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[Made Nightwing]

^I like him. A lot. The only stereotype he represents is that of a soldier who has his **** together, something that the military very much encourages.

[InvaderErl]

I always forget Morinth is part of the team.

I like her as an adversary but she's yet to survive any of my play throughs.

[thatguy212]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Even Morinth?

Yep.  I can sympathize with her a little and laughed my ass off when she hit on Grunt.  Additionally, she's a serial killer that sucks your soul out with her braingina, which is disturbing, badass, and hilarious all at once.

I think one of the best parts about Morinth is the posts you see about people asking how to sleep with her without dying "she said i would survive, what did i do wrong?" makes me happy to know she was convincing enough to kill off a few people even with all the obvious warning signs

[Made Nightwing]

Most of the time, I DO kill Morinth. Even my main Renegade Sheps don't save her. The one time I did save her and she survived teh suicide mission...I suffered death by snu snu.

[InvaderErl]

thatguy212 wrote...

I think one of the best parts about
Morinth is the posts you see about people asking how to sleep with her
without dying "she said i would survive, what did i do wrong?" makes me
happy to know she was convincing enough to kill off a few people even
with all the obvious warning signs

I fear for my fellow man.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 22 juin 2011 - 06:08 .

[CroGamer002]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Even Morinth?

Yep.  I can sympathize with her a little and laughed my ass off when she hit on Grunt.  Additionally, she's a serial killer that sucks your soul out with her braingina, which is disturbing, badass, and hilarious all at once.

Well we have to kill Samara to get her and all we got is a monster.

Hard to like her.


OK, VA of Morinth does brilliant job, that epic failure Shepard death is hilarious and that with Grunt.


But still, just that with that big cost?
No love from me.

[thatguy212]

I honestly never got why people dislike morinth for being a murderer, pretty much everyone on the team is a murderer and we don't judge them for it

[AdmiralCheez]

Mesina2 wrote...

Well we have to kill Samara to get her and all we got is a monster.

Hard to like her.


OK, VA of Morinth does brilliant job, that epic failure Shepard death is hilarious and that with Grunt.


But still, just that with that big cost?
No love from me.

Certainly, as much as I love Samara (and even if I didn't, I'm not a fan of betraying people or trusting serial killers), Morinth doesn't survive very often in my playthroughs.  However, I don't hate her.  Okay, I hate what she does, but she's tons of fun, anyway.

[CroGamer002]

@AdmiralCheez well Dominate is very cool power.

Especially with Pyro's.

Modifié par Mesina2, 22 juin 2011 - 06:22 .

[Raiil]

thatguy212 wrote...

I honestly never got why people dislike morinth for being a murderer, pretty much everyone on the team is a murderer and we don't judge them for it

Context, I suppose. Jack is the character closest to Morinth, but even she seems to kill more in self-defence than for pleasure (even with the drug issue she mentions on Pragia). For everyone else, it's a job, or duty, and the people they kill tend to fall into societally-acceptable deaths. Mercs, slavers- Shepard and Co tend to kill reactively in team. Garrus and Samara are law enforcement (or former, in the case of Garrus) and Thane was moulded into a killing machine. And even then, with Thane, he infers that he took 'bad people' out for the hanar, not going after politicians or the like. Zaeed kills for money, but has some moral lines he won't cross like children. Morinth kills for pleasure, goes after civilians (which even Grunt doesn't seem too motivated to do), and she's more of a seductress, so there might be a ****-shaming point.

[InvaderErl]

I think the thing is is how unrepentant Morinth is about it.

For the most part if they can avoid needless slaughter it seems that Samara and Garrus will do so, even Jack if left alone would never have really bothered anybody. They all have their issues but they don't just murder for the sheer pleasure of it.

[CroGamer002]

thatguy212 wrote...

I honestly never got why people dislike morinth for being a murderer, pretty much everyone on the team is a murderer and we don't judge them for it

It's kinda hard to like a murderer that kills people do to addiction for power.

Valentia X wrote...

Context, I suppose. Jack is the character closest to Morinth, but even she seems to kill more in self-defence than for pleasure (even with the drug issue she mentions on Pragia). For everyone else, it's a job, or duty, and the people they kill tend to fall into societally-acceptable deaths. Mercs, slavers- Shepard and Co tend to kill reactively in team. Garrus and Samara are law enforcement (or former, in the case of Garrus) and Thane was moulded into a killing machine. And even then, with Thane, he infers that he took 'bad people' out for the hanar, not going after politicians or the like. Zaeed kills for money, but has some moral lines he won't cross like children. Morinth kills for pleasure, goes after civilians (which even Grunt doesn't seem too motivated to do), and she's more of a seductress, so there might be a ****-shaming point.

This.

Modifié par Mesina2, 22 juin 2011 - 06:26 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Definitely not the only one, Cheez. And I'm glad to see you posting again.

[AdmiralCheez]

@Saphra Deden: I never found Samara boring. She's lived a fascinating life, and even without her tales of past adventures, deep personal conflicts, or incredibly unconventional lifestyle, I'd enjoy talking to her just to listen to that lovely, soothing voice of hers and gawk away at Dem Eyes. As it is, though, I can't imagine the pain she felt over devoting her life to killing her own daughter, enjoy getting frustrated over the idealogical conflict she and I have over her Code, and give her points for being one of the few squadmates to turn Shepard down when (s)he came looking for sexytimes. Most importantly, I am fascinated by the amount of depth I was able to see sheltered within her cold and composed mannerisms.

@thatguy212: Morinth kills because she's sick. She's addicted and at this point can't help it; she's a very tragic character and I can't actually blame her entirely for what she does, even if it's absolutely disgusting and horrible. Garrus, on the other hand, is downright nasty--he kills based on his own perceptions of right and wrong... or for revenge. I honestly should despise him for that, as in my opinion he's a worse monster than Morinth, even if every person he kills completely deserves it. But again, he's one of my favorite characters of all time.

[DoNotIngest]

Valentia X wrote...

...Thane, he infers that he took 'bad people' out for the hanar, not going after politicians or the like.

 Huh?

[jlb524]

King Zeel wrote...

...Even Jacob?

Jacob's cool.

[CroGamer002]

@AdmiralCheez you can teach Garrus that what's he doing is wrong.

Morinth just has no redemption.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I completely agree with the OP. I like all the main characters in Mass Effect. Admittedly some of them end up getting a little neglected if I don't find them quite as interesting as others but it's not from any dislike for them.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 22 juin 2011 - 06:36 .

[InvaderErl]

AdmiralCheez wrote...


@thatguy212: Morinth kills because she's sick. She's addicted and at this point can't help it; she's a very tragic character and I can't actually blame her entirely for what she does, even if it's absolutely disgusting and horrible. Garrus, on the other hand, is downright nasty--he kills based on his own perceptions of right and wrong... or for revenge. I honestly should despise him for that, as in my opinion he's a worse monster than Morinth, even if every person he kills completely deserves it. But again, he's one of my favorite characters of all time.

Garrus has never murdered a teenaged girl to get a pleasure kick. Garrus kills criminals, he might be extreme in that task but we've never had any instance of anything approaching the cruelty that Morinth exhibits. He doesn't murder defenseless people who had the misfortune of crossing paths with him.

Morinth might be suffering from an illness but she was the one who chose to go on the run and she was the one that chose to start feeding off of people. I find her interesting but she deserves no sympathy, she's an outright sociopath.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 22 juin 2011 - 06:35 .

[Raiil]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

...Thane, he infers that he took 'bad people' out for the hanar, not going after politicians or the like.

 Huh?

I completely forgot about Nassana Dantius. Ignore me, that's me being dumb.


I should have prefixed the whole Thane thing with 'this was how I saw it', so here's what I meant. As a freelancer, Thane has a definite moral code (he joins up in order to save 'innocents' and obviously went out of his way to avoid collateral damage during the Tower mission), and while working for the hanar, he seems to go after people who target hanar specifically, like the slaving operation mission that ultimately culminated in Irikah's death. He doesn't strike me as the sort who would simply take on any job for the credits; he has a particular set of standards that he abides by.

[jlb524]

Morinth is still a victim of genetics. On top of that, she choose freedom over being a prisoner. You can't fault her initial intentions.

[Alienmorph]

No wait... there are people accusing Cheez of trolling... because she likes all the main ME characters?

Is this board really so dumb that hating at least one character at person is considered somehow mandatory???

...

Sigh, like I don't know the answer...