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[Phaelducan]

There were much better options available for the mini-boss then another Pride Demon fight. Still, the DLC looks pretty cool. Wardens > Circle/Chantry imo.

@Ronin2006 We get it, you don't like the game. Any reason you feel the need to remind everyone on a daily basis?

[Firefeng]

I'm gonna buy DA2 DLC just to spite all the cynical b*stards that never cease their incessant complaints on these forums, not because I actually want to play it, as it's so terribly uncool to want things that don't suck or that aren't from 10+ years ago.

Yeah, I'm totally scene like that. I just need to make sure my monthly budget from working at a privately owned coffee shop of only cool, artistically talented individuals allows for $10 purchases in between all the stylized horn-rimmed glasses and pre-worn, undersized female pants I have to purchase to properly convey my individuality and my hatred of consumerism--except when it contributes to my image--to the rest of the world.

Editor's note: Purchasing the DLC on day 1 is only partially due to my desire to spite those who spew nothing but annoyingly tired vitriol day in and day out on these forums.

Mostly, I just want more Dragon Age, and I don't really care if some here choose to remain in their caves, entranced by their own shadows created by a dying sun occasionally shining in through the entrance.

[Phaelducan]

Firefeng.... my new favorite poster, replacing Rinpoche.

That signature is epic.

[leeboi2]

Ronin2006 wrote...

leeboi2 wrote...

Ronin2006 wrote...

@Corto 81: Yeah, Hawke's douchebag face really puts me off too. Too bad it's at the very start of the trailer. It's not good to start off on the back foot like that when you're trying to impress people. (I have never seen someone so punchable in my life) Tip for Bioware: If you want AWESOME, then kill off Hawke, and then I'll respect your awesome.

I'm trying to keep an open mind on this DLC, and judge it for what it's worth, and think that it looks like there might be some good things in this DLC, but I don't think anything can save this abortion of a game. (Especially because the combat and art style are still broken)

@Filament & Cyberarmy: I must've missed the name of the pillar. What was it? It's disappointing to hear that they've continued the tradition of uninspired names that was started with DA2.

I mean honestly, Kirkwall, Darktown, Lowtown and Hightown? Who came up with THAT? Just take a step back and think about it, were you trying to put the most basic names possible into the game? Are you incapable of dreaming up something that seems at least something like inspired fantasy writing? Was your imagination damaged or something? It's just mind numbingly poor writing. Go back to coming up with names like "Thedas", "Ferelden", "Lothering" and "Orlais." These names are inspired. DA2's are a joke.

Kirkwall was already created by DA:O, Darktown because it's dark, lowtown because it's low, and hightown because it's high, what would you name them? And you do know Thedas= The Dragon Age Setting...Not exactly super original, learn to research.

Wow.... just wow....

http://bgeiger.net/p..._serialNumber=2

Darktown comes from the fact that it's dark???  Lowtown because it's low???  Hightown because it's high???  Thanks!  I didn't know that at all!!!  Thank you Captain Simpleton.  I couldn't have worked that one out if it weren't for your pearls of wisdom.  Have you taken the MENSA test?  Because I think you should.

For a second, I thought that a bland name couldn't be excused because it shows an utter lack of imagination, but you showed me the way.

Oh, and what would I name them?  Hmmm... I dunno, maybe something not unbelievably bland and generic maybe?  I think I'd start there.  I'd also engage my imagination for a second.  I know that's a little tough from somebody who sees no faults in names like "Darktown" and "Hightown", but trust me, that's where I'd begin.

I still don't see you coming out with better names...

[Phaelducan]

Yeah.... because clearly calling a part of a city by a geographical descriptor is bogus, lame, and pathetic. I'm looking at YOU, Upper West Side.

[Xewaka]

Firefeng wrote...
I'm gonna buy DA2 DLC just to spite all the cynical b*stards that never cease their incessant complaints on these forums, not because I actually want to play it, as it's so terribly uncool to want things that don't suck or that aren't from 10+ years ago.

Actually, it's cool for people to want to play things that don't suck. That's the reason of DA 2 harsh treatment. People expected better.

[TEWR]

Oh, and what would I name them? Hmmm... I dunno, maybe something not unbelievably bland and generic maybe? I think I'd start there. I'd also engage my imagination for a second. I know that's a little tough from somebody who sees no faults in names like "Darktown" and "Hightown", but trust me, that's where I'd begin.

It's one thing to say you would use your imagination for better names. It's another to actually give a few examples of you using your imagination for better names.


I actually wasn't bothered by DA2's area names for Kirkwall, but I guess it's okay for some people to think that they could've been better named.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 08 juillet 2011 - 03:33 .

[Ronin2006]

Firefeng wrote...

Yeah, I'm totally scene like that. I just need to make sure my monthly budget from working at a privately owned coffee shop of only cool, artistically talented individuals allows for $10 purchases in between all the stylized horn-rimmed glasses and pre-worn, undersized female pants I have to purchase to properly convey my individuality and my hatred of consumerism--except when it contributes to my image--to the rest of the world.

 WTF

[chelseaisthepan]

Trailer

Hm, having a Twitter is actually useful..

[Ronin2006]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Oh, and what would I name them? Hmmm... I dunno, maybe something not unbelievably bland and generic maybe? I think I'd start there. I'd also engage my imagination for a second. I know that's a little tough from somebody who sees no faults in names like "Darktown" and "Hightown", but trust me, that's where I'd begin.

It's one thing to say you would use your imagination for better names. It's another to actually give a few examples of you using your imagination for better names.


I actually wasn't bothered by DA2's area names for Kirkwall, but I guess it's okay for some people to think that they could've been better named.

If you can't see the problem with names like "Darktown" and "Hightown" in a fantasy game compared to say "Lothering" or "Ferelden" then there is no point arguing with you on the point.  The difference should be obvious, and I think you know where I'm coming from, but you want to argue with me anyway.  I respect your view, but think it was still incredibly lazy to come up with something so bland, uninspired and simple.  It's as though we couldn't just have the actual character of the destinations speak for themselves and give them a name reflecting the history and backstory of the place, rather than the immediacy of their current state.  It would be like officially calling the most impoverished suburb in your city/town "Poorpeopleville"

And you know what?  The whole "you come up with something better" argument is ridiculous.  I was about to put something down for it, but decided that it wouldn't actually prove my point. You know why?  It's not my job to write an RPG.  I don't pretend to know how to write an RPG, and I don't make any money doing it.  Bioware is a (supposed) RPG developer.  They make their money from making RPGs, and by charging their money for it, there is a certain level of expertise and ability expected of them, a level of ability that was not met in DA2.

If I take a suit to a tailor to be mended and he does a bad job and the stitching falls apart, should the argument be that I should have done a better job and done it myself?  That to criticise the tailor that I must possess the capacity to stitch better than they can?  No.  That tailor should have done a better job because that was his profession and specialisation, not mine.  I don't need to be able to mend fabrics to be able to criticise a bad job by someone else who is charging money for his services in that profession.

Modifié par Ronin2006, 08 juillet 2011 - 04:39 .

[Ronin2006]

Xewaka wrote...

Firefeng wrote...
I'm gonna buy DA2 DLC just to spite all the cynical b*stards that never cease their incessant complaints on these forums, not because I actually want to play it, as it's so terribly uncool to want things that don't suck or that aren't from 10+ years ago.

Actually, it's cool for people to want to play things that don't suck. That's the reason of DA 2 harsh treatment. People expected better.

People really shouldn't get so personally upset by the negativity on these forums.  Much of it is a critical reaction to the perceived successes and failings of DA2 and is a useful (though not complete) reflection of the feelings of the most important people to Bioware, their customers.

The best thing for Bioware is for customers to provide honest feedback, rather than feel like they should only try to say positive things, especially if this doesn't reflect how they really feel about it.  If it's negative and harsh, then so be it, as long as it's genuine.  Likewise, it works the same for people who are positive.  Don't feel constrained in saying how much you like the game, be prepared to argue in it's favour, and (in this particular case) be prepared for some people to tell you that they feel otherwise, just don't take it all personally.

I make no apologies for the brutally honest way I have attacked this game.  I think it was a failure on multiple levels, and a complete discgrace to gaming history.  I shouldn't feel like I need to pretend that I liked it just because somebody is going to get upset by it, because believe me, if you love the game, I'm certainly not offended in the slightest.

It's never been about being "cool" for me.  If it was, I wouldn't be gaming, I'd be outside exercising, clubbing and having sex.

[Demon Velsper]

How do I feel about paying an additional $10 for fixes that should have been in the game from the start? Why I don't feel anything at all, I honestly don't care for anything DA2.

[DiabolicallyRandom]

Having now seen the trailer, It looks pretty awesome. But still not going to pay 10 dollars for it. They should be giving it to everyone for free as an apology. With that sort of good will gesture, I *might* be willing to buy whatever they release after.

And any comments to the tune of "they can't do something like that", I call hogwash. Valve has done it for years. CDProject did it with Enhanced Edition of Witcher, and Witcher 2 DLC.

[Elhanan]

Ronin2006 wrote...

... If I take a suit to a tailor to be mended and he does a bad job and the stitching falls apart, should the argument be that I should have done a better job and done it myself?  That to criticise the tailor that I must possess the capacity to stitch better than they can?  No.  That tailor should have done a better job because that was his profession and specialisation, not mine.  I don't need to be able to mend fabrics to be able to criticise a bad job by someone else who is charging money for his services in that profession.

Which leads to the oildest joke I know:

Ancient tailor: Euripedes?

Ancient customer: Eumenides?



Personally, I prefer names that are easier to recall in a setting. While I like unusual and unique names, and have such a moniker myself, I dislike the desire to grab a glossary to read the inside or back covers of books when trying to appraise the worth of the story found within the novel. Dune is both an example and an exception: loved the first book; never felt the urge to read any others in the series.

Looking forward to seeing what Legacy has to offer....

[Ronin2006]

Elhanan wrote...

Which leads to the oildest joke I know:

Ancient tailor: Euripedes?

Ancient customer: Eumenides?

Sometimes a joke is so bad, that you just can't help but laugh.  Then that joke ends up being full of win.

[MassFrost]

Looks interesting, though I'm still going to pass on it. It wouldn't exactly send the best message to voice my disappointment over DA2 and then go spend more money on it.

Ah well, ME3 and Skyrim are getting closer by the day.

[BanditGR]

Xetmkiak wrote...

Ancient Evil trapped by magical seal in the lowest level of a Tower-Prison, watched by an old Order...

Am I the only one who thinks that this sounds similar to The Watcher's Keep add-in to Baldur's Gate II

I hope that Hawke won't accidentally release that Evil and have to fix his mistake.
But so far sounds good. 

You are not the only one. To be perfectly honest, I thought that I was the only one that remembered the Watcher's Keep after watching the Legacy trailer.

[TEWR]

If you can't see the problem with names like "Darktown" and "Hightown" in a fantasy game compared to say "Lothering" or "Ferelden" then there is no point arguing with you on the point.  The difference should be obvious, and I think you know where I'm coming from, but you want to argue with me anyway.  I respect your view, but think it was still incredibly lazy to come up with something so bland, uninspired and simple.  It's as though we couldn't just have the actual character of the destinations speak for themselves and give them a name reflecting the history and backstory of the place, rather than the immediacy of their current state.  It would be like officially calling the most impoverished suburb in your city/town "Poorpeopleville"

Lothering is the name of a village. Ferelden is the name of a country. Lowtown and Hightown are names of sections of a city. That should be painfully obvious to even a monkey as to why they were named such.

You have sections of a city named such in real life: Downtown, East side, etc..

This is no different than any of them, so to take issue with that is foolish I think.

And you know what?  The whole "you come up with something better" argument is ridiculous.  I was about to put something down for it, but decided that it wouldn't actually prove my point. You know why?  It's not my job to write an RPG.  I don't pretend to know how to write an RPG, and I don't make any money doing it.  Bioware is a (supposed) RPG developer.  They make their money from making RPGs, and by charging their money for it, there is a certain level of expertise and ability expected of them, a level of ability that was not met in DA2.

If you're not going to come up with something better, then don't say that you could come up with something better. Just say "Bioware should've come up with something better. I don't know what I would name it though."

If I take a suit to a tailor to be mended and he does a bad job and the stitching falls apart, should the argument be that I should have done a better job and done it myself?  That to criticise the tailor that I must possess the capacity to stitch better than they can?  No.  That tailor should have done a better job because that was his profession and specialisation, not mine.  I don't need to be able to mend fabrics to be able to criticise a bad job by someone else who is charging money for his services in that profession.

yet just a little while ago you said "I could've come up with something better" but are now saying you don't want to come up with something better.

Either say you can come up with something better and do so, or say immediately that Bioware should've come up with something better than what they did and don't say anything about your own imagination being better.

They may be somewhat similar notes but they convey vastly different messages.

[Sirsmirkalot]

I'm kind of disappointed that they're sticking to Hawk for this DLC. The faster that Bioware moves away from this failed protagonist and his story, the better.

Modifié par Sirsmirkalot, 08 juillet 2011 - 05:05 .

[Kimberly Shaw]

The trailer looks okay, not bad.

$10 seems pricey to me..but I'll wait for you all to pass judgement on if it's worth it or not.

While I loved DA:O and was luke warm to DA2 (it's not terrible), the DLC for DA:O was pretty poorly done and not worth the time/money. Warden's Keep was probably the best and it infuriated me because we couldn't actually go INTO the keep after the content was finished, just hang out outside with a family of losers in the snow.

Given the record with DLC, I'm passing until you all tell me it's great. Didn't DLC used to cost $5 or $7?

[TheJediSaint]

More Dragon Age? Yes please.

[Beerfish]

Xewaka wrote...

Firefeng wrote...
I'm gonna buy DA2 DLC just to spite all the cynical b*stards that never cease their incessant complaints on these forums, not because I actually want to play it, as it's so terribly uncool to want things that don't suck or that aren't from 10+ years ago.

Actually, it's cool for people to want to play things that don't suck. That's the reason of DA 2 harsh treatment. People expected better.

Here is the problem, define suck for me please.  If two things suck in a game does the whole game suck?
If one thing sucks in a game does the game suck?  Can a game partially suck?  Can a game suck and still have some good things? 

As for your last sentence, sorry I can't at all agree with you there.  A good number of people (not all but many) that have blasted DA2 from pillar to post did not expect good things, ignored the good things of DA2 and found that they could seize on a rare occasion where BioWare fans were not totally happy with a bioware game to open up with both barrells.

[Ronin2006]

@ The Ethereal Writer Redux

(Sorry, didn't want to begin with a huge quote)

Okay, let's backtrack just a second.  My initial response of "I would start by using my imagination" wasn't an assertion by me that I could do something better (though I honestly think I could).   It was instead, an offhanded sarcastic retort to a ridiculous comment where a poster, in a response to my criticisms of the names in DA2, posed the question of "well, what would you do then?", or something to that effect.  I never actually said what you seem to be implying I said, specifically that I can (and will) come up with better, and it's never been the crux of my point, so whether I do is irrelevant.  I was criticising Bioware's lack of imagination with a sarcastic comment that they should've started with their imaginations first, and if I were in that position, that's what I would've done.  (notice the difference there?)  I don't know why you inferred it as you did, but perhaps you should've read the comment in context for what it is.  Anyway, as text is apparently a bad medium for displaying sarcasm, I won't delve any further into this point, but I think you know what I'm saying here.

I thought I was being quite clear in my tone and points, and was overall quite consistent with them, but according to you, I was not.  I hope this clarifies that for you.

Also, I understand your point about how "Darktown" etc. are names of parts of Kirkwall, and I fully understand this, know this, and have made my comments knowing this.  (As much as I felt I had to turn my brain off to play DA2, I did still have it engaged enough to take note of this)  The difference is however, that names you have provided like "Downtown", and "Upper East Side"  are colloquialisms for locations within cities and not official names themselves.  They aren't creative or interesting names, they are just names that people use for convenience.  Most large cities have a city centre, but if the official name of that city centre was something like "City Central", then the mayor (or whoever came up with the name) would rightly be accused of lacking imagination.  These locations actually do, in real life, generally possess a more colourful real name.

Now, whether DA2's names were meant to be colloquialisms or not, the fact remains that it took virtually no creativity to come up with them, and in something that is meant to be in a fantasy setting (and thus not filled with modern day colloquialisms), such terms are immersion breaking for some, and reak of laziness and poor writing in my opinion.  Maybe I'm a sucker for traditional old school fantasy cliche, but something that sounds like an old ancient language is much more immersive in a fantasy game, than something that sounds like a bunch of modern Americanisms.

Edit:  I just noticed you actually had full quotation marks and state that I literally wrote "I could've done something better."  If you can find this, then please point this out to me, as somebody has been hacking in to my account.

Further edit:  Also, whether you take my criticisms of the game personally or not, I would just like to say that I respect the fact that your arguments are against my criticisms themselves, and not just very poorly thought out slander on my character.  I appreciate that you consider and think before you respond, and react to the post in question, and not the poster behind it.  People who dislike my posts, take note.

Modifié par Ronin2006, 08 juillet 2011 - 06:08 .

[TheMakoMaster]

i want to like this dlc, but i can't. i'm so tired of hawke and cannot develop any care for him or his story...unlike the interest i had/have in the warden and commander shepard.

[leeboi2]

Ronin2006 wrote...

@ The Ethereal Writer Redux

(Sorry, didn't want to begin with a huge quote)

Okay, let's backtrack just a second.  My initial response of "I would start by using my imagination" wasn't an assertion by me that I could do something better (though I honestly think I could).   It was instead, an offhanded sarcastic retort to a ridiculous comment where a poster, in a response to my criticisms of the names in DA2, posed the question of "well, what would you do then?", or something to that effect.  I never actually said what you seem to be implying I said, specifically that I can (and will) come up with better, and it's never been the crux of my point, so whether I do is irrelevant.  I was criticising Bioware's lack of imagination with a sarcastic comment that they should've started with their imaginations first, and if I were in that position, that's what I would've done.  (notice the difference there?)  I don't know why you inferred it as you did, but perhaps you should've read the comment in context for what it is.  Anyway, as text is apparently a bad medium for displaying sarcasm, I won't delve any further into this point, but I think you know what I'm saying here.

I thought I was being quite clear in my tone and points, and was overall quite consistent with them, but according to you, I was not.  I hope this clarifies that for you.

Also, I understand your point about how "Darktown" etc. are names of parts of Kirkwall, and I fully understand this, know this, and have made my comments knowing this.  (As much as I felt I had to turn my brain off to play DA2, I did still have it engaged enough to take note of this)  The difference is however, that names you have provided like "Downtown", and "Upper East Side"  are colloquialisms for locations within cities and not official names themselves.  They aren't creative or interesting names, they are just names that people use for convenience.  Most large cities have a city centre, but if the official name of that city centre was something like "City Central", then the mayor (or whoever came up with the name) would rightly be accused of lacking imagination.  These locations actually do, in real life, generally possess a more colourful real name.

Now, whether DA2's names were meant to be colloquialisms or not, the fact remains that it took virtually no creativity to come up with them, and in something that is meant to be in a fantasy setting (and thus not filled with modern day colloquialisms), such terms are immersion breaking for some, and reak of laziness and poor writing in my opinion.  Maybe I'm a sucker for traditional old school fantasy cliche, but something that sounds like an old ancient language is much more immersive in a fantasy game, than something that sounds like a bunch of modern Americanisms.

Edit:  I just noticed you actually had full quotation marks and state that I literally wrote "I could've done something better."  If you can find this, then please point this out to me, as somebody has been hacking in to my account.

Further edit:  Also, whether you take my criticisms of the game personally or not, I would just like to say that I respect the fact that your arguments are against my criticisms themselves, and not just very poorly thought out slander on my character.  I appreciate that you consider and think before you respond, and react to the post in question, and not the poster behind it.  People who dislike my posts, take note.

Be quiet already and get back on topic...