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[SandTrout]

Aedolon wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Sister Helen wrote...

Did they paint a girl in a cheesecake pose on the Normandy 2 while I was not looking?

If only. But Miss Vas Normandy refused to pose for it.

A pinup of your LI on the Normandy? I must admit that a very small part of me likes the idea.

Come on, don't be so self-conscious about the size. Most women don't really care about that.

[P3G4SU5]

Wolf_in_the_Meadow wrote...

Aedolon wrote...


I'm pretty sure Alliance hasn't missed the fact that SR-2 looks an awfully lot like SR-1. Even the name "Normandy" might be a giveaway. Considering that the blueprints of SR-1 are probably a closely guarded military secret, don't you guys think the Alliance just might have the authority to confiscate the vessel? You know, galactic security and all that?

Superficially looking like another ship isn't proof of galactic espionage, and they wouldn't know about anything else unless they had already confiscated it illegally. I think it would be inevistable that companies would copy the look of the ship that carried the man that saved the galaxy.

lovgreno wrote...

The Alliance may just have confiscated the property of their enemy Cerberus, wich means that it belongs to the Alliance now. But we shall have to wait and see what he writers say in ME3 I suppose.

The ship, whilst for all intent and purposes a Cerberus vessel, is legally property of a legitimate company with no proven involvment with either Cerberus OR the inncident in Batarian space, as Shepard's involvement is merely conjecture at this point as it is pre-trial.

There is NO proof that ths is a Cerberus vessal unless the Alliance has already ILLEGALLY confiscated it and gone through it's PRIVATE databanks - and even this, I suspect EDI could get around.

I'm not a fan of Cerberus but seriously, if the Alliance have just taken the SR2 they're no better. I'm not saying they're as bad, but they're not better.

Who's to say Shepard hasn't handed the ship and the AI over to the Alliance for his trial as evidence to prove what he did to the Alpha Relay was necessary. Just as properties can be searched with a warrant, it's not too much of a stretch of the imagination that a ship can also be examined for evidence in a similar manner.

As for the Alliance refitting the ship, well, maybe Anderson and/or Hackett threw in some upgrades for your troubles and service.

I am a little worried about this talk of Shepard not actually being in command of the Normandy SR2 in the next game. For some reason I don't like the idea of being aboard someone else's ship. Call me a control freak but it doesn't seem right for a Spectre.

Modifié par P3G4SU5, 23 juin 2011 - 07:05 .

[knightnblu]

"I find it strange they took it upon themselves to confiscate it and re-fit it."

If you received a frontline aircraft with armaments from a terror organization that contained classified military upgrades, do you really believe that your government would let you keep it?

Regarding who is in command, that will likely not be Shepard. If the VS is now a Spectre, and I suspect that they are, the ship will be theirs and under their own command as the sole Spectre that remained true to the Alliance and didn't go AWOL, thus setting up some nifty tension between you and the VS. Also, as the ship is now alliance, don't expect any of the old Cerberus crew to remain with the exception of Joker.

You may get your wish and a return of the "submarine" feel with a new and improved ship that you and your team will use for black ops strikes. Otherwise, get used to calling the VS "Captain" else you may get yourself spaced again for insubordination.

[Weiser_Cain]

Wow, not use to my topics living this long...
See with the SR-1 it was a stealth ship and when that failed Cerberus chose to emulate it's design but scaled up.
Now I have to think that was a mistake. Even heading to Omega you were picked up. So it's not very stealthy. And I have to believe not as powerful as a true cruiser would be with it's upgrades. Now maybe the retrofit fixes the stealth, but we don't know. And if they took the whole thing apart why not just give him another ship?

Again, if it's going for more power than stealth then why not have a truly powerful ship that hangs back with a super stealthy shuttle (instead of the Kodiak 'flying brick') to insert the team without giving it all away?

[CannonO]

knightnblu wrote...

"I find it strange they took it upon themselves to confiscate it and re-fit it."

If you received a frontline aircraft with armaments from a terror organization that contained classified military upgrades, do you really believe that your government would let you keep it?

Regarding who is in command, that will likely not be Shepard. If the VS is now a Spectre, and I suspect that they are, the ship will be theirs and under their own command as the sole Spectre that remained true to the Alliance and didn't go AWOL, thus setting up some nifty tension between you and the VS. Also, as the ship is now alliance, don't expect any of the old Cerberus crew to remain with the exception of Joker.

You may get your wish and a return of the "submarine" feel with a new and improved ship that you and your team will use for black ops strikes. Otherwise, get used to calling the VS "Captain" else you may get yourself spaced again for insubordination.

But does the Alliance have that power? Take anything they want in the galaxy with no gripes?

[GuiltySource]

knightnblu wrote...

"I find it strange they took it upon themselves to confiscate it and re-fit it."

If you received a frontline aircraft with armaments from a terror organization that contained classified military upgrades, do you really believe that your government would let you keep it?

Regarding who is in command, that will likely not be Shepard. If the VS is now a Spectre, and I suspect that they are, the ship will be theirs and under their own command as the sole Spectre that remained true to the Alliance and didn't go AWOL, thus setting up some nifty tension between you and the VS. Also, as the ship is now alliance, don't expect any of the old Cerberus crew to remain with the exception of Joker.

You may get your wish and a return of the "submarine" feel with a new and improved ship that you and your team will use for black ops strikes. Otherwise, get used to calling the VS "Captain" else you may get yourself spaced again for insubordination.

I refuse to call the VS captain. I will burn the game disc before that happens.

[lovgreno]

Weiser_Cain wrote...
Again, if it's going for more power than stealth then why not have a truly powerful ship that hangs back with a super stealthy shuttle (instead of the Kodiak 'flying brick') to insert the team without giving it all away?

Yeah, I like that idea. A short range fast and stealthy bomber/troop transport thing perhaps? If you clear out all junk of the cargo bay and knocked out some walls to Grunts and Zaeeds rooms you could fit a rather large and cool looking ship there. Perhaps a vessel of some alien design for a change. The Mako tank can surely fit in some corner. Of course there will be a Mako tank. With a flame paintjob.

[lovgreno]

CannonLars wrote...

But does the Alliance have that power? Take anything they want in the galaxy with no gripes?

Not usualy, they are not one of the major players by far. But they can confiscate a very potent weapon from what basicaly everyone thinks are a bunch of terrorists. I think everyone who actualy counts would welcome it if anyone weakens Failberus in this way.

[Paul Sedgmore]

knightnblu wrote...

"I find it strange they took it upon themselves to confiscate it and re-fit it."

If you received a frontline aircraft with armaments from a terror organization that contained classified military upgrades, do you really believe that your government would let you keep it?

Regarding who is in command, that will likely not be Shepard. If the VS is now a Spectre, and I suspect that they are, the ship will be theirs and under their own command as the sole Spectre that remained true to the Alliance and didn't go AWOL, thus setting up some nifty tension between you and the VS. Also, as the ship is now alliance, don't expect any of the old Cerberus crew to remain with the exception of Joker.

You may get your wish and a return of the "submarine" feel with a new and improved ship that you and your team will use for black ops strikes. Otherwise, get used to calling the VS "Captain" else you may get yourself spaced again for insubordination.

I really can't see this happening, neither of the VS have shown even an ounce of the Leadership Shepard has and both seem to be in awe of Shepard so even if the Alliance have given control of the Normandy over to the VS they will defer control to Shepard.

Plus as the Reaper invasion happens at the start of the game I can see this happening:

Some point in the trial:
Random High Ranking Official: Sentient Warships have started an invasion of Earth!!
Judge: Considering this new evidence I declare Shepard inicent of all charges.
Judge turns to Shepard: You are free to go. Please continue about your business and stop these Reapers

[LemurFromTheId]

Wolf_in_the_Meadow wrote...

The ship, whilst for all intent and purposes a Cerberus vessel, is legally property of a legitimate company with no proven involvment with either Cerberus OR the inncident in Batarian space, as Shepard's involvement is merely conjecture at this point as it is pre-trial.

There is NO proof that ths is a Cerberus vessal unless the Alliance has already ILLEGALLY confiscated it and gone through it's PRIVATE databanks - and even this, I suspect EDI could get around.

I'm not a fan of Cerberus but seriously, if the Alliance have just taken the SR2 they're no better. I'm not saying they're as bad, but they're not better.

Citadel logs show which ship Shepard arrived in when he arrived to Citadel to re-instate his spectre status. At the time, the council was already aware that Shepard was working with Cerberus.

The Alliance confirmed the link in Horizon.

At the time of ME3, the Alliance is perfectly well aware that SR-2 is a Cerberus vessel. Cord-Hislop Aerospace is an Earth-based corporation, I'm sure the Alliance has authority to inspect SR-2 because of likely terrorist connections.

It's not like the FBI can't raid your home as long as they claim you're a suspected terrorist (assuming you're an American, that is).

[Aedan_Cousland]

Anything bigger than a frigate would be poorly suited for Shepard and his mission. He's an N7 Marine (Spec Ops) and a Spectre, not a battleship admiral. He often operates behind enemy lines so to speak, so his missions require both stealth and speed. It would be impossible to get in & out of anywhere undected in a Dreadnought or Cruiser.

[InvaderErl]

Warkupo wrote...

I felt more at home aboard the SR-2 than I ever did on the SR-1. Mass Effect 2 makes an effort to make the player feel slightly alienated from the ship with it's vast corporate differences from the original Normandy. As you continue to play however the bond you share with your crew, despite them bearing the Cerberus logo, only continues to grow until it far surpasses the familiarity of the SR-1. This feeling is only further reinforced in that the SR-2 has a living, sentient personality in the form of EDI who goes on to form a strong bond with the possibly the most familiar aspect of the original Normandy, Joker.

I agree with this.

The SR-1 just felt like a conveyance to me, ultimately lacking the personality of the great sci-fi ships such as the Enterprise, Falcon and imo the SR-2.

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Wow, not use to my topics living this long...
See with the SR-1 it was a stealth ship and when that failed Cerberus chose to emulate it's design but scaled up.
Now
I have to think that was a mistake. Even heading to Omega you were
picked up. So it's not very stealthy. And I have to believe not as
powerful as a true cruiser would be with it's upgrades. Now maybe the
retrofit fixes the stealth, but we don't know. And if they took the
whole thing apart why not just give him another ship?

Again, if
it's going for more power than stealth then why not have a truly
powerful ship that hangs back with a super stealthy shuttle (instead of
the Kodiak 'flying brick') to insert the team without giving it all
away?

It seems to me the SR-2's larger size was in order to carry things like heavier guns and was designed to allow easy upgrades and retrofitiing (hence all the upgrades you can make with ease) not to mention carry a larger crew and more supplies.


Not to mention larger engines = more thrust.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 23 juin 2011 - 09:24 .

[raist747]

Did they paint a girl in a cheesecake pose on the Normandy 2 while I was not looking?

Why not? Its making a comeback in US Air Force.

http://www.flickr.co...een/1425032589/
The Memphis Belle X

http://www.mrprophea...dd/b1nosart.jpg
B-1's and B-52's are famous for it.

[Wolf_in_the_Meadow]

Aedolon wrote...

Wolf_in_the_Meadow wrote...

The ship, whilst for all intent and purposes a Cerberus vessel, is legally property of a legitimate company with no proven involvment with either Cerberus OR the inncident in Batarian space, as Shepard's involvement is merely conjecture at this point as it is pre-trial.

There is NO proof that ths is a Cerberus vessal unless the Alliance has already ILLEGALLY confiscated it and gone through it's PRIVATE databanks - and even this, I suspect EDI could get around.

I'm not a fan of Cerberus but seriously, if the Alliance have just taken the SR2 they're no better. I'm not saying they're as bad, but they're not better.

Citadel logs show which ship Shepard arrived in when he arrived to Citadel to re-instate his spectre status. At the time, the council was already aware that Shepard was working with Cerberus.

The Alliance confirmed the link in Horizon.

At the time of ME3, the Alliance is perfectly well aware that SR-2 is a Cerberus vessel. Cord-Hislop Aerospace is an Earth-based corporation, I'm sure the Alliance has authority to inspect SR-2 because of likely terrorist connections.

It's not like the FBI can't raid your home as long as they claim you're a suspected terrorist (assuming you're an American, that is).

All evidence gathered thusly is purely circumstantial -
Shepard arrived on this ship and is rumoured to be associated with Cerberus,
let's take his ship even though a) He has been convicted of no crime and has of
yet not even gone to trial to dismiss the incredibly spurious evidence the
alliance might have, given not only the following point but also the fact that
there were no survivors of the Arrival incident to lead credence to the rumours
- even Hacket said it the evidence was shaky at best! And He's a Spectre and
technically could just tell the Alliance to get lost AS WELL as having
this status re-affirmed whilst the council was aware of currant affiliations
and so tacitly giving sanction to it.



Given that Shepard exceeds the Alliance's remit as a Spectre given full
council authority, the purely circumstantial evidence linking the ship to
Cerberus or Shepard to ANY CRIME, the confiscation of a private vessel - a
private SPECTRE vessel is outrageous.



If a) The Council revoked his Status, the Alliance have more of a case, but
they would only have the right to take ownership and modify the SR2 if Shepard
was found guilty - they have the right to LOOK and TEMPORARILY confiscate but
nothing more until he is found guilty. The equivalent of the FBI taking your
car and giving it to a family member after repainting it before you've even
been charged with a crime  - retrofitting isn't instant and given the time
periods we're talking about they  would have had to start the process
almost the same hour Shepard turned himself in for questioning.



 Shepard lost his damn mind and GAVE the SR2 to them, knowing the
Reapers were coming and nobody believed him and he might need it.  IN
which case he's a wildly irresponsible lunatic driven mad by the pressure and
NEEDS to be locked away for his own good - given the circumstances and his position
of Multiple Saviour of the Galaxy, even turning himself in for
questioning, as honourable as that may be, is almost moronic in it's possible
consequences.

Modifié par Wolf_in_the_Meadow, 23 juin 2011 - 10:10 .

[LemurFromTheId]

Wolf_in_the_Meadow wrote...

All evidence gathered thusly is purely circumstantial -

It's a common misunderstanding that circumstantial evidence is somehow invalid evidence. This is not the case. The Alliance may simply decide that there's enough evidence to warrant an investigation. And do you really think they will care whether the evidence is absolutely air-tight or not, when the truth is perfectly clear to everyone anyway?

Wolf_in_the_Meadow wrote...

Shepard arrived on this ship and is rumoured to be associated with Cerberus,
let's take his ship even though a) He has been convicted of no crime and has of
yet not even gone to trial to dismiss the incredibly spurious evidence the
alliance might have, given not only the following point but also the fact that
there were no survivors of the Arrival incident to lead credence to the rumours
- even Hacket said it the evidence was shaky at best! And He's a Spectre and
technically could just tell the Alliance to get lost AS WELL as having
this status re-affirmed whilst the council was aware of currant affiliations
and so tacitly giving sanction to it.

Given that Shepard exceeds the Alliance's remit as a Spectre given full
council authority, the purely circumstantial evidence linking the ship to
Cerberus or Shepard to ANY CRIME, the confiscation of a private vessel - a
private SPECTRE vessel is outrageous.

I don't think you'll find Shepard's name on the vessel registration certificate. It's a Cord-Hislop ship. Whether Shepard's a spectre or not doesn't enter into it.

Wolf_in_the_Meadow wrote...

If a) The Council revoked his Status, the Alliance have more of a case, but
they would only have the right to take ownership and modify the SR2 if Shepard
was found guilty - they have the right to LOOK and TEMPORARILY confiscate but
nothing more until he is found guilty. The equivalent of the FBI taking your
car and giving it to a family member after repainting it before you've even
been charged with a crime - retrofitting isn't instant and given the time
periods we're talking about they would have had to start the process
almost the same hour Shepard turned himself in for questioning.

When the Alliance inspects the ship after temporarily confiscating it, they will inspect it, confirm it's a copy of SR-1 and suddenly the confiscation isn't that temporary anymore.

Modifié par Aedolon, 23 juin 2011 - 10:51 .

[nitrog100]

I liked the SR2. Losing the SR1 was devastating, but when Joker turned on the lights and introduced me to the SR2, I couldn't help but choke up a little. It was just so beautiful. They better give it back to Shepard...It would be nice if they modified it with the intent to return it to Shepard in even better shape than it was before (kind of like if you've ever had something installed in someone's car as a gift). Maybe it's just a present....

Modifié par nitrog100, 23 juin 2011 - 11:21 .

[Nightdragon8]

in reality i think EDI/Anderson/Hakette are just holding it for you. getting rid of the Cerberus markings. I'm damn sure Anderson will pull any strings necessary for that to happen and Hackette. Hell I wouldn't doubt that he will be the one to hand you the keys as it where. And when the chips start falling (invasion time) i wouldn't doubt the the pencil pushers wont move fast enough he would lead the team personally and or mutiany right there on the spot saying get shep out no or else.

I get the feeling his that kind of guy..

[Weiser_Cain]

InvaderErl wrote...


It seems to me the SR-2's larger size was in order to carry things like heavier guns and was designed to allow easy upgrades and retrofitiing (hence all the upgrades you can make with ease) not to mention carry a larger crew and more supplies.


Not to mention larger engines = more thrust.

Larger engines don't matter much if you're changing the mass of the ship. The upgrades felt like a spur of the moment thing rather than the plan all along.
It's to make up for the ship not being designed as a fighter. I think that's why you loose important people if you don't upgrade. In a way you get a do-over, you weren't ready for the Collectors the first time and you get a copy of the same type of ship to get revenge.

***

Anderson's like the Dad I always wanted, he trusts me and he punches the right people.

[Jeth Prime]

I like the SR-2.... But it wasn't the same.... I'm glad the the Alliance got a hold of it though....Wipe all of that cerberus, scum off of my ship...

[Raiil]

I dunno, I prefer the SR-2 to the SR-1. It seemed less cramped and more of a home to me.

Plus it had EDI. And I love EDI.

[Davie McG]

Shepard has to be in charge of the ship in order to use the galaxy map.

Those of you who played the first game will remember the galaxy map was inaccessible before Anderson gave Shepard the ship, all be it he didn't have much of a choice.

The galaxy map has been shown in demos as useable by the player. Therefore it is reasonable to assume Shepard is in command of the Normandy.

[fenrya13]

Davie McG wrote...

Shepard has to be in charge of the ship in order to use the galaxy map.

Those of you who played the first game will remember the galaxy map was inaccessible before Anderson gave Shepard the ship, all be it he didn't have much of a choice.

The galaxy map has been shown in demos as useable by the player. Therefore it is reasonable to assume Shepard is in command of the Normandy.

There is also the possibility that if the alliance didn't get rid of EDI she will flat out refuse to answer the commands of anyone except Joker and Shepard.

[Davie McG]

fenrya13 wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

Shepard has to be in charge of the ship in order to use the galaxy map.

Those of you who played the first game will remember the galaxy map was inaccessible before Anderson gave Shepard the ship, all be it he didn't have much of a choice.

The galaxy map has been shown in demos as useable by the player. Therefore it is reasonable to assume Shepard is in command of the Normandy.

There is also the possibility that if the alliance didn't get rid of EDI she will flat out refuse to answer the commands of anyone except Joker and Shepard.

That would make me laugh.

Modifié par Davie McG, 24 juin 2011 - 04:41 .

[sympathy4saren]

I had thought a new ship was confirmed.

I hope it isn't a copy/paste money and time saver move