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[GodWood]

AdmiralCheez wrote...
braingina

This word...



I must use it more often.

[PMC65]

Saphra Deden wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

I honestly never got why people dislike morinth for being a murderer, pretty much everyone on the team is a murderer and we don't judge them for it

They're easily manipulated. They see how Morinth's actions hurt Nef and her mother, so they hate her. If they saw all the broken homes and hearts caused by Samara, Jack, Thane, and Garrus, they'd hate them too. (Well, maybe not Garrus)

My Shepard hates the whole mind meld act and she even has a "safe" word with Liara when they do fool around that way ... Yes, poor Liara has hooked up with a human who "hates" the black eye thingy act, and as such does not get to meld often. Only on her birthday and the asari new year.

So Morinth totally freaks my Shepard out with the suck you bye-bye. When I play that scene I can only image poor Shepard crying "mommy!" in her head as Morinth sits on her lap ... "Oh, ****! Mommy!!!!!!!!!"

Okay, she really freaks me the gamer out as well and I can never let her live and step foot on the Normandy. I am sure that she has a sweet personality and great taste in clothes, but I really hate the whole mind meld thing. Yes, I am a control freak. I admit it.

As far as dislike the other squaddies ... I hate how femshep acts with Jacob, but my male shep likes him. So it's not really Jacobs fault regarding her behavior (I'm looking at you Bioware ). Each one of these guys/gals has my Shepards back and fights in the trenches with him/her. So no hate here. I do have my favorites based on each Shepard though.

Modifié par PMC65, 22 juin 2011 - 06:41 .

[InvaderErl]

Saphra Deden wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

I think the thing is is how unrepentant Morinth is about it.

Jack and Thane aren't repentant about their misdeeds either.

Jack just likes to pretend that she doesn't care but she wouldn't have spared that dude at the end of her loyalty mission is she was an unrepentant killer. She wouldn't have gotten that conviction for hostage taking because she didn't kill the prisoners on board a ship she hijacked. She's just been traumatized into seeing everyone and everything as a possible threat.

Thane's like Garrus. Ruthless when it comes to criminals but one of the very first things he does when you meet him is pray for his soul and then say that he has to seek forgiveness because he wasn't quick enough and innocent people died.

Morinth exhibits nothing approaching that.

[Dave of Canada]

Didn't like Morinth, sympathized with her but could never let her live. Especially didn't feel bad after I found out she brainwashed an entire colony to serve her.

[Raiil]

Saphra Deden wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Garrus has never murdered a teenaged girl to get a pleasure kick.

Garrus murders people all the time to satisfy his blood lust. He's not on Omega offering the people anything. He's just a reckless force waging war in the streets.

We've met the kind of people Garrus kills a lot of them aren't bad. They're just trying to make a life in a hard place. Then Garrus comes in and starts preaching at gun point.

He's a fool and a psychopath.

Garrus does not have bloodlust. Bloodlust is defined as a desire for extreme violence and carnage. He doesn't have a hardon to hurt people just to hurt them; he wants to hurt people who hurt others. He's a vigililante. Grunt is a better, if not perfect, example of someone with bloodlust.

And what kind of people has Garrus killed that aren't bad? He went after mercenaries on Omega. Am I forgetting something?

[DoNotIngest]

Valentia X wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

...Thane, he infers that he took 'bad people' out for the hanar, not going after politicians or the like.

 Huh?

I completely forgot about Nassana Dantius. Ignore me, that's me being dumb.

Actually, I was confused about how politicians weren't bad people...


But that too!

[jlb524]

LOL @ Garrus blood lust

Alienmorph wrote...

No wait... there are people accusing Cheez of trolling... because she likes all the main ME characters?

Is this board really so dumb that hating at least one character at person is considered somehow mandatory???

...

Sigh, like I don't know the answer...

Apparently.

Who do you hate?

*kidding...I kid*

Modifié par jlb524, 22 juin 2011 - 06:42 .

[CroGamer002]

Valentia X wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

...Thane, he infers that he took 'bad people' out for the hanar, not going after politicians or the like.

 Huh?

I completely forgot about Nassana Dantius. Ignore me, that's me being dumb.

Well she isn't politician on Illium.
And I don't think she's anymore on Citadel.

[Raiil]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

...Thane, he infers that he took 'bad people' out for the hanar, not going after politicians or the like.

 Huh?

I completely forgot about Nassana Dantius. Ignore me, that's me being dumb.

Actually, I was confused about how politicians weren't bad people...


But that too!

LOL! Fair enough. I suppose 'he doesn't go after politicians just for making bad political decisions/just because he doesn't agree with them' would make more sense. 

[AdmiralCheez]

Mesina2 wrote...

@AdmiralCheez you can teach Garrus that what's he doing is wrong.

Not a fan of running around demanding everyone conform to my own sense of morality.

Still wind up paragoning the sh*t out of that turian most of the time.  Poor bastard.

Morinth just has no redemption.

And that's the saddest part.  Hers is a soul that can never be saved.  She can't change herself and doesn't want to, and innocent people will continue to die because of it.  She cares for nothing except her own pleasure, all because she chose to run away from the people that gave up on trying to help her.

[DoNotIngest]

jlb524 wrote...

LOL @ Garrus blood lust

Alienmorph wrote...

No wait... there are people accusing Cheez of trolling... because she likes all the main ME characters?

Is this board really so dumb that hating at least one character at person is considered somehow mandatory???

...

Sigh, like I don't know the answer...

Apparently.

Who do you hate?

*kidding...I kid*

I hate Merrill!



*Borat voice* ...NOT!


Don't worry, those two who were calling the OP a troll are known trolls themselves. Everything'sa happeh.

[InvaderErl]

Saphra Deden wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Garrus has never murdered a teenaged girl to get a pleasure kick.

Garrus murders people all the time to satisfy his blood lust. He's not on Omega offering the people anything. He's just a reckless force waging war in the streets.

We've met the kind of people Garrus kills a lot of them aren't bad. They're just trying to make a life in a hard place. Then Garrus comes in and starts preaching at gun point.

He's a fool and a psychopath.

Except the people took to calling him Archangel which kind of torpedos the notion that Garrus didn't offer them anything. There were lots of people on Omega legitimately sick about the hold the gangs had over their lives and though ultimately his efforts did not succeed the fact that he rallied people around him and had others who actually joined him goes to show that he's not the reckless bloodthirsty force you pretend, in fact it seems that he was quite surgical.

As for nice people we meet very few, the only one I can think of is the kid and he seemed pretty eager to shoot somebody if memory serves.

Saphra Deden wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

And what kind of people has Garrus killed that aren't bad? He went after mercenaries on Omega. Am I forgetting something?

The same mercenaries who the residents there describe as being a force for security and safety.

Garrus is bloodthristy, it doesn't matter how descriminating he is with it, he is relentless.

When was this said? The people in the apartment who talk about the protection money that the gangs extort from them?

Modifié par InvaderErl, 22 juin 2011 - 06:47 .

[LuxDragon]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

The squadmates, I mean.  Sure, I like some more than others, but there's not a single one I hate or am completely bored by.  Yeah, I started out completely turned off by certain characters, but after spending so much time getting to know them, I find it hard not to get attached.  I also think each one is useful in his or her own way on the battlefield, even if some of them aren't as powerful or versatile as others.

Anybody else feel this way?

SUBFORUM RELEVANCE: I look forward to seeing everyone again in ME3 and wonder if I'll wind up loving everyone again the third time around.

Actually, yes. During the course of my novelization of ME2, I had to get inside the character's heads to find out what makes them unique. After that, I really learned to like'em all.

Although I do admit to liking some characters more than others though. It just happens.

[jlb524]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Garrus is bloodthristy, it doesn't matter how descriminating he is with it, he is relentless.

Okay, I will leave and stop getting trolled.

DoNotIngest wrote...

I hate Merrill!



*Borat voice* ...NOT! ../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png

lucky...

Modifié par jlb524, 22 juin 2011 - 06:47 .

[PMC65]

Saphra Deden wrote...

PMC65 wrote...

My Shepard hates the whole mind meld act and she even has a "safe" word with Liara when they do fool around that way ... Yes, poor Liara has hooked up with a human who "hates" the black eye thingy act, and as such does not get to meld often. Only on her birthday and the asari new year.

So Morinth totally freaks my Shepard out with the suck you bye-bye. When I play that scene I can only image poor Shepard crying "mommy!" in her head as Morinth sits on her lip ... "Oh, ****! Mommy!!!!!!!!!"

You know in ME1 there is a glitch that sometimes occurs after those mind meld scenes where everyone's eyes turn black like that. I've only had it happen twice but it is very eerie. Like the Normandy has turned into the Event Horizon or something.

Thank god I've never seen that. It just gives me the creeps. The first time I played the game and Liara explained how her kind "meld" my control freak nature thought, "Oh, hell no!" I don't want someone messing up in my head. Then I saw that the black eyes went with it and I thought "WTF?" It's not sexy, its freaky!

It wasn't until my 3rd Shepard that I finally romanced her. She has become my favorite, but the "melding" is the one downfall to the union. I literally have a "safe" word between them ... my friends laugh and say in real life I wouldn't go near an asari. What all does an asari see when they are poking around?  

[CroGamer002]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Not a fan of running around demanding everyone conform to my own sense of morality.

Still wind up paragoning the sh*t out of that turian most of the time.  Poor bastard.

Well I never order or demanded for him to not take a shot on Sidonis and that doctor in ME1.

I reason with him and he came to his own conclusion and agreed with him.
And he learned that being like Cerberus is bad idea.

And that's the saddest part.  Hers is a soul that can never be saved.  She can't change herself and doesn't want to, and innocent people will continue to die because of it.  She cares for nothing except her own pleasure, all because she chose to run away from the people that gave up on trying to help her.

That's why bullet to the head is best for her and others.

OK, decapitation was little too extreme.

Modifié par Mesina2, 22 juin 2011 - 06:49 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

@Saphra Deden, Silence, you idiot. I don't insult tali like that!

[thatguy212]

Valentia X wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

InvaderErl wrote...

Garrus has never murdered a teenaged girl to get a pleasure kick.

Garrus murders people all the time to satisfy his blood lust. He's not on Omega offering the people anything. He's just a reckless force waging war in the streets.

We've met the kind of people Garrus kills a lot of them aren't bad. They're just trying to make a life in a hard place. Then Garrus comes in and starts preaching at gun point.

He's a fool and a psychopath.

Garrus does not have bloodlust. Bloodlust is defined as a desire for extreme violence and carnage. He doesn't have a hardon to hurt people just to hurt them; he wants to hurt people who hurt others. He's a vigililante. Grunt is a better, if not perfect, example of someone with bloodlust.

And what kind of people has Garrus killed that aren't bad? He went after mercenaries on Omega. Am I forgetting something?

Isn't the whole point of his loyalty mission him trying to satisfy his bloodlust? He shoots through a pack of mercs, steps on a guy's neck, then shoots him in the knee cap, all so he can kill the man who wronged him

Modifié par thatguy212, 22 juin 2011 - 06:50 .

[Raiil]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

And what kind of people has Garrus killed that aren't bad? He went after mercenaries on Omega. Am I forgetting something?

The same mercenaries who the residents there describe as being a force for security and safety.

Garrus is bloodthristy, it doesn't matter how descriminating he is with it, he is relentless.

Garrus does not, by definition, have bloodlust. There is no uncontrollable slaughter, there is no desire for indiscrimate death and carnage. Bloodlust is a desire for bloodshed, with a certain lack of control implied therein. If you talk to him about the people he goes after, he has very real, non-carnage related answers. Shipping tainted eezo. The Blue Suns extortion racket. 

Garrus targets very bad people and goes after them with his particular brand of justice. I won't argue whether that's right or wrong, but that's vigilantism, not bloodlust or bloodthirstiness.