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[lampak]

During the Best Served Cold quest in the third act you go to the Wounded Coast where you fight a couple blood mages.

During my playthrough, it was Carver they imprisoned. After the fight, I was told he was kept by blood magic and only blood magic could free him. As I was a mage with blood magic specialisation, Hawk simply cut his palm and released his brother (probably the only time when being a blood mage had some impact on the plot).

How would this play out if I hadn't been a blood mage? 

[Herr Uhl]

There is another repentant mage that does it.

I did not know that a BM Hawke could do it, nice detail.

[happy_daiz]

Yes, Alain does the blood magic to release whoever was kidnapped.

Dang it, I always think I should play as a blood mage, but I never do. I might try it, just to see something different, but that's a lot of hours to spend on just one thing. :-)

Edit: I usually play as a force mage/spiritual healer.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 21 juin 2011 - 08:05 .

[TheAwesomologist]

Weird. My bloodmages never got that option. Alain always does it.

PS: That quest still makes no sense.

[happy_daiz]

Hmmm...something seems amiss.

[Knal1991]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

Weird. My bloodmages never got that option. Alain always does it.

PS: That quest still makes no sense.

this...

[Torax]

What makes no sense is why Grace is suddenly so angry and thrask is perfectly willing to kidnap the sibling/friend of the champion even if you are supporting the mages and are against Meredith the entire time. But that is up there with not even being able to tell Elthina about Patrice in Act 1. You know to like inform her early about her schemes and what not? Nope not an option. But I can most certainly talk to the Arishok a couple times about things that concern the Qunari and so on...

[MinotaurWarrior]

The blood mage thing has already been explained, but I'm curious, how do they determine who gets kidnapped? I recall Verric getting kidnapped for me.

[Torax]

1st Sibling, 2nd Love Interest, 3rd the Highest approval of the companions you did not take with you meet up with Grace & Crew.


Edit:  Pirates > Ninjas

Modifié par Torax, 22 juin 2011 - 12:36 .

[Dave of Canada]

Torax wrote...

What makes no sense is why Grace is suddenly so angry

It isn't suddenly, talk with her in Act 2. She says that the Templar wouldn't have hunted her down unless they knew she was still alive, that somebody must've told them. She then begins to rationalize it was you and begins to crack. By Act 3, she's a crazy mage / abomination.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 22 juin 2011 - 06:53 .

[TEWR]

what makes no sense is why Decimus attacks a potential Mage Hawke or a Hawke that could be traveling with Anders/Bethany/Merrill in the party (any of them).


He attacks immediately. Whether you're pro-mage or pro-templar doesn't matter.


If Hawke had said "I'm turning you in to the templars", then I could understand him attacking Hawke

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 22 juin 2011 - 01:06 .

[MinotaurWarrior]

Thanks for the info everyone!

[themonty72]

TheAwesomologist wrote...

Weird. My bloodmages never got that option. Alain always does it.

PS: That quest still makes no sense.

 
 
My blood mage never got that option either .

[highcastle]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

what makes no sense is why Decimus attacks a potential Mage Hawke or a Hawke that could be traveling with Anders/Bethany/Merrill in the party (any of them).


He attacks immediately. Whether you're pro-mage or pro-templar doesn't matter.


If Hawke had said "I'm turning you in to the templars", then I could understand him attacking Hawke

We don't know Decimus much beyond that original scene. Perhaps he was paranoid, scared, angry, etc. There are a number of emotions he could have been feeling right then that made him lash out. My feeling is that he had his back against the wall, determined to go down fighting, and didn't much care who he took down with him. Was it logical? No. But then, we don't know Decimus well enough to determine whether he's a logic-driven sort of guy. Plenty of people aren't.

I mean, of all the things to call foul on, this isn't one of them.

[Bigdoser]

lampak wrote...

During the Best Served Cold quest in the third act you go to the Wounded Coast where you fight a couple blood mages.

During my playthrough, it was Carver they imprisoned. After the fight, I was told he was kept by blood magic and only blood magic could free him. As I was a mage with blood magic specialisation, Hawk simply cut his palm and released his brother (probably the only time when being a blood mage had some impact on the plot).

How would this play out if I hadn't been a blood mage? 

How did you get that option? I never got it with my blood mage.

[lampak]

Oh, or maybe I was wrong who it actually was? I was sure it was Hawk. There was no option as such, simply Thask (or whoever) said about the blood magic imprisoning Carver and immediately, without any extra dialogue, someone used it to free him. Maybe I wasn't looking carefully and it was that Alain indeed. I'm not sure if I don't have a save before the fight so maybe I will be able to check it.

EDIT: I've checked it - it was this other blood mage indeed. I'm sorry for the misleading.

Modifié par lampak, 23 juin 2011 - 09:49 .

[maxernst]

I don't really understand why Thrask would be on board with kidnapping one of Hawke's loved ones to begin with. Depending on your past interactions with him, he might well have cause to view you as sympathetic to the mages. Why would he assume you will side with Meredith, and that he therefore needs a hostage to protect the group from you? And why take the hostage at all, if you're planning to attack Hawke? Yes, I realize that's crazy Grace, not Thrask, but the mages at the warehouse also attack Hawke instead of threatening to kill his sister if he reveals their plans to anyone. What's the point of taking her hostage?

Honestly, if they had approached me peacefully about helping them take down Meredith and restructuring the Templar/Mage relationship into a less adversarial one, my Hawke would probably have been fine with that. It's certainly a much more sensible plan than what Anders does.  It's just another case of everybody in Kirkwall being crazy or stupid, I guess.

Modifié par maxernst, 27 juin 2011 - 07:44 .

[ReallyRue]

I don't think I got that option with blood mage Hawke.

Come to think of it, Merrill should be able to do it too if she's in the party.

[Big I]

I don't get that blood mage option for my blood mage Hawke. Also, completely agree that the quest makes no sense.

You can:
- save Keran from blood mages and keep him in the templars
- provide Thrask with some closure for his dead daughter
- help Grace and the Starkhaven apostates escape
- be a notorious apostate mage
- be publicly antagonistic towards Meredith

And they still kidnap someone close to you and try to kill you. WTH?

[blaidfiste]

I think Thrask turns on Hawke because he's forced into completing the "On the loose" quest for Meredith. Grace blamed me for her getting caught saying that I didn't give her any money. Her stupid kill the champion rant was just the demon starting to take over. No biggie, just die and give me my helm

[dragonflight288]

I think Grace was in love with Decimus...and like someone said earlier, we don't know enough about Decimus to know what he was thinking/feeling when he attacked Hawke from the get-go. Then, in Act 2 as she begins to rationalize to herself that Hawke told the templars she was still alive, she slowly begins to crack and gradually hates the Champion and opens herself up to the demon. By Act 3 comes around, she's long past reasoning with.

At least, that's how I like to think of it.

[TEWR]

highcastle wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

what makes no sense is why Decimus attacks a potential Mage Hawke or a Hawke that could be traveling with Anders/Bethany/Merrill in the party (any of them).


He attacks immediately. Whether you're pro-mage or pro-templar doesn't matter.


If Hawke had said "I'm turning you in to the templars", then I could understand him attacking Hawke

We don't know Decimus much beyond that original scene. Perhaps he was paranoid, scared, angry, etc. There are a number of emotions he could have been feeling right then that made him lash out. My feeling is that he had his back against the wall, determined to go down fighting, and didn't much care who he took down with him. Was it logical? No. But then, we don't know Decimus well enough to determine whether he's a logic-driven sort of guy. Plenty of people aren't.

I mean, of all the things to call foul on, this isn't one of them.

It is to me. Decimus thinks his assumptions are correct and doesn't care that Grace not only said Hawke wasn't a Templar, but that he was endangering all of their lives. He doesn't even care that there are potentially 3 mages there.