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[Labrev]

For me, all the major ME players fall under a certain category: ones I respect; ones that I love (like AND respect); and ones (one) that I hate (neither like nor respect).

Love:
Jack
Wrex
Kasumi
Mordin
Kaidan
Ashley
Garrus
Legion
Zaeed
Tali (to a slightly lesser extent, she felt a bit less genuine in ME2)
Morinth (yeah that's right.)

Respect:
Samara
Liara
Miranda
Thane
Grunt

Hate:
Jacob. (this guy's a piece of work)

Modifié par Hah Yes Reapers, 23 juin 2011 - 01:55 .

[Palidane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Palidane wrote...

Maybe he just wanted to, I don't know, make a difference? Do the right thing?

Possible, and if so then he went about doing it in a very stupid way.

The thugs have always been watching their backs because they have no shortage of enemies.

Shepard's quest is hopeless too, in the long term. However in the short term his quest has been quite successful when it comes to hindering the Reapers' designs.

I'd say Garrus was equally successful. He completely reversed the situation on Omega. The criminals had someone to fear, and they couldn't hurt innocents with reckless abandon anymore. Re-play his recruitment mission. All three crime bosses, some of the most powerful people on the station, are scared spitless by this guy. They don't know anything about him, except his species. They don't know his motives, his name, or where he will strike next. All they know is Archangel is coming for them.

Did he cause a revolt? No. Did the status quo return eventually? Yes. Did he make a difference? I think so. Your right, put down one gang, and another will rise up. It's like fighting a hydra. But what's the right thing to do, keep fighting even if you know it's hopeless, or don't even try? 

It's the same thing with Shepard and the Reapers. Should you do your best to prepare, to make a glorious last stand? Or give up, and abandon everyone else to save yourself? Because that right there is the difference between Saren and Shepard. In our Darkest Hour, Saren loses hope, but Shepard fights on.

[Massadonious1]

 

[Fidget6]

I like pretty much all my squadmates in their own way (Jack took some time for me to warm up to, she's annoying as hell, but I still have a soft spot for her.) The only one I don't much care for is Zaeed, but he's worth picking up just to punch in the face on his loyalty mission.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Palidane wrote...

I'd say Garrus was equally successful. He completely reversed the situation on Omega.

No he didn't. He did not change anything. In the end the mercs annihilated his squad and brought and end to his attacks. He failed. Utterly. Status quo maintained.

Except for the whole "the three major merc leaders are all dead along with dozens of their goons" thing.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Except for the whole "the three major merc leaders are all dead along with dozens of their goons" thing.

Those leaders will be replaced in less than a day and their goons too. Those merc organizations are huge. Archangel was a minor hiccup.

Is it nothing or a minor hiccup?
You've now said both.

[Phedre8]

Just wanted to say that I agree with this post a thousand percent. I don't get why people hate on the characters. On my first playthrough there were some squad members I liked more than others but I never hated them. On my next playthroughs I learned new things about the characters that I hadn't bothered to notice on my first playthrough. It's like when you go and reread a book; you find new things that you didn't notice before and it makes the story richer.

For example; I completely missed the reasons behind Liara giving Shepards body to Cerberus but stumbled upon it on my second playthrough and it added to Liara's character. To learn that she cared that much for my Shepard that she was willing to live with Shepards hate if only they were able to be brought back to life. It says a great deal about the type of loving person she is.

And yes I like Jacob too. Shepards come-on-flirty-creeper voice freaked me out at first but if you freind zone him he makes an awesome buddy. I cant imagine him not backing up my Shepard in ME3 when shes kicking Reapers a**.

[Mako Zalos]

I agree with you. I don't hate anyone, not even Jack who I usually stay away from. I'm open to new people and improvements to the old because I know I'll like them.

[Palidane]

@Saphra Deden

Its the principle of the thing, but you've missed that completely. Agree to disagree?

@Everyone else

The problem is that we're having a much smaller squad this time around. They said 12 is way too many, but we know we have Ash, Liara, Garrus, Tali, and James. That's 5, and I'm not sure how many of the ME2 Crew will make the cut.

[chelseaisthepan]

I'm in the same boat.

Yay for being reasonable!

[The Grey Ranger]

Saphra Deden wrote...


What people? The only people calling Garrus Archangel that I met wanted to kill him. I never met any of these supposed oppressed citizens who saw him as a hero. Not a single one. The only Omega dwellers we met were all quite content to have the Blue Suns around and regretted the plague weakening them.

The point is, Garrus isn't offering anything constructive for Omega. He is fighting a war he can't ever hope to win and when we arrive we see the results of his little crusade has been. He's killed a lot of people, changed nothing on Omega, and gotten himself backed into a corner.

Several of the residents in the plague zone. One batarian, erroneously blamed the Blue Suns for extoring him. They weren't though. They quarantined him to stop him from spreading the plague.

Blue Suns: the ones involved in piracy (Strontium Mule), protection rackets(Purgatory), effective slavery(Zoria) and racketeering on the Citadel(Fade)

Blood Pack:(on Omega sabotage the ventilation system),  or Tuchanka, (where they experiment on intelligent beings.)

Eclipse:  Where you have to kill someone, just so you can become a full member or who attack civilian mining facilities(Helyme)

Sounds like a bunch of criminals to me.

Modifié par The Grey Ranger, 23 juin 2011 - 02:45 .

[Son of Illusive Man]

Saphra Deden wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Perhaps he hoped to inspire the "lower populace" to rise up on omega and kinda fight for their right to not get downtrodden or... well pwned. Quite a bit too romantical and overly optimistic but it's a guess...

I don't think he thought it through that far. I think he was just disillusioned and even a bit suicidal (but didn't realize it). He knew the Reapers were coming and he wanted to go down in a blaze of glory, to make his mark on the universe before it was snuffed out completely.

It's a more realistic goal than, say, stopping the Reapers, provided you don't know some type of weakness or clue, which Shepard does not.

I think there was a line Saren said in ME1 about the nature of people to keep on fighting even when the logical odds are against them.

Modifié par Son of Illusive Man, 23 juin 2011 - 05:43 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Yeah! Love your positivity admiral cheez!

And I like some squaddies more than others. But I think that if someone hates a character, it still evokes a strong emotion for the player, so that character is still a well designed character.

Not that I hate any of the characters. But for those who do, it is a sign of effective writing.

[DoNotIngest]

chelseaisthepan wrote...

I'm in the same boat.

Yay for being reasonable!

Reading this and looking at your pic, I lol'd




Grand Admiral Cheesecake for Grand Admiral of the Alliance Navy in ME3, with Admiral Cheez as Admiral of the Fourth Fleet!

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 23 juin 2011 - 06:36 .

[Funkcase]

I like all the characters too, heck I even like the Turian councillor and Udina to some extent! The only way I could hate a character was if they were written and voiced bad.

[Son of Illusive Man]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Son of Illusive Man wrote...

It's a more realistic goal than, say, stopping the Reapers, provided you don't know some type of weakness or clue, which Shepard does not.

Hardly. As we've seen in each game Shepard has taken logical steps to hinder the Reaper's plans with a long term goal of buying the galaxy time to improve their technology.

Garrus had no long term plan for Omega.

Not that it isn't a hopeless cause, because it is. It's an improbable one.

If the player controlled Garrus, it would be just as reasonable of a goal.

[Martin the Warrior]

@Saph Okay, where does it say that Shepard's goal is buying the galaxy time to improve their technology? I got the impression that his goal is to save the galaxy by defeating the Reapers, which is extremely difficult because we still don't know a whole lot about the Reapers. We've killed two (although one of them wasn't nearly full-grown), but that doesn't mean we'll be able to stop an invasion fleet. I don't know about you, but every time I see one of those trailers of the Reapers invading Earth, my train of thought goes something along the lines of "OH SH**, HOW ARE WE GOING TO BEAT THIS?" Maybe stopping the Reaper invasion doesn't seem like an improbable cause to you, but it sure looks like one to me. And I'm going to fight it anyway. From what I've seen of your posts so far, you debate with an argumentative and sometimes arrogant tone, and I must say your sig is very fitting to your attitude. I've seen people on the interwebs (mostly on these forums or IGN) who failed utterly to understand the most complex squadmates in the ME games, but still had a good understanding of Garrus' character. Figuring out the embittered idealist isn't exactly rocket science. Unless your sense of morality is so skewed that you think the merc gangs in ME2 are the good guys, which seems to be the case here. And Garrus could have changed the status quo on Omega; most of the time when we saw those gangs after his recruitment mission, it was part of their operations on some other planet. They seem to have been crippled enough that they weren't able to go through with their plans to attack Aria. And this is the last time I'm going to say a word on this subject because unlike some posters on this thread, I don't want to get into a long drawn-out argument.

Back on topic, I don't hate any of the squadmates either. There are two that I don't like: Jack and Morinth. But I don't hate them. Every time I see Jack I want to tell her to put some clothes on and clean out that potty mouth of hers, but I understand that she is the way she is because of her seriously messed-up childhood. As for Morinth, I've killed her in all but one of my playthroughs - if I let her live, she would keep committing murder because of her addiction. As Samara said, "She is a tragic figure, but not a sympathetic one." The reason I don't hate Morinth is that she chose to trap herself in a cycle of narcotic killing rather than to be imprisoned behind walls. Either way, an Ardat-Yakshi can never be truly free. In a nutshell, the reason I don't hate Jack and Morinth is because I pity them both. And I don't know enough about James Vega to decide whether I like him or not.

[lofte_2000]

I just, agree...I love them all, each in their own way. Can't wait for more of the same

[ReallyRue]

I think I feel the same, to a degree. Although I don't like Morinth or Miranda as people, they can be interesting characters, and in some playthroughs (depending on what Shep I'm playing) they can actually seem sympathetic or likable.