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[Foolsfolly]

I just hope we get another capable villain. Hopefully another Loghain or Master Li.

Crazy because the plot demands it is not interesting in the slightest.

[Ryzaki]

Foolsfolly wrote...

I just hope we get another capable villain. Hopefully another Loghain or Master Li.

Crazy because the plot demands it is not interesting in the slightest.

 

Another Master Li would be awesomeness and win. 

I loved Master Li. Old slimeball.  

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

DreamerM wrote...

Those crazy mages! They so wacky!

I can't even count the number of times I sighed and thought "Oh, [insert mage's name here], you so crazy."

Which undermines the idea that abominations and blood mages are there super-tough things that kills dozens in one go when they pop up like dandelions in the spring and go down more easily than the random thugs that attack you every time you leave the house. Were it not for Connor, I wouldn't have taken them seriously.

Also this. Abominations are laughably easy to kill. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 26 juin 2011 - 10:02 .

[Persephone]

Ryzaki wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

I just hope we get another capable villain. Hopefully another Loghain or Master Li.

Crazy because the plot demands it is not interesting in the slightest.

 

Another Master Li would be awesomeness and win. 

I loved Master Li. Old slimeball. 

^This!!! One of my fave Bioware villains.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...
Riiight. That's totally why people in Denerim are talking about how they lost their lands to the blight. 

One, who lives South, and like I said, by the time of the Landsmeet.
For most of that year, it stopped at Lothering.

Why do people never blame the Bannorn or Teagan and just Loghain, is beyond me.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Where did Gaider confirm that?

Loghain compelte defense thread. Too lazy to search it for you.


And now I am done.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 26 juin 2011 - 10:05 .

[Lady Olivia]

I'm too lazy to read up, but how the hell did "all mages insane" turn into talking about Alistair and Loghain? lol

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Loghain and his forces at Ostagar could've easily won that battle. He purposely set it up to be a failure.

Ugh, what did I get myself into. No, he did not. Gaider confirmed it.

Anyways, I am not going into the Loghain debate again for the millionth time.

On this we'll always agree, dearest KOP.

Hold me, I'm tired

[KnightofPhoenix]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Lady Olivia wrote...

I'm too lazy to read up, but how the hell did "all mages insane" turn into talking about Alistair and Loghain? lol

All roads lead to Loghain. This is fact

The probability increases when I, Persephone, Phaonica, CalJones or Costin (and others) are involved.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 26 juin 2011 - 10:10 .

[Foolsfolly]

First, to me it's obvious that the writers were trying to create a very gray, ambiguous situation where it's really difficult to say who's right and who's wrong. To do that, they had to make the mages look bad. Very bad

They didn't have to.

At its core it's about public safety vs private freedoms. It's like Americans placing Japanese civilians in camps during WW2. It's horrible, racist, and people honestly thought it was for the best interests of the public.

Here we have a group that can and sometimes does cause great terrible destruction. Just one or two incidents early on, with a big enough of a fire works display, would show the clear danger mages pose society.

What it then becomes is a debate, with no real correct answer, about what's more important. Is is more important to assume all mages are innocent until proven guilty, and thus they should be allowed more freedoms. Or is it better to protect the innocent civilians who have no defense against mages by assuming that every mage is potential threat and should be locked away from the general public?

Ideally, there'd be good people on both sides and bad people on both sides. But the argument would always be at its core, is it better to protect the majority at the expense of the minority or better to treat the minority as an equal despite the potential risks.

Done correctly, this argument would be so big, so interesting, and gray that we'd all be talking about it now. This thread wouldn't have slid into 3 pages of Loghain discussion. This forum would be constantly busy with new threads fighting their sides.

It was poorly handled. Both sides are idiots, both sides are led by insanity and chaos. And the game pretty much laughs at any attempt to have a rational opinion on the discussion.

In fact, the discussion is thrown away the moment Anders blows up the Chantry. It's no longer about freedoms or security it's about "do I agree with slaughtering a group that didn't blow up the Chantry" or not.

The game, and by extension the writers, never seemed that interested in telling a tale where both sides were correct. They wanted you to pick between one stupid choice or another...and then laugh and say both endings are the same.

[TEWR]

Let's bring Uldred into the conversation. That way we'll be talking about both Mages and Loghain!

[KnightofPhoenix]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Let's bring Uldred into the conversation. That way we'll be talking about both Mages and Loghain!

I want to back hand slap the old chantry hag that yelled at him in Ostagar.

[Ryzaki]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Let's bring Uldred into the conversation. That way we'll be talking about both Mages and Loghain!

I want to back hand slap the old chantry hag that yelled at him in Ostagar.

 

At least she didn't call him a heaten. 

I can't even play FemHawke because she voiced that c***. <_<

[TEWR]

I want to back hand slap the Chantry b*tch that called my Dalish elf a heathen.

[KnightofPhoenix]

It's 6 AM here and I just wanted to say. I love you all.

And no, I am not drunk.

[Ryzaki]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I want to back hand slap the Chantry b*tch that called my Dalish elf a heathen.

 

That's the c*** I'm talking about. Called my HN a heathen for not believing in the Maker. 

[Foolsfolly]

I want to backslap Elthena.

"DO YOUR JOB!"

*Slap*

[Ryzaki]

 

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...


Also this. Abominations are laughably easy to kill. 

All abominations should be very tough, almost boss battles. Otherwise, the only reason for locking up mages would be because... well, unlike random thugs they look ugly when they turn into abominations and seeing them in such a state would offend people's aesthetic sensibilities or something.

 

They should be. And yeah...when you have a harder time taking out a human thug than an abomination something is wrong. 

They might smell though.  
@KoP: You're totally drunk. Don't deny it. 

[TEWR]

Ryzaki wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I want to back hand slap the Chantry b*tch that called my Dalish elf a heathen.

 

That's the c*** I'm talking about. Called my HN a heathen for not believing in the Maker. 

I roleplayed Damaeus Cousland the same way, and the woman had the audacity to call him that. She's lucky Damaeus forgot to chase after Dog for stealing the murder knife....

[KnightofPhoenix]

Ryzaki wrote...
@KoP: You're totally drunk. Don't deny it. 

Drunk with your unimaginable grace and beauty my dear

hic


I am sooo tired and yet soo not sleepy. What a weird phenomenon.

[Foolsfolly]

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...


Also this. Abominations are laughably easy to kill. 

All abominations should be very tough, almost boss battles. Otherwise, the only reason for locking up mages would be because... well, unlike random thugs they look ugly when they turn into abominations and seeing them in such a state would offend people's aesthetic sensibilities or something.

It's also odd how mages are really powerful spell casters....demons are capable spell casters...they combine....and now they're extremely weak melee units.

....that's....that's intelligent.

And KoP, you're great. You're one of the like dozen or slightly more posters that keep me around. There's always a well though out post somewhere by a group of posters and it really helps keep the place interesting.

[Ryzaki]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I want to back hand slap the Chantry b*tch that called my Dalish elf a heathen.

 

That's the c*** I'm talking about. Called my HN a heathen for not believing in the Maker. 

I roleplayed Damaeus Cousland the same way, and the woman had the audacity to call him that. She's lucky Damaeus forgot to chase after Dog for stealing the murder knife....

 

Really. That's the one time a Shepard PAWNCH would've been appreciated.  Murder knife would've been awesome too but Shepard pawnch would've been comedy gold. 

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Perhaps we should rename the thread; "List All Those People You Wanted To Slap."

I think the list of all the people I didn't want to slap would be shorter.

 

Agreed.