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[Dariustwinblade]

Yeah like I said Joker can't die similar to Liara. No one calls that favourtism.

[tomas2377]

If we go by all the characters that should die in my opinion. Hm... All Cerberus collaborators (including Joker and Chakwas) and the entire Cerberus crew of the SR-2 (including Jacob and Miranda).

Oh wait. You can kill all of them already except for Joker.

Modifié par tomas2377, 03 juillet 2011 - 06:45 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Dariustwinblade wrote...

Yeah like I said Joker can't die similar to Liara. No one calls that favourtism.

Joker's got Bro armor... or something.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I concure with Saphra. Its clear Bioware doesn't really know where they want to go with Liara's character but they want so badly for her to be important that they force things in. Let's look at Liara's character in ME1 she's an archeologist who's nice and not obsessed with Shepard. Then in ME2 she's had a complete personality change, she's now talking about ripping people's flesh off of them and is now obsessed with finding the Shadow Brooker... something she was never interested in ME1 and she's a Shepard stalker.

Then when we get to ME3 smart money's on her not being the SB anymore because she wouldn't realistically have the time to be a squadmate if she was which as Saphra pointed out when she is no longer the SB in ME3 it will make everything she did in the last game meaningless. Then she'll probably be trying to do something else that she never showed any intrest in doing as a character before.

She's the most inconsistent character in the franchise. Every other character from ME1 to ME2 were the same characters they always were with a few signs of development and change she on the other hand is a complete 180 and I don't want that being shoved down my throat in ME3.

[Asari_Party]

InviolateNK wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

InviolateNK wrote...

Maybe she's still a shadow broker as her part-time job?

Shadow Broker, Archeologist, and Commando? She keeps herself busy, I'll give her that much.

Whatever works to be with Shepard...

and why isn't she with Shepard in ME2?

[RhiPanda]

It makes sense that Joker can't die you kinda need him to fly your ship ¬_¬

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Saphra you clearly don't understand Liara's character at all. She couldn't possibly have done something in ME2 that was consistent with her character in ME1. The only way she could have stayed relevent is to have her become someone else entirely.

The notion that she could have contributed to ME2 without having her personality completely rewritten and ignore who she was before. Silly Saphra, having Liara doing things that would have made sense for her to do.... Ha I laugh at you.

[kumquats]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Repearized Miranda wrote...

It pobably just means that she is VERY significant to the franchise...

No, she is not significant to the franchise. Bioware certainly wants her to be though. Unfortunately for them they're too incompetent to make her important. Redemption and LOTSB were just clumsy attempts to keep her relevant in ME2. ME3 will probably not be any different. If she's around Shepard as a squaddie in ME3 then it is safe to say the whole Shadow Broker thing didn't work out...  meaning it was entirely pointless.

The DLC was cleary desinged to make her ready for ME3. The funny thing is, she even says, why the whole SB thing will be important for ME3.
It's not a big mystery.

[Asari_Party]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

The notion that she could have contributed to ME2 without having her personality completely rewritten and ignore who she was before. Silly Saphra, having Liara doing things that would have made sense for her to do.... Ha I laugh at you.

You're obviously not very good at reading people if you think her personality was completely rewritten. The old Liara was still there, but under other layers that had to be peeled away. Very good writing, imo.

[Ophiskc]

This thread is pointless and open for people who just like to bash Liara

[ZeroCrewX]

Saphra Deden wrote...

It's so unfortunate because finding a way to keep Liara relevant in ME2, and in-character, even if she wasn't a squadmate, should have been easy.

You'd think she'd be on Ilos trying to learn more about the Reapers/Protheans, or somewhere else in the galaxy trying to uncover more knowledge about the Reapers. As Dean pointed out she could have discovered the Prothean/Collector connection (personally though I hate this connection), or the Reaper derelict, or anything really. Or like the VS she could have had a fairly brief appearance where she made some speculations about future discoveries that don't pay off until ME3.

How did Bioware mess it up this bad?

And yes, her character IS really inconsistent. Obsessed with revenge, unable to cope with loss? In ME1 she killed her own mother and had no trouble rationalizing it and overcoming it.

Oh dear god...
Don't take this the wrong way but... that was so weak I am frankly amazed...

Your points come off as only one thing : general dissapointment at ME2's story arc and possibly a lot for ME1's story arc or parts of those...

Let's think for a bit. 
Okay she saves shepard's body, and then wonders :

"mmm What now? Oh I know I'll just forget someone sacrificed himself to secure my safety and go off to some uncharted planet and study rocks instead of trying to honor his death or avenge him. Yeah, I'll just be completely pointless to anything that is going on in the galaxy and go do nothing for 2 years then SUDDENTLY decide to go on a suicide mission even though I've been under a rock for so long. That's great writing BioWare now this makes sense!"
Are you kidding me? R O F L at your preconceptions (spelling, who cares)

Also, you don't like the connection? So? Humor me, what would YOU have written instead? That the collectors were actually pijaks who are serving the reapers now? 


Obsessed with revenge? I'm sure if someone killed your best friend for example you would definately be able to move on just fine.

People cant get this. Liara has been through A LOT for the past 2.5 or so years. When a person is put through a lot of psychological and physical pain they change, they become hardened, or little crybabies that hide. Why are people complaining about this? Seriously for crying out loud, if Bioware decided to 100% have her alive in ME3 it means SHE IS VERY IMPORTANT TO THE PLOT. 

DEAL. WITH. IT.

p.s Excuse my choice of words, I can't control the monster inside me. 

[ZeroCrewX]

Saphra Deden wrote...

kumquats wrote...

The DLC was cleary desinged to make her ready for ME3. The funny thing is, she even says, why the whole SB thing will be important for ME3.
It's not a big mystery.

Seeing as she is a squaddie in ME3 I really doubt we'll see any real pay-off. As ISpeakTheTruth said Bioware never really has any idea what they want to do with her.

OMG If he said so then it HAS to be true!

Pathetic.

[ZeroCrewX]

On a side note. Her writing is very complex, unfortunately *some* people are so shallow they can't understand that. Shame really..

[ISpeakTheTruth]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

On a side note. Her writing is very complex, unfortunately *some* people are so shallow they can't understand that. Shame really..

Yep you're right a character that was never vengeful, hates violence, was obssesed with Prothean, never showed any intrest in the SB or any skill at being an information brooker the next game is now now a vengance obsessed person who wants to skin people. is now obsessed with the SB never once mentions the Protheans and maybe mentions the Reapers once  I can see how I was mistaken she's clearly the same character she was in ME1 and wasn't completely not written horribly.

She just like the VS got an amazing complex story given to them that I'm too shallow to see.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Roxy12 wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

The notion that she could have contributed to ME2 without having her personality completely rewritten and ignore who she was before. Silly Saphra, having Liara doing things that would have made sense for her to do.... Ha I laugh at you.

You're obviously not very good at reading people if you think her personality was completely rewritten. The old Liara was still there, but under other layers that had to be peeled away. Very good writing, imo.

Wow really? So if Garrus was suddenly in ME3 to become a peace loving hippy who thinks that violence is never the answer and that the law always works than clearly he hasn't been rewritten as a character I just can't read between the lines.

It sounds like no matter what Bioware did with Liara's character you would have seen it as good writting how someone can look at a character that had every aspect of what made her who she was and turn it upside down is not a rewritten is beyond me.

[kumquats]

Saphra Deden wrote...

kumquats wrote...

The DLC was cleary desinged to make her ready for ME3. The funny thing is, she even says, why the whole SB thing will be important for ME3.
It's not a big mystery.

Seeing as she is a squaddie in ME3 I really doubt we'll see any real pay-off. As ISpeakTheTruth said Bioware never really has any idea what they want to do with her.

The Protheans where in the main plot of ME1 and ME2.
You doubt that the Protheans will have any significance for the main plot in ME3, after Liara tells you "perhaps the Protheans had other plans"?

Foreshadowing anyone.