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[nutyjack]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

DCopeland wrote...

Because the reapers know that the Amerifats won't be able to run anywhere.

 

No they just knew the euros would be easy pickings.  Don't even have to indoctrinate them.

this^/  guesst the well writing letter the euros sent the reapers asking them to politely cease and desit  didn't work out sow well. I'm goind to take a wild guest and say were goind to have to do most of the fighting , big suprise.<_<

[sartt]

This is why they amassed over Europe. BECAUSE ITS FULL OF BIG STUPID JELLYFISH! (Called Europeans who can't solve their own damned problems.) They dare not amass over America because the Illusive man has secret Anti Reaper Weapons to protect his Cigarette and Suit factories.

Modifié par sartt, 23 juin 2011 - 05:06 .

[Halfdan The Menace]

Those were Royal Air Force planes over London,you'll notice some helicopters flying around (looks like Avatar helicopters) along with the Mantis gunships. Dont know about other European air forces though...

[Admoniter]

sgtrock wrote...
maybe they could hide earths fleets behind one of the less colonaized planets in our system, the reapers would never suspect that they would have suspected that we mass over earth. but if we hid, we could attack them from behind which would give us a better chance at fighting the reapers. the reaper fleet would be somewhat vulnerable to an attack from behind.

Once again the Collectors managed to pick up a stealthed vessel, that in and of itself is an impressive feat. Compare the SR1/2 to a fleet one, which as far as we know does not contain another stealth vessel; ambushes don't work when you yell out sneak attack before you strike. Besides Reapers are giant machine crunching numbers is like their forte. Beyond that of all the options pouring all of your resources into an ambush doesn't really seem like a good idea when you are against technologically superior foes who most likely will be making a b line for your homeworld; can't do very much to protect all those innocent people when those guys you were trying to ambush just disengaged and decided that they wanted to just fsu in your endzone.

Nevermind that the only mature Reaper that we have beaten was kind of down for the count after we wrecked its avatar, what's the Alliance going to do when they are more or less just throwing pawns at a wall of queens?

[SandTrout]

that bring up another question. did command tell its soldiers what the threat really was. and did they all volunteer for the mission? it seems like a sucide mission which if memory serves they cann't order men to do.

The grunts would probably be relatively unaware of what they were facing. They would be told to expect an incoming fleet to hit Earth soon, and not much else. There would be a lot of speculating among the ranks, but only the officers and a few select enlisted personnel would have full access to what was actually expected.

It is not necessarily suicide duty, either. They are hoping to repel the invasion, regardless of what they consider their chances of actually being. The servicemen would not be given the full story so that moral is not undermined before the fighting even starts. Once the fighting starts, the soldiers can be expected to fight to the fullest of their ability regardless of expectation of victory.

[CroGamer002]

tobynator89 wrote...

We're europe. we were first to mars founded the current capital of mars. China and NAF can suck it.

HA!

[HTTP 404]

maybe they massed because they saw the reapers entering through the relay at the edge of our solar system...I don't think you should FTL from pluto to earth.

[Vanaer]

Undertone wrote...

Vanaer wrote...

Hathur wrote...

Vanaer wrote...

Because it's Europe, and aliens never attack Europe. Haven't you seen Independence Day? Or War of the Worlds? Or any other generic movie about alien attacks? Do they ever feature an attack on Europe? No, they never do.

Europe is safe. Alliance knows this.

WWI and WWII on the phone, they'd like to have a word with you 

Since World War II we only had one genocide, and that was somewhere in the Balkan. They're all assasins anyway and they're all called Niko.

West Europe is safe. Alliance knows this.

And about Niko, that was a joke.

For someone from Europe you sure do seem like the average narrow-minded american. And this is not referening to your poor attempt at making a gta joke.

I've come no further than Croatia (which was by the way an awesome country, except for driving near Split... bad memories) and the only thing I know about Bulgaria and Romania are their high score on the corruption index and that a fair share of Eastern Europeans are nationalist pricks - If you have to believe some Poles, they argue that Polish parachustists have liberated half of Europe, running around naked with a stick -. Now, the fact that you fail to conceive the real joke proves that Dutch humour isn't really translating itself that well to English.

But, I'm very likely narrow minded,  so we're on par there.

Modifié par Vanaer, 23 juin 2011 - 07:24 .

[TommyH]

Well I guess destruction of Earth must start somewhere, so why not Europe? Maybe the Reapers have invested in the Euro big time, and they are really not amused to have lost so much with the prospect of losing some more. So they chose to cut their losses and clean this place first? I could certainly understand...

[LoK-y-Yo]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Sakanade wrote...

sgtrock wrote...

 If the alliance navy knew that the reapers were coming, why did they mass over europe? 
It doesn't make much sense, when they fought sovereign they knew how many ships they lost just killing one reaper. so why mass almost there entire armada of ships which are built for more of a direct combat over europe where they could become easy prey for the reaper war ships?

Yes, because clearly they need to be over North America, the center of the Universe.

NOT

Europe is the center of the world, has been since the Greeks invented Democracy.

Makes sense.

I knew this response was coming. Nobody gives proper respect to Africa for inventing the thumb, try 'inventing' democracy without that. I thought Greece was in the Mediterranean anyway?

Mediterraneo is a sea...that little sea between Europa in which  Greece is located and the North of Africa...:innocent:

I don't find it that strange to be over Europe. I though it would be over Canada, since Bioware is in there :happy:  but whether we like it or not Europe has been very important to shape the world.

The history of North and South America, Australia, and Europe of the last 500 years is the history of the Europeans, whether people like it or not. Africa is very influenced in its current situation due to the colonial and imperialism of Europeans, for good and mainly for the bad. The Indian subcontinent  was influenced due to the British colonialism. The Forbidden Palace of China was taken by French and Brittish. The Namba commerce with the Portuguese revolutioned the Sengoku war in Japan with the new muskets. And I won't say that from México to Argentina, Spanish is spoken along with Portuguese in Brasil...and English in USA and Canada (with French).

So, why  not over Europe? and unless the ships are in Geostationary orbit, the world will rotate and they will not be over Europe in a few hours, that's so, if they are not wiped out within a few minutes

I know this is very Europecentric, but not always the world rotates only around the USA. It would be cool that it were over Indonesia-India-China since its the most populated area of the world.

Modifié par LoK-y-Yo, 23 juin 2011 - 09:51 .

[nikki191]

i sort of assumed that they were spotted comming through the relay and this was the attempt to put the fleet between the reapers and the place directly in the path of them which happened to be europe.

[sgtrock]

LoK-y-Yo wrote...

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Sakanade wrote...

sgtrock wrote...

 If the alliance navy knew that the reapers were coming, why did they mass over europe? 
It doesn't make much sense, when they fought sovereign they knew how many ships they lost just killing one reaper. so why mass almost there entire armada of ships which are built for more of a direct combat over europe where they could become easy prey for the reaper war ships?

Yes, because clearly they need to be over North America, the center of the Universe.

NOT

Europe is the center of the world, has been since the Greeks invented Democracy.

Makes sense.

I knew this response was coming. Nobody gives proper respect to Africa for inventing the thumb, try 'inventing' democracy without that. I thought Greece was in the Mediterranean anyway?

Mediterraneo is a sea...that little sea between Europa in which  Greece is located and the North of Africa...:innocent:

I don't find it that strange to be over Europe. I though it would be over Canada, since Bioware is in there :happy:  but whether we like it or not Europe has been very important to shape the world.

The history of North and South America, Australia, and Europe of the last 500 years is the history of the Europeans, whether people like it or not. Africa is very influenced in its current situation due to the colonial and imperialism of Europeans, for good and mainly for the bad. The Indian subcontinent  was influenced due to the British colonialism. The Forbidden Palace of China was taken by French and Brittish. The Namba commerce with the Portuguese revolutioned the Sengoku war in Japan with the new muskets. And I won't say that from México to Argentina, Spanish is spoken along with Portuguese in Brasil...and English in USA and Canada (with French).

So, why  not over Europe? and unless the ships are in Geostationary orbit, the world will rotate and they will not be over Europe in a few hours, that's so, if they are not wiped out within a few minutes

I know this is very Europecentric, but not always the world rotates only around the USA. It would be cool that it were over Indonesia-India-China since its the most populated area of the world.

why does everyone make this assupmtion that i care where the fleet is massed over earth, i'm asking why its a good idea to mass over earth at all. it just doesn't seem like a good idea to mass your navy in front of superior much larger ships that will crush you in minutes.

[Purge the heathens]

sgtrock wrote...

why does everyone make this assupmtion that i care where the fleet is massed over earth, i'm asking why its a good idea to mass over earth at all. it just doesn't seem like a good idea to mass your navy in front of superior much larger ships that will crush you in minutes.

If they didn't mass over Earth, the Reapers could bombard it and land there with impunity while a small part of their fleet takes a detour and crushes the Alliance navy, anyway.

Because of lack of information/intel/whatever, the commanders believe that standard tactics (attackers will be hesitant to fire at a garden world) will work against this enemy. I mean, do they know "Reapers are coming!" or is it more like "There's a lot of ships coming this way whose profiles probably match that weird geth ship from the battle of the citadel." It might be even less than that.

Cruisers are only effective at long ranges, dreadnoughts at even longer ones. Massing at the relay wouldn't make sense for them. Admittedly, unless one of the other points also holds true, they could position themselves at any point in the solar system that's still reasonably close to Earth.

They aren't there to defend Earth, but rather to cover the evacuation efforts (of important people?) since they know that trying to fight off the Reapers is futile.

[MDT1]

sgtrock wrote...
why does everyone make this assupmtion that i care where the fleet is massed over earth, i'm asking why its a good idea to mass over earth at all. it just doesn't seem like a good idea to mass your navy in front of superior much larger ships that will crush you in minutes.

Because the politicians in charge agreed that they wouldn't be reelected if they don't try something.
This always happens if someone is in chrage who is no expert, you could also ask Stalin why he massed his troops near the German boarder before we attacked Russia in WWII.

[Warkupo]

Europe was probably facing the direction that the Reapers were predicted to invade at. It's not like the Alliance isn't aware of the Reaper threat; ME2 makes it pretty obvious that they know what's going on.

Modifié par Warkupo, 23 juin 2011 - 04:28 .

[Ahglock]

Undertone wrote...


For someone from Europe you sure do seem like the average narrow-minded american. And this is not referening to your poor attempt at making a gta joke.

Nice to see you have such an open mind about americans.

[N085]

Ahglock wrote...

Undertone wrote...


For someone from Europe you sure do seem like the average narrow-minded american. And this is not referening to your poor attempt at making a gta joke.

Nice to see you have such an open mind about americans.

Nice to see some americans think there the centre of the universe! What is it about europe that americans hate so much?

[Ahglock]

N085 wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

Undertone wrote...


For someone from Europe you sure do seem like the average narrow-minded american. And this is not referening to your poor attempt at making a gta joke.

Nice to see you have such an open mind about americans.

Nice to see some americans think there the centre of the universe! What is it about europe that americans hate so much?

But I don't think that, and I don't hate Europe, and I do not think Americans in general think that.  .  You might also note I only targeted one person in my comment, I am not making a generalization about a group like you or him/her was.  You seem to have a problem with Americans if you have to make comments like, "What is it about europe that americans hate so much?"  So you might want to look into a mirror the next time you think or type out thoughts like that.

I also was easily able to understand the OPs point not being about the location over Earth but them being there at all.  You are just throwing away your forces if you place them in that siutation, it is better to save them and try to have an actual plan so this entire nationalist rampage on various peoples parts is kind of silly.  

[N085]

For a start i said SOME americans! not all, and with some of the posts on this thread it seems a few people have a problem with europe!

[tobynator89]

N085 wrote...

For a start i said SOME americans! not all, and with some of the posts on this thread it seems a few people have a problem with europe!

Well of course they/we do (norwegian here, which is only sort of halfway european these days. Everyone and their mother in the EU want us to be but we don't.)

We're/they're winedrinking, cigarette smoking, beret wearing, jew killing, artsy, bankrupt, superrich, healthcare system using surrender monkies in their/our eyes.


On the previous note I want the climax in ME to be in western norway, cruising around the fjords

citiescapes.ie/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/Norwegian-Fjord.jpg

using the mountains for cover while attacking hit and run style. SO THERE!

[N085]

I'm not even going to bother arguing cause frankly your not worth it, and for those who seem to have a problem with europe, We all come from the same place and we all go to the same place, Think about it!

[tobynator89]

awww, you're no fun.....

[Dragoncloud]

Just face it, europe is much more fun to invade, atleast we have experience with being invaded, so we know how to welcome a invading army. (not to mention that europe is a much more attractive piece of land to take then the other continents.).