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[Haexpane]

Whatever the future is of DA, I'm not buying it.

With DAO and DAO A I was on board for the long haul, would have bought every DA game like I buy every NCAA football game for the next 15 years. Instead, DA2 killed off any and all interest I had in the series.

Goodbye, it was fun while it lasted. I even played the DA Flash game.

[Pzykozis]

Haexpane wrote...

Whatever the future is of DA, I'm not buying it.

Goodbye, it was fun while it lasted. I even played the DA Flash game.

Why are you wasting your time on a product or series of products you aren't going to continue to purchase?

Honest question, really.

[BomimoDK]

Haexpane wrote...

Whatever the future is of DA, I'm not buying it.

With DAO and DAO A I was on board for the long haul, would have bought every DA game like I buy every NCAA football game for the next 15 years. Instead, DA2 killed off any and all interest I had in the series.

Goodbye, it was fun while it lasted. I even played the DA Flash game.

You shouldn't really throw away your money on a sports franchise that hasn't changed at all since 98...

[Haexpane]

Pzykozis wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Whatever the future is of DA, I'm not buying it.

Goodbye, it was fun while it lasted. I even played the DA Flash game.

Why are you wasting your time on a product or series of products you aren't going to continue to purchase?

Honest question, really.

Yes, that's how it works, you immediately stop being interested in 5-10 games because the series has changed?  Did Star Trek Enterprise cause you to stop talking about Star Trek?  

Of course not.  Did Star Trek Enterprise cause you to stop watching it?  Of course it did.

My feelings for ME1, DAO, are not changed.  I love those games.  I am free to continue to talk about the DA series as a registered owner of the games I believe.

[Haexpane]

BomimoDK wrote...
 You shouldn't really throw away your money on a sports franchise that hasn't changed at all since 98...

You are either not from the USA or have never played Madden since 1998, or are just repeating someone else's opinion.

[BomimoDK]

Haexpane wrote...

BomimoDK wrote...
 You shouldn't really throw away your money on a sports franchise that hasn't changed at all since 98...

You are either not from the USA or have never played Madden since 1998, or are just repeating someone else's opinion.

If seeing a prettied up re-release for what it is is "not from USA" Then i guess i'm a "damn foreigner" Whatcha gonna do? Vote republican?

Just the fact that it IS a sports franchise implies little to no change. Even the CoD players get more new stuff each release than you get with these games. What's worse is you'd burn money on what COULD have been a yearly DLC for a game released every 5 years. I'd rather buy the next DA/ME game than get ripped off by the anual wallet-rape model. The real problem with annual releases is that innovations grind to a standstill since it's forced within a timeframe. Just look at Kirkwall. Then look at the Miami Dolphins. Then back to Kirkwall. I played TiF 2005 and now have Fifa 11 [sp]YARRRGH[/sp] I've got NFL 07 for the PS2. What should compel me to get next years version? Did the field meassurements change? Did they stop mistaking American handball for actual Football? no?

I don't buy sportsfranchises annually since they can only change so much... That is why i call them out for not changing since 98. Because they really haven't. The underlying mathematics and stat-tracking is still the same.

But you're just gonna fall back on ye olde "troll" right?

Haexpane wrote...

Pzykozis wrote...

Haexpane wrote...

Whatever the future is of DA, I'm not buying it.

Goodbye, it was fun while it lasted. I even played the DA Flash game.

Why are you wasting your time on a product or series of products you aren't going to continue to purchase?

Honest question, really.

Yes,
that's how it works, you immediately stop being interested in 5-10
games because the series has changed?  Did Star Trek Enterprise cause
you to stop talking about Star Trek?  

Of course not.  Did Star Trek Enterprise cause you to stop watching it?  Of course it did.

My
feelings for ME1, DAO, are not changed.  I love those games.  I am free
to continue to talk about the DA series as a registered owner of the
games I believe.

Stating one thing, then getting called
out and attempting to call out by 180'ing on your former words so as to
make the other guy seem like the shallow and butthurt one... You're
right-wing allright. Can you punch Glenn Beck in the face next time you guys meet?

Modifié par BomimoDK, 03 août 2011 - 09:26 .

[John Epler]

Let's get this back on topic, please. This isn't Off-Topic. So let's bring it back to the future of DA2.

[dragonfire100]

JohnEpler wrote...

Let's get this back on topic, please. This isn't Off-Topic. So let's bring it back to the future of DA2.

What i been trying to tell them thank you for telling that maby they will get the message to a moderrater.

[Realmzmaster]

Whatever the future of the DA franchise I will be along for the ride. I have been with Bioware since Baldur's Gate.I like the journey so far. A few bumps in the road, but the ride has been fairly smooth. I expect to see better games, dlc and expansions. Will Bioware hit a home run every time? Probably not, but their misses are better than many companies so called hits.

So sign me up I am here for the long haul.

[BomimoDK]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Whatever the future of the DA franchise I will be along for the ride. I have been with Bioware since Baldur's Gate.I like the journey so far. A few bumps in the road, but the ride has been fairly smooth. I expect to see better games, dlc and expansions. Will Bioware hit a home run every time? Probably not, but their misses are better than many companies so called hits.

So sign me up I am here for the long haul.

is there room for one more on there? The positives more than out-weigh the negatives. I can't wait to see what DA3 will be. Legacy made it obvious that we're back on the right track. So i'm sticking around!

Modifié par BomimoDK, 03 août 2011 - 10:33 .

[Auroras]

Haexpane wrote...

Whatever the future is of DA, I'm not buying it.

With DAO and DAO A I was on board for the long haul, would have bought every DA game like I buy every NCAA football game for the next 15 years. Instead, DA2 killed off any and all interest I had in the series.

Goodbye, it was fun while it lasted. I even played the DA Flash game.

That seems a little... extreme.

[Auroras]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Whatever the future of the DA franchise I will be along for the ride. I have been with Bioware since Baldur's Gate.I like the journey so far. A few bumps in the road, but the ride has been fairly smooth. I expect to see better games, dlc and expansions. Will Bioware hit a home run every time? Probably not, but their misses are better than many companies so called hits.

So sign me up I am here for the long haul.

I concur.

[Gunderic]

How about a DLC that's actually good?

[WelshWarden]

With the EA earnings report for H1/FY2011 we can actually see how the changes the company made for DA2 effected overall sales and therefore profits and future titles.

From a press release last year we know that DA:O had sold 3.2 million copies worldwide as of August 2010 and from the most recent earnings call we know that DA2 has only done 2 million.

This loss of sales will cause, I believe one of two marked shifts in the final Dragon Age game. It will either push even farther away from the DA:O model and style of gameplay as the heads at EA decide that the game was still to hardcore to capture the COD market but still have to deal with two previous games of word of moth being that it's not really a game for them. Or, and I hope that this is what will happen, it will swing back to DA:O as that has proven that the market is larger for it and DA2 can be written off by bioware as an expiriment that went horribly, horribly wrong.

[Seeker Sparrow]

Given the rumours regarding the 'Exalted March' on Mr Gaider's t-shirt I might add a thought on what that might be.

There is speculation that it's going to be an expansion, now whether it does end up like that or it's just a DLC I still think the name implies something to do with the Chantry's intervention in the ongoing (or upcoming) conflict with the mages and the templars and how the Seekers were created in order to impose order in Thedas.

Like other posters have said this would have to be strictly post-campaign and picks straight off from Act 3's ending in order to establish Hawke's 'disappearance' and his continued role in the story. I think as well involving the 3 aforementioned parties I could see the Tevinter Magisters being included especially in a 'war against magic' not to mention Fenris reveals some interesting information from his time spent there.

The Qunari are also another faction that could well play another part in the story of Hawke, given Act 2's ending. DA2 as well as greatly re-establishing the Qunari as a race have also introduced Qunari mages (Sarebaas?) into the foray too so again I feel magic and the Qun should play some sort of role in further content.

Modifié par Sparrow Hawke, 04 août 2011 - 04:59 .

[Stanley Woo]

I respect those who didn't like DA2 and use it as a rationale for no longer being a fan of the franchise or no longer being "in it for the long haul." Really, if just one game can change a person's mind that easily and severely, it'll probably be just as easy to change it back again. That's my hope for those fans who were disappointed--that they find our future Dragon Age products worthy of coming back for.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Realmzmaster wrote...

Whatever the future of the DA franchise I will be along for the ride. I have been with Bioware since Baldur's Gate.I like the journey so far. A few bumps in the road, but the ride has been fairly smooth. I expect to see better games, dlc and expansions. Will Bioware hit a home run every time? Probably not, but their misses are better than many companies so called hits.

So sign me up I am here for the long haul.

Same here.

I think every media company will have a title that is not good either commerically, critically or both. Right now the question is has Bioware learned from it's mistakes and/or precieved mistakes by some of the fans? 

Modifié par Cyberstrike nTo, 04 août 2011 - 10:47 .

[billy the squid]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I respect those who didn't like DA2 and use it as a rationale for no longer being a fan of the franchise or no longer being "in it for the long haul." Really, if just one game can change a person's mind that easily and severely, it'll probably be just as easy to change it back again. That's my hope for those fans who were disappointed--that they find our future Dragon Age products worthy of coming back for.

I don't find it so much one game, rather is the design indicativeof future itnerations, and to some extent what degree will DA3 reflect its predecessors either DAO or DA2. As Mr. Laidlaw has said, you, as developers, do not envision doing a 180 again, which is fine as DAO had problems which needed to be adressed, and I don't belive that anyone who has criticised DA2 has asked for a carbon copy of DAO, despite what some people will claim.

Yet, my inital question was and still is, why was a 180 done in the first place and what direction will the franchise take. Personally, DA2 was poor to rather mediocre and found myself to be largely indifferent to events and characters. Have I, or those who have been disappointed, forsaken the franchise? No, I don't think so, but other developers have provided products more akin to my tastes. So the franchise becomes more of a wait and see after release and what other competitors have in the works, rather than a given buy or pre order.

Modifié par billy the squid, 04 août 2011 - 10:45 .

[Ariella]

billy the squid wrote...

Yet, my inital question was and still is, why was a 180 done in the first place and what direction will the franchise take. Personally, DA2 was poor to rather mediocre and found myself to be largely indifferent to events and characters. Have I, or those who have been disappointed, forsaken the franchise? No, I don't think so, but other developers have provided products more akin to my tastes. So the franchise becomes more of a wait and see after release and what other competitors have in the works, rather than a given buy or pre order.

The 180 (as you call it; I didn't find it so) was done in the first place in response to criticisms of DAO both on the forum level and on the level of professional reviews. A word that was tossed around a lot in regard to DAO was generic. Another was "rip off". In the latter occurance, you can name your favorite author as many were thrown about: Martin, Jordan, and Tolkien being the most common. So the 180 was done, at least partially, in an attempt to give the franchise a more unique stamp. As I recall, the majority of the prelease promotional interviews etc mention this at least once.

You mention competitors, but really, does anyone else but Bioware do party and story based, custom player character games anymore? Bethesda's known for its open world, CD Project Red has only produced two games in the RPG genre, while story based have no customization and no party. Obsidian hasn't managed a successful IP yet (which is unfortunate because I kinda liked AP). Larian is coming out with a Divinity 3 last I heard, but again, not really party based and as much as I liked Divinity 2, the Slayer/DK didn't really have much in the way of personality and the story was very linear. I have no idea what if anything Lionhead has in store for Fable, but again, not exactly party based and very limited in the PC's personality. Radon's, of course, developing in the Dark Eye universe, but I could see where some people would find the statistical bent of the DE system a little much. Which pretty much leaves Bioware in a niche all by itself. So unless one is really broad in the concept of competition, no one else in the market does what Bioware does: deep story with a living cast of characters and a player character is customizable and personable.

But YMMV

[Seeker Sparrow]

Stanley Woo wrote...

I respect those who didn't like DA2 and use it as a rationale for no longer being a fan of the franchise or no longer being "in it for the long haul." Really, if just one game can change a person's mind that easily and severely, it'll probably be just as easy to change it back again. That's my hope for those fans who were disappointed--that they find our future Dragon Age products worthy of coming back for.

Very true.

I like to think it's not just about the end product or goal, it's the journey it took to get you there.