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[Serpieri Nei]

Wouldn't say it sucks - its mediocre.

[Perles75]

Simple explanation: you didn't like the game.

In my case I am not doing a second playthrough because I'm waiting for few DLCs, but I'm also one of those people that feels bored by the combats.

P.S.: I also didn't bring myself to finish my second playthrough in Origins...

[Perles75]

Redcoat wrote...

You know, I could talk at length about how DA2's gameplay made me completely unwilling to replay it, but I have to say that I lay a fair share of the blame on the protagonist, Hawke.

Now without getting into spoiler territory I can't give specific examples, but Hawke is just an abject failure at everything. Bad things happen to him, bad things happen around him, and he is completely unable to stop (or even mitigate the effects of) any of it. Even his attempt to purchase a stake in a mine ends in dismal failure. I can just imagine Hawke trying to bake a batch of cookies for his friends and he ends up burning down the house. Hawke just has no power or ability to do anything to affect his world, despite his supposed position as the Champion of Kirkwall. The game's tagline should have been "Rise to Powerlessness." The best I can say of Hawke is that he is a loveable moron. Or that he looks like a more badass version of Commander Riker (If Hawke had been voiced by Jonathan Frakes I probably would have enjoyed DA2 a fair bit more!)

Compare to this the Warden. He retrieves the Grey Warden treaties that lets him build an army. He saves Redcliffe and its arl. He can cure a pack of werewolves suffering from an age-old curse. He finds the Urn of Sacred Ashes. He ends the political deadlock in Orzammar. He saves Ferelden from the Blight in the end, and after that he stops another darkspawn invasion in Amaranthine. Or compare Hawke to Commander Shepard. Shepard stops Saren from destroying Eden Prime. He can help the Rachni rebuild their race. He can save the colony on Feros. He stops Saren from bringing back the Reapers, and has the option to save the Citadel Council. In the second game he stops a plague on Omega, he saves Garrus from being killed by mercenaries,  he can save Tali from being exiled, he can stop a serial killer that's been on the loose for centuries, and in the end he can destroy the Collectors without a single casualty on his part. Both the Warden and Shepard are examples of protagonists that actively accomplish their goals and have a fair chance of actually succeeding in their endeavours. Hawke, on the other hand, just fails over and over.

Now some people might say that this is more realistic in a sense, and while this may be true, this is a game we're talking about. Players generally do not like playing as someone who is passive and ineffectual. I felt no motivation to make another playthrough of DA2 because I would look at the various quests and think, "What's the point of doing this? It's just going to end in failure no matter what I do." So unless the future DLC allows Hawke to actually accomplish something and succeed, there's very little chance I'll be touching DA2 in the near future.

I liked my Hawke! Perhaps even a bit more than my warden, I find him more well-rounded.

[Perles75]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

To this date I have completed 12 playthroughs of origins, currently on my 4th playthrough of the Witcher. With a heavily modded DA2, I still can't get past ACT 1 on a second playthrough there is just no incentive to continue playing it but I haven't given up Hope. I leave it to the modders to keep trying to make it a better game.

Act I is really the killer... I cannot imagine what it must be doing it again!

[Icy Magebane]

You know, I don't even like DA2 all that much, but I've played through it at least 3-4 times... now maybe that's because I didn't have any other games to play, or maybe it's because I started on mage and then had more fun with warrior. The game and story were so much more enjoyable the second time that it warranted a third run... Plus, even if there's very little in the way of actual decision-making, there's still enough content that I thought I'd find some variables to play with... and there are some if you go looking. All in all, the game is above average and that's more than I can say for many of the games I've played.

There's also the matter of patches that fixed things like Isabela and Sebastian's notorious friendship glitches... once that got fixed, I went ahead and played games where I actually recruited Isabela rather than skipping her, etc, etc, etc... Now, this newest patch I won't touch. No way am I letting them screw over the Reaver class and introduce new glitches at the same time... lol. But that second patch (or first on console I think), implemented fixes that justified a run or two.

Also, with save editing, you can do some fun things like have a Qunari party member, respec everybody with new classes and talents, or create new weapons more suited to your tastes. That alone gives the game more replay value than most.

On the other hand, if you don't like something, I don't see how you can grow to like it. You either enjoy it or you don't IMO.

[Gunderic]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Because we all know that Dragon Age 2 sucks.

If there was ever a truth needed to be said, this is it.

[Lord of Mu]

I started on a third play through before I had to take a break. I didn't really play through DA:O, ME 1 or 2 more than twice so I can't say it's because Dragon Age 2 is bad.

I find a game to be more fun when I don't know exactly what is going to happen. Given time I'm sure I'll play through another two or three times.

[erynnar]

I thought Act 3 was the killer. Act 1 was meh. Act 2 was the best. Overall the game was...meh. It wasn't horrible, nor great. It is splendid in its mediocrity.

I had more fun on my second playthrough, as a mage, despite plot holes so big I could drive a herd of mammoths pulling 747s though them.

[TEWR]

erynnar wrote...

I thought Act 3 was the killer. Act 1 was meh. Act 2 was the best. Overall the game was...meh. It wasn't horrible, nor great. It is splendid in its mediocrity.

I had more fun on my second playthrough, as a mage, despite plot holes so big I could drive a herd of mammoths pulling 747s though them.

You would think the Arishok would get pissed off upon finding out that Hawke is a mage once Hawke meets up with him at the end.


All of the Acts should've tied into the Mage-Templar storyline using what each story was about. We should've met Meredith early on in Act 1 (preferably after the Tarohne quest) and get to know her, then in Act 2 we talk to her and see that she secretly likes how the Qunari leash their mages, which would've helped to establish a certain item making her kookoo for cocoa puffs.

And Act 3 shouldn't have tried to be such a gray area when it wasn't one.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 02 juillet 2011 - 06:18 .

[HTTP 404]

one playthrough already feels very repetitive. Re rinsed maps and same locations.

[Persephone]

Gunderic wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Because we all know that Dragon Age 2 sucks.

If there was ever a truth needed to be said, this is it.

We ALL "know" that???

Oh please, speak for yourself!!!

[AngryFrozenWater]

Persephone wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Because we all know that Dragon Age 2 sucks.

If there was ever a truth needed to be said, this is it.

We ALL "know" that???
Oh please, speak for yourself!!!

Agreed. There are lots of things I don't like about this game, but I've finished it 4 times. If it didn't have any good properties at all then I wouldn't be doing a 5th.

And to be back on topic. I have a hard time finishing that 5th playthrough. There's always something else to do. I simply cannot force myself to finish it. In DA:O I didn't have that problem. Stop playing that game had to do with the arrival of DA2 and another game which name cannot be uttered on these forums.

[erynnar]

Persephone wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Because we all know that Dragon Age 2 sucks.

If there was ever a truth needed to be said, this is it.

We ALL "know" that???

Oh please, speak for yourself!!!

I may not have loved DA2, but I said it was meh. So I am with Miss P. Not everyone thought it sucked.

[Mr.House]

Gunderic wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Because we all know that Dragon Age 2 sucks.

If there was ever a truth needed to be said, this is it.

That's your opinion, not a fact. Stop acting like DA2 sucks is a fact.

[AllThatJazz]

I don't think DA2 sucked. I thought it fell apart in Act 3, but I enjoyed it otherwise. I haven't even started a second playthrough, however. Not because it was awful but because I hardly ever replay games really soon after I finish them. I like to take some time, forget about it a bit, play other things, then go back to it a while later. Partly because the experience will seem 'newer' to me, and also because in these days of dlc the chances are there'll be some new content available that can change the next playthrough even more. Though I'd gladly forego dlc for a really meaty expansion pack.

[Complistic]

Probably because each play through feels like playing the game 3 times. When you start a second play through you're really starting your fourth.

[Darth Death]

Kirkwall is a trap & the cake is a lie. That's all it took for me not to continue.

[blaidfiste]

The DAO savegame editor got me interested again. I still dread the Deep Roads boss and the night time waves of enemies.

[erynnar]

Darth Death wrote...

Kirkwall is a trap & the cake is a lie. That's all it took for me not to continue.

Dammit! The cake is always a lie! Maybe that's why the OP can't do another playthrough?

Seriously, try it with the new patch and a new class, and if you still can't, set it aside. Wait awhile.

[TuringPoint]

Berkilak wrote...

 Virtually every RPG I play, I start my second playthrough immediately after finishing the game the first time. Usually on a higher difficulty, picking different paths, etc. But for Dragon Age 2, I just don't have that drive.

I want to play through it again. It definitely isn't a game that deserves the flak it has gotten. I loved it. And to top it off, I'm a BioWare achievement hunter - ME, ME2 and DA:O are all maxed out.

There's just something missing... something that isn't motivating me.

Has anyone else experienced this?

Actually, yes.

I played it when it first came out, and never got around to a second playthrough in earnest until recently.  Now I'm wanting to play the game again, maybe multiple times, and finish the achievements.

The night time waves of enemies I still think are really stupid, but I'm willing to wade through them.  

Bioware also underplayed the things they changed - much as I like DA2 the way it is, it is very different from its predecessor in all but setting.  

Modifié par Alocormin, 02 juillet 2011 - 11:59 .

[Dasher1010]

Ringo12 wrote...

I moved on. Witcher 2 is great Deus Ex is out next month then Skyrim. Much better rpg's being released this year.

This. DA2 was the most disappointing RPG since FFXIII.

[csfteeeer]

Dasher1010 wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

I moved on. Witcher 2 is great Deus Ex is out next month then Skyrim. Much better rpg's being released this year.

This. DA2 was the most disappointing RPG since FFXIII.

Really?

i wouldn't say it was THAT bad...

[Sabriana]

When a great idea takes a nose-dive, it is startling. It was for me. Sorry, but DA2 was that to me, personally. I loved the story. I loved the idea. It had so much potential. I do hope that this was a learning experience.

Yes, I am saying it this way. Personally, it's my way, or the highway. I will not spend my money on things I do not want. Bioware is certainly within its right to do whatever they want to do. I am also within my right to spend my money the way I want to.

Whatever they plan, if it isn't what I want, I will go elsewhere. That is neither a threat, nor whining. I wish them luck and success. Go BioTeam.

But I will not buy anything that does not suit my taste, wishes, or desires. It's give and take. If a product is not what I want, I'll pass.