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I wonder if this DLC will damage your save game. In DAO if you play DLC with post-game save it will erase your final choices and basically screw the savegame to hell. What about this time? And info from developers?


DA2 had final choices?

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I'm going to say one more thing in this thread, and I hope, hope, hope the devs will listen. What this game needs is an Act 4. The last three years. Clear up some issues, see where Hawke is hiding or living and bring Hawke into what I think would be a better cliffhanger than what we have.

Look, the world is about to go to war. But Act 3 rushed everything. Create an expansion, DLC, whatever, but you need a closing Act that settles everything in a more satisfying way and sets up the big things that have been foreshadowed .

And I like the game. But I'm just being constructive and real, here. I think a lot of people here would welcome that. I have faith in you, Bioware. The great thing about the age we live in is that you can make a solid game a great game by just creating a little more content. Will some fans complain about having to spend money? Probably. But people always complain about money. But from an artistic direction, and not a monetary one, you have a chance to redeem yourself. One more Act.


I'm always somewhat confused by this idea that Act 3 was rushed or didn't properly end things. It did. It just didn't end them in a manner that saw Hawke in a particularly good place. Yes, Hawke's missing. But the story arc that began in the prologue neatly concluded at the end of Act 3. That doesn't mean Hawke won't come back, but if he does, it will be for the start of a new story arc. Most likely the world-going-to-war thing. And that's the basis for a whole new game, not just a DLC.

The mages versus templars conflict was set up from the very beginning of DA2 with the introduction of Wesley. The entire game was building towards that final confrontation. That some people didn't see it coming doesn't mean the final conflict was rushed. And just because Hawke didn't save the day or defeat every enemy around him doesn't mean his story didn't conclude. It did. He's just not an ultimate hero. He's a (fairly) normal citizen swept up in events greater than his control. And part of doing a story like that means the ending can't be a glorious defeat of all opposing forces. That's just not the sort of game DA2 is.

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highcastle wrote...

nedpepper wrote...

I'm going to say one more thing in this thread, and I hope, hope, hope the devs will listen. What this game needs is an Act 4. The last three years. Clear up some issues, see where Hawke is hiding or living and bring Hawke into what I think would be a better cliffhanger than what we have.

Look, the world is about to go to war. But Act 3 rushed everything. Create an expansion, DLC, whatever, but you need a closing Act that settles everything in a more satisfying way and sets up the big things that have been foreshadowed .

And I like the game. But I'm just being constructive and real, here. I think a lot of people here would welcome that. I have faith in you, Bioware. The great thing about the age we live in is that you can make a solid game a great game by just creating a little more content. Will some fans complain about having to spend money? Probably. But people always complain about money. But from an artistic direction, and not a monetary one, you have a chance to redeem yourself. One more Act.


I'm always somewhat confused by this idea that Act 3 was rushed or didn't properly end things. It did. It just didn't end them in a manner that saw Hawke in a particularly good place. Yes, Hawke's missing. But the story arc that began in the prologue neatly concluded at the end of Act 3. That doesn't mean Hawke won't come back, but if he does, it will be for the start of a new story arc. Most likely the world-going-to-war thing. And that's the basis for a whole new game, not just a DLC.

The mages versus templars conflict was set up from the very beginning of DA2 with the introduction of Wesley. The entire game was building towards that final confrontation. That some people didn't see it coming doesn't mean the final conflict was rushed. And just because Hawke didn't save the day or defeat every enemy around him doesn't mean his story didn't conclude. It did. He's just not an ultimate hero. He's a (fairly) normal citizen swept up in events greater than his control. And part of doing a story like that means the ending can't be a glorious defeat of all opposing forces. That's just not the sort of game DA2 is.


Actually, Cassandra interrogates Varric three years after the Second Battle of Kikrwall (aka, the final battle), so we haven't gotten our ten years next. An expansion will likely cover the final three years before Hawke's dissapearance.

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Actually, Cassandra interrogates Varric three years after the Second Battle of Kikrwall (aka, the final battle), so we haven't gotten our ten years next. An expansion will likely cover the final three years before Hawke's dissapearance.


I don't think any of the DLC will explore the three years before Hawke's disappearance, since he either sided with the templars or the mages. If Hawke sided with the templars, he's not really in a position to off on adventures, and if he'd sided with the mages, he might be in a similiar position to the mages based on what Anders kept saying (at least to an apostate Hawke). I'm guessing the DLC will focus on the seven years before Hawke make the final decision in Kirkwall.

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"Defeat an ancient evil" Wow, they're going all out on originality.


Better than insane mages and insane templars who are possessed by the spirit of idiocy. If the DLC is has a proactive Hawke, some meaningful choices, and a focus on the storyline, I'll be pleased.


Perhaps this ancient evil is an insane mage who, through an unfathomably evil magical experiment, manages to grow an equally insane templar out of his torso and then they fight for control for ages until you come around and get the exciting and morally difficult choice on which one of them you want to kill. And then the survivor turns on you anyway. And then a very confused stripper bursts out of a cake.


So the cake wasn't a lie, then?

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'fool me once, shame on you'

i'd very much like for this dlc to be good, but i'm not holding my breath, and i'm not buying it at release, if at all. forget the whole DA2 fiasco, i'm still bitter about witch hunt.


^That.

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DarthChicken wrote...

Mike Laidlaw stated here: http://social.biowar...ex/7697770&lf=8 that the next dlc is called Legacy and can be activated at any point in the story.
Thoughts? I for one would've prefered dlc that takes place after the end of DAII.
Update: Stolen from Sengoku no Maou's post on pg. 7


Well, that just cut my excitement down a notch. Dammit.

I'll still buy it though >.<.

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Is it "just" a story DLC? Bioware stated that it listened to feedback & applied it. So...does this go for this DLC's story exclusively or will this DLC include some core fixes/options etc. that a Patch cannot cover?


Do you have any idea the amount of insane rage there would be on these forums if they included "core fixes/options" in a DLC that you were required to buy as an extra? There is no way they are doing that. 1) I doubt BW is that douchey, and 2) they haven't done that in the past that I'm aware of.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 02 juillet 2011 - 02:32 .


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If it can be played at any time during the game then forget about it. If they don't continue Hawke's story with DLC and if (s)he won't be back in the 3rd game as the main protagonist then I am going to strangle kittens.

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I'm done with DA2, I'll wait and watch, if it turns out to be really different than the game and it's cheap, maybe I'll buy it. (And I bought all dao DLC, even the gifts! and all me1-me2 DLC, even armor packs, I'm really a great bioware fan but this game really sucks).
Now I'm focusing on the witcher, that is really a better game than da2 and waiting for more news about me3.

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I wonder if this DLC will damage your save game. In DAO if you play DLC with post-game save it will erase your final choices and basically screw the savegame to hell. What about this time? And info from developers?


DA2 had final choices?


Nope, not even a little.

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LobselVith8 wrote...

harkness72 wrote...

Actually, Cassandra interrogates Varric three years after the Second Battle of Kikrwall (aka, the final battle), so we haven't gotten our ten years next. An expansion will likely cover the final three years before Hawke's dissapearance.


I don't think any of the DLC will explore the three years before Hawke's disappearance, since he either sided with the templars or the mages. If Hawke sided with the templars, he's not really in a position to off on adventures, and if he'd sided with the mages, he might be in a similiar position to the mages based on what Anders kept saying (at least to an apostate Hawke). I'm guessing the DLC will focus on the seven years before Hawke make the final decision in Kirkwall.


On the contrary. If Hawke went with the templars, the expansion could cover their years as Viscount, and it could cover their flight from Kirkwall if they sided with the mages.

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harkness72 wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

harkness72 wrote...

Actually, Cassandra interrogates Varric three years after the Second Battle of Kikrwall (aka, the final battle), so we haven't gotten our ten years next. An expansion will likely cover the final three years before Hawke's dissapearance.


I don't think any of the DLC will explore the three years before Hawke's disappearance, since he either sided with the templars or the mages. If Hawke sided with the templars, he's not really in a position to off on adventures, and if he'd sided with the mages, he might be in a similiar position to the mages based on what Anders kept saying (at least to an apostate Hawke). I'm guessing the DLC will focus on the seven years before Hawke make the final decision in Kirkwall.


On the contrary. If Hawke went with the templars, the expansion could cover their years as Viscount, and it could cover their flight from Kirkwall if they sided with the mages.


I simply don't think the developers will expend the energy to create a DLC that has two divergent narratives, and I don't know if Bioware could handle politics (as the new Viscount) or a revolutionary leader (as the hero of the mages).

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At this point I don't trust Bioware too much with Dragon Age II to buy the DLC or any that has been released after launch I want reviews from what I am seeing so far its just a dungeon crawl no story that you seriously want us to pay for and I have a feeling the dungeons which some call innovation will just be the same old

I am going to wait till someone plays it and we get some reviews and no I don't trust any paid reviews

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Pious_Augustus wrote...

At this point I don't trust Bioware too much with Dragon Age II to buy the DLC or any that has been released after launch I want reviews from what I am seeing so far its just a dungeon crawl no story that you seriously want us to pay for and I have a feeling the dungeons which some call innovation will just be the same old

I am going to wait till someone plays it and we get some reviews and no I don't trust any paid reviews


Considering that Bioware has always glamorized their products, I don't blame you. DA2 however, just hit a little harder on people. Even John Epler wants people to buy wisely and not blindly. That way they know Dragon Age is going in the right direction.

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I'm excited about Legacy. I think/hope Bioware see the importance of getting this right, so I'm very hopeful.

Patch 1.3 seem to fix many of my gripes with DA2. If the Legacy reviews are positive, and the upcoming DAO patch fixes the remaining story flag errors, I hope to play Legacy as part of a proper DA2 playthrough. I'll even get the weapons pack as a bonus.

Modifié par Thelzar, 03 juillet 2011 - 08:51 .


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Noob question, because I couldn't be asked to read through the whole thread:
Is the DLC RE-USING existing textures/zones or is it new stuff?

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johnxtreeme wrote...

Noob question, because I couldn't be asked to read through the whole thread:
Is the DLC RE-USING existing textures/zones or is it new stuff?


That is a good question

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Another (noob?) questions. Those three mysterious (?) pictures ( http://dragonage.wik...ctures_released ) from Legacy?

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Yes, they are concept artwork for Legacy.

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My prediction?
Hail, locusts, and the blood of our firstborn come next.

Seriously though, I'll wait it out and buy the ultimate edition of the game on ea/steam as that should probably be cheaper than buying all the dlc combined. Either that, or I just won't buy them. Leaning towards the latter option at this point. I just don't get my kicks from DA2 right now so I'm kinda doubting it will go past the DLC will go past the heights of average at this point.

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LobselVith8 wrote...

harkness72 wrote...

Actually, Cassandra interrogates Varric three years after the Second Battle of Kikrwall (aka, the final battle), so we haven't gotten our ten years next. An expansion will likely cover the final three years before Hawke's dissapearance.


I don't think any of the DLC will explore the three years before Hawke's disappearance, since he either sided with the templars or the mages. If Hawke sided with the templars, he's not really in a position to off on adventures, and if he'd sided with the mages, he might be in a similiar position to the mages based on what Anders kept saying (at least to an apostate Hawke). I'm guessing the DLC will focus on the seven years before Hawke make the final decision in Kirkwall.


Clever writing could very easily put them into the same position despite the choice.  All we know is that Hawke disappeared whether he was viscount or leader of a mage rebellion. The world is falling apart and I doubt either role was clear and cut.  Include the years as mage leader or viscount in a prologue voice over and go from there.  Then, just include parts of the plot with the decision you made.  That way, you're aren't creating two separate expansions.  But I maintain that an Act 4 would benifit this game.  I wouldn't even be opposed to some "play anytime in the game" DLC that can clean up some of the story issues with Act 3 and really focus on why mages turn bad in Kirkwall.  And to get your money's worth....how about a Morrigan appearance?  Or Wynne? (Both give more reasonable arguments for mages than Orsino or Anders.) There are ways to improve the game with DLC or an expansion.  I think, at this point, they NEED to.

And again, I like the game.  But Act 3 was a mess.  Act 2 was brilliant, and that's where the tiny disappointment comes from.  I've defended DA 2 since it's release, mainly to combat the reactionaries.  But after months and a couple playthroughs, I've had time to think on it and try and look at it objectively and refine my feelings on the game.

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I NEED

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INFORMATION ABOUT LEGACY!!

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I hope we don't have to wait till Comicon to hear more info on this DLC. If it's taking this long to make, it can be assumed lots of effort has been put in.

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I NEED

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INFORMATION ABOUT LEGACY!!

seems ser-pounce-alot demands it lol:wizard:

but really the dlc seems intresting but I wont buy it until I see whatever one else says about it :huh:

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LobselVith8 wrote...

harkness72 wrote...

Actually, Cassandra interrogates Varric three years after the Second Battle of Kikrwall (aka, the final battle), so we haven't gotten our ten years next. An expansion will likely cover the final three years before Hawke's dissapearance.


I don't think any of the DLC will explore the three years before Hawke's disappearance, since he either sided with the templars or the mages. If Hawke sided with the templars, he's not really in a position to off on adventures, and if he'd sided with the mages, he might be in a similiar position to the mages based on what Anders kept saying (at least to an apostate Hawke). I'm guessing the DLC will focus on the seven years before Hawke make the final decision in Kirkwall.


Maybe the final DLC will include some code that wipes all your DA2 saves?.Image IPB