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[KotorEffect3]

Sakanade wrote...

sgtrock wrote...

 If the alliance navy knew that the reapers were coming, why did they mass over europe? 
It doesn't make much sense, when they fought sovereign they knew how many ships they lost just killing one reaper. so why mass almost there entire armada of ships which are built for more of a direct combat over europe where they could become easy prey for the reaper war ships?

Yes, because clearly they need to be over North America, the center of the Universe.

NOT

Europe is the center of the world, has been since the Greeks invented Democracy.

Makes sense.

Commander Shepard is not European.

[Nashiktal]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sakanade wrote...

sgtrock wrote...

 If the alliance navy knew that the reapers were coming, why did they mass over europe? 
It doesn't make much sense, when they fought sovereign they knew how many ships they lost just killing one reaper. so why mass almost there entire armada of ships which are built for more of a direct combat over europe where they could become easy prey for the reaper war ships?

Yes, because clearly they need to be over North America, the center of the Universe.

NOT

Europe is the center of the world, has been since the Greeks invented Democracy.

Makes sense.

Commander Shepard is not European.

I am hoping Sakanda just misunderstood sgtrock was saying and not trolling.

[Bad King]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sakanade wrote...

sgtrock wrote...

 If the alliance navy knew that the reapers were coming, why did they mass over europe? 
It doesn't make much sense, when they fought sovereign they knew how many ships they lost just killing one reaper. so why mass almost there entire armada of ships which are built for more of a direct combat over europe where they could become easy prey for the reaper war ships?

Yes, because clearly they need to be over North America, the center of the Universe.

NOT

Europe is the center of the world, has been since the Greeks invented Democracy.

Makes sense.

Commander Shepard is not European.

How do you know?

[Someone With Mass]

Where did it say that the Alliance fleet was massing over Europe?

[Bad King]

Vanaer wrote...

Because it's Europe, and aliens never attack Europe. Haven't you seen Independence Day? Or War of the Worlds? Or any other generic movie about alien attacks? Do they ever feature an attack on Europe? No, they never do.

Actually they both do.

[Bad King]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Where did it say that the Alliance fleet was massing over Europe?

www.youtube.com/watch

[1136342t54_]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Where did it say that the Alliance fleet was massing over Europe?

I think they are using the live action ME3 trailer and assuming because of how many casualties there were in Europe and the position of the fleet which was in orbit and appeared to be facing against Europe that they were placed specifically over Europe.

[Someone With Mass]

Bad King wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Where did it say that the Alliance fleet was massing over Europe?

www.youtube.com/watch

I thought they meant the Reapers...

[dewayne31]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Where did it say that the Alliance fleet was massing over Europe?

in the invasion it refered to a fleet. i think everyone assumes it was alliance. but i just watched it again. sides a couple sr designations. i saw non alliance designations us for one. so it can it was earths militaries massing

[1136342t54_]

Also I don't get how its a bad tactical maneuver to have a fleet in Earth orbit that appears to be massed over Europe. No matter where the fleet is stationed at if they lost the fleet then orbital superiority is gone period.

[Icinix]

In one of the reports the translation reads the Alliance fleet is retreating at full speed -

But then in a dev interview it said the alliance fleet was wiped out.


Its all a bit confusing my liking.

[Bad King]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Bad King wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Where did it say that the Alliance fleet was massing over Europe?

www.youtube.com/watch

I thought they meant the Reapers...

They mean Alliance ships: "Is it your opinion then that this is in fact a preperation against a legitimate attack?"

[Undertone]

Vanaer wrote...

Hathur wrote...

Vanaer wrote...

Because it's Europe, and aliens never attack Europe. Haven't you seen Independence Day? Or War of the Worlds? Or any other generic movie about alien attacks? Do they ever feature an attack on Europe? No, they never do.

Europe is safe. Alliance knows this.

WWI and WWII on the phone, they'd like to have a word with you 

Since World War II we only had one genocide, and that was somewhere in the Balkan. They're all assasins anyway and they're all called Niko.

West Europe is safe. Alliance knows this.

And about Niko, that was a joke.

For someone from Europe you sure do seem like the average narrow-minded american. And this is not referening to your poor attempt at making a gta joke.

[Robbiesan]

they heard about schnitzels n bangers from TIM.. they want... enough to kill over...

[Someone With Mass]

Why does it matter if they mass over Europe, anyway? They can cover the whole planet with ease.

[Nashiktal]

Can we stop pulling the nationality card, my feelings are starting to get hurt.

[SandTrout]

It is hard to say what their particular reasoning behind massing over Europe is, other than the fact that they had to mass above somewhere. If they scattered their fleets, that is far more likely to result in the complete destruction of your forces and an inability to expel an incursion than keeping all your ships within range of covering each other.

Tactically, this is called 'mass', and it is a key factor in deciding who will win a battle. Even if the Reapers initially made contact above Australia or China, the fleet would move, as a whole, to bring its full firepower on the enemy at once, as opposed to loosing all of your battle-groups individually as they move independently to counter the threats. This fleet is most likely at some form of battle readiness as well, and not just siting in dry-dock, so to speak.

The fact that the Reaper fleet is so powerful that there was no defense that could have reasonably stopped them does not make the attempted defense tactically stupid or imply that the commander was an idiot. It only implies that the commander was sorely lacking in intel regarding the threat they were facing, or that they were desperate to protect our home-world, either of which are understandable courses of action.

[Palidane]

Why not? They gotta mass over something, and it's a bit more dramatic then some random spot in the pacific ocean,

[Chino 281]

SirKillsalot wrote...

Because they didn't mass them over America, Asia, Oceania or Antarctica?

They could've went the safe route and massed over an ocean. Least collateral damage.

[Weiser_Cain]

Sakanade wrote...

sgtrock wrote...

 If the alliance navy knew that the reapers were coming, why did they mass over europe? 
It doesn't make much sense, when they fought sovereign they knew how many ships they lost just killing one reaper. so why mass almost there entire armada of ships which are built for more of a direct combat over europe where they could become easy prey for the reaper war ships?

Yes, because clearly they need to be over North America, the center of the Universe.

NOT

Europe is the center of the world, has been since the Greeks invented Democracy.

Makes sense.

I knew this response was coming. Nobody gives proper respect to Africa for inventing the thumb, try 'inventing' democracy without that. I thought Greece was in the Mediterranean anyway?

[Hathur]

Chino 281 wrote...

SirKillsalot wrote...

Because they didn't mass them over America, Asia, Oceania or Antarctica?

They could've went the safe route and massed over an ocean. Least collateral damage.

They're not interested in our infrastructure - they're not here to invade & take Earth for themsleves... they just want to harvest us and make us into smoothies... don't think they give a lick about tearing down our buildings or killing a few folks here and there.

[TobiTobsen]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Sakanade wrote...

sgtrock wrote...

 If the alliance navy knew that the reapers were coming, why did they mass over europe? 
It doesn't make much sense, when they fought sovereign they knew how many ships they lost just killing one reaper. so why mass almost there entire armada of ships which are built for more of a direct combat over europe where they could become easy prey for the reaper war ships?

Yes, because clearly they need to be over North America, the center of the Universe.

NOT

Europe is the center of the world, has been since the Greeks invented Democracy.

Makes sense.

I knew this response was coming. Nobody gives proper respect to Africa for inventing the thumb, try 'inventing' democracy without that. I thought Greece was in the Mediterranean anyway?

The Reapers saw District 9. No way they would attack Africa first.

[KotorEffect3]

Bad King wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sakanade wrote...

sgtrock wrote...

 If the alliance navy knew that the reapers were coming, why did they mass over europe? 
It doesn't make much sense, when they fought sovereign they knew how many ships they lost just killing one reaper. so why mass almost there entire armada of ships which are built for more of a direct combat over europe where they could become easy prey for the reaper war ships?

Yes, because clearly they need to be over North America, the center of the Universe.

NOT

Europe is the center of the world, has been since the Greeks invented Democracy.

Makes sense.

Commander Shepard is not European.

How do you know?

Because in 2 out of the 3 backgrounds he is not even from Earth (spacer, colonist) and as far as my earthborns go until bioware says something more specific about the eartborn background my earthborns are American just like me, ha!

[LTiberious]

Reapers? We've dismissed that claim.

[dewayne31]

SandTrout wrote...

It is hard to say what their particular reasoning behind massing over Europe is, other than the fact that they had to mass above somewhere. If they scattered their fleets, that is far more likely to result in the complete destruction of your forces and an inability to expel an incursion than keeping all your ships within range of covering each other.

Tactically, this is called 'mass', and it is a key factor in deciding who will win a battle. Even if the Reapers initially made contact above Australia or China, the fleet would move, as a whole, to bring its full firepower on the enemy at once, as opposed to loosing all of your battle-groups individually as they move independently to counter the threats. This fleet is most likely at some form of battle readiness as well, and not just siting in dry-dock, so to speak.

The fact that the Reaper fleet is so powerful that there was no defense that could have reasonably stopped them does not make the attempted defense tactically stupid or imply that the commander was an idiot. It only implies that the commander was sorely lacking in intel regarding the threat they were facing, or that they were desperate to protect our home-world, either of which are understandable courses of action.

that bring up another question. did command tell its soldiers what the threat really was. and did they all volunteer for the mission? it seems like a sucide mission which if memory serves they cann't order men to do.