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[Ryuu814]

I was speaking to a few friends about their infiltrator playthroughs on insanity and all of them took the Widow on the Collector Ship. I'll admit I did first and it was fun for awhile. But soon I grew weary of the whole 1 shot 1 kill side of things and the lack of ammo and switched over to the Viper. Love that Rifle with Cryo ammo

After said friends found out, they claimed that not using the Widow was "wrong" and trying out the AR/shotgun (using multiple saves of course, I can't pick both...XD) was "sacralige" to the Infiltrator's

...is that really true? XD

[Alamar2078]

There are plenty of folks that only take Shotguns and specialize in close quarters combat instead of Sniping.

The Locust or Tempest ; Geth Shotty or Evi ; Viper ; Carnifex makes for a viscious loadout.

[Sailears]

Taboo!!??

It's quite the opposite here. Lots of people have had fun with different AR or shotgun builds, and in fact it's the monotonous cloak sniping that is considered boring.
See the stickied thread of guides at the top of this forum for examples of different successful and enjoyable infiltrator gameplay.

[Ryuu814]

Indeed I had a look at them just now.
Guess it was just my friends closed opinion XDD.
I myself proabably go for the Assault Rifle, unless I can think of a decent reason to use a Locus/Shotgun combination.
Thanks guys

[mcsupersport]

Locust with an Eviscerator is a very dangerous Infiltrator. You can get off two shots with the Eviscerator, and if they are head shots they can kill a standard mook, allowing you to ambush 2 guys at time in stealth. Hugely fun, and your friends are ignorant about the class. It is Infiltrator not sniper....hehehehehehehee.

[Bogsnot1]

Your friend dont know what they are talking about. CQC Infilitrator with shotgun is great fun. You can even do some serious damage with the good ol' elbow of death while cloaked.
Get used to CQC, and then do a playthrough where you ony use the Carnifex. Challenging, but fun.

[lazuli]

If you have the Firepower Pack, I would go so far as to say that taking the Widow on an Infiltrator is the taboo choice. The GPS and Tactical Cloak were made for each other.

The Widow is still a fine choice, but I've come to associate the sniping with the Soldier class now.

[F00lishG]

who cares what they think. Tactical Cloak+Shotgun can be a one shot one kill, and far more exciting.

[Bozorgmehr]

Yeah, Infiltrators are about stealth - not sniping. Cloak is great with all weapons, not just sniper rifles.

[Kronner]

I really can't tell which one I like better - Widow Assassin or GPS + Viper Shadow. Both are pretty cool though.

[Locutus_of_BORG]

A lot of truth in this thread. There's no taboos with Infltrators. As long as your build can hit hard & fast, then evade, you're golden.

I've gone Widow, Shotgun - now I've got a Mattock Infiltrator planned, once I finish my current PT.

Modifié par Locutus_of_BORG, 22 juin 2011 - 01:49 .

[termokanden]

Hardly taboo around here. A lot of the time you'll be told that you should use shotguns. That's great, and so is the Widow, no problems there. I don't see why you would want assault rifles, but it's still hardly taboo.

lazuli wrote...

The Widow is still a fine choice, but I've come to associate the sniping with the Soldier class now.

I don't get why people don't consider infiltrators good snipers. I know that's not directly what you're saying, but we're getting close to the good old "soldiers are better snipers, therefore you should not snipe with an infiltrator" argument. I don't agree with any part of that by the way.

Modifié par termokanden, 22 juin 2011 - 04:57 .

[goofyomnivore]

I like the VIper much better it can abuse time dilation pretty badly. (your cooldowns still cooldown at real time), so a 6s cooldown with heavy sniping is really more like 3s.

I suggest getting Reave or Energy Drain as a bonus power, for a CQC(shotgun) Infiltrator, so you can cut into your down time. Cloak is awesome, but stops your regeneration . I like to play as fast as possible, but if you don't like it or feel you don't need it, grab neural shock, and enjoy it's insane cooldown(3s).

[ryoldschool]

termokanden wrote...

Hardly taboo around here. A lot of the time you'll be told that you should use shotguns. That's great, and so is the Widow, no problems there. I don't see why you would want assault rifles, but it's still hardly taboo.

lazuli wrote...

The Widow is still a fine choice, but I've come to associate the sniping with the Soldier class now.

I don't get why people don't consider infiltrators good snipers. I know that's not directly what you're saying, but we're getting close to the good old "soldiers are better snipers, therefore you should not snipe with an infiltrator" argument. I don't agree with any part of that by the way.

I like playing soldier because you deal so much damage with the widow, so it was a bit of a letdown sniping when I went back to the infiltrator.  So for me the damage difference is why.  AR rush( heightened ) gives like a 140% damage increase, and that takes into account the weapon damage upgrades as well.

This is from Eric ****nan from the sticky Gameplay thread:

"Distance multipliers for weapons multiply the final damage number with all upgrades. For example, shotguns will do x2 of the total damage at a very close range.

Adrenaline Rush behaves the same way; it multiplies the total weapon damage you do."

I'm not sure what the best multiplier for an infiltrator is, but recall 70% damage bonus while cloaked -- please somebody who knows post please.

[lazuli]

termokanden wrote...

lazuli wrote...

The Widow is still a fine choice, but I've come to associate the sniping with the Soldier class now.

I don't get why people don't consider infiltrators good snipers. I know that's not directly what you're saying, but we're getting close to the good old "soldiers are better snipers, therefore you should not snipe with an infiltrator" argument. I don't agree with any part of that by the way.

Back when I was not confident enough with ME2's combat to use Tactical Cloak as anything other than a damage boost, I would have been better off playing as a Soldier.  Now that I am confident enough with ME2's combat to perform effectively with a shotgun Infiltrator, I don't find a Widow Infiltrator as entertaining.

It wasn't my intention to speak for anyone other than myself.  On a side note, I'm looking forward to being able to use a shotgun right from the start of the game in ME3.

[termokanden]

No I understand you speak for yourself. I'm just seeing a lot of posts saying either that soldiers are better snipers or that you should pick shotguns for an infiltrator. I can't help but think sniping with infiltrators is becoming a bit underrated and shotguns overrated (who doesn't recommend shotguns for everything these days? I've been doing it myself as well!).

I also have played shotgun infiltrator so I think I know where you're coming from. It's can be quite risky and fun. It was the part about associating sniping with soldiers I was talking about.

Ryoldschool: Yes, Heightened AR is indeed incredibly powerful with the Widow. However, that doesn't mean you need it ot get something out of the Widow. Not at all in fact. If you happen to like sniping and enjoy the infiltrator's abilities more, that's 100% viable and very powerful. That's what I'm trying to say here. Don't underestimate one class because another has an overpowered ability.

Modifié par termokanden, 23 juin 2011 - 04:55 .

[ryoldschool]

@Termokanden. I think what you are saying is correct. Yes, its probably since most players have gone on to other games and are not on the forums anymore that the folks that are still here try shotguns to make it interesting to them.

[Ryuu814]

Hmm...Thanks for the input guys, really appriciated.
I found myself being really Aggressive with my playing style lately. In most games I'm never really in the back doing sniping anymore. I'm more in the mid-close range section more often than not, having to switch to my Locust SMG because enemies get close...

I even found myself not using my Tactical Cloak often...which is starting to worry me a bit...the main reason I went as a Infiltrator was the "Stealth" it brought. I thoroughly enjoyed using CQC, shotgun's and what-not while I was playing Metal Gear Solid 4. But I found myself playing other games like Dragon Age, Gears, Even online shooters like Bad Company and Reach I'm at least five times more aggressive than I was before for some reason...and yet I'm not sure as to what caused this...
I'm starting to worry that a Vanguard might be more up my alley... or the basic Soldier class...
ugh I'm one werid induvidual >_>

Modifié par Ryuu814, 24 juin 2011 - 08:27 .

[Sailears]

^Ha, good stuff.

Infiltrator is probably the most versatile class in terms of balancing movement with weapons and powers (with the only downside being the few powers to choose from) so you can really do what you like with it.

[Ryuu814]

oh I know, Infiltrators are really versitile when it comes to movement, weapons and powers and what-not.
It's just worrying that the main point of an infiltrator is to well...Infiltrate XD and yet I feel like rushing in with a shotgun but I've always been the passive, hanging back to get a mental picture of the battle and what-not...XD

Edit: God I feel like a newb/noob XDD

Modifié par Ryuu814, 24 juin 2011 - 09:02 .

[Sailears]

Yeah it's like playing a vanguard at the rear, feels weird.

[Ryuu814]

Indeed.
All the time while I'm sniping, I get this urge in the back of my head. Just to jump into the thick of it. That little human impulse in the mind just telling you to do it...to just go back to my old RPG routes of a close combatant (warrior) and have some fun XD

It's the same on Dragon Age II on an rouge playthrough using Hawke as an Archer, I just get this...Urge to switch to Aveline or some two handed warrior follower and deal death XDD

Modifié par Ryuu814, 24 juin 2011 - 09:18 .

[mcsupersport]

If you feel like rushing in with a shotgun do so, just cloak and go. You will find it fun and effective moving cloaked to shotgun some mook to the back of the head.

[Homebound]

infiltrator + claymore = asari commando. for all u RPers out there.

Modifié par Hellbound555, 25 juin 2011 - 02:13 .

[Ryuu814]

Hellbound555 wrote...

infiltrator + claymore = asari commando. for all u RPers out there.

You can't have a claymore as an infiltrator?  Short of using a console command on the PC but this is for a 360 playthrough.

The main reason I've bene tempted as a vanguard was the fact that the Vanguards charge complements the close quarters by increasing shields (technically Biotic Barrier).
I've always been settled on using an Assalt Rifle with the Infiltrator to further enhance it's ranged cababilities rather than try to cover all the bases and I'd rather try to keep to one single type of play-style rather than all over the place XD other games don't let you have the same sort of...leeway XD like MMO's  :3

EDIT: On a whim a friend who helps me with these sort of...problems told me to use his Vanguard on part of the suicide Mission. He had the Tempest, Evisorator (he never explained why he wasn't using the GPS or picked the claymore...) and had the Avenger with him as well. (Again asked him why not the Mattock, said something about it not being full-auto)..

so much fun XD. I had no idea that being CQC was so much fun...Sniping was fun, it was always good to see them fail (human or AI) to get you only to fail miserably :3 but there was something about returning to CQC that I enjoyed XD.
I'll figure it out one way or another :3

Modifié par Ryuu814, 25 juin 2011 - 09:27 .