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Doesn't making all the mages insane make the mage debate pointless?


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Foolsfolly wrote...
And KoP, you're great. You're one of the like dozen or slightly more posters that keep me around. There's always a well though out post somewhere by a group of posters and it really helps keep the place interesting.


Ha thanks, likewise ^_^


I want to slap Hawke. You all saw it coming.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...
@KoP: You're totally drunk. Don't deny it. :whistle:


Drunk with your unimaginable grace and beauty my dear

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I am sooo tired and yet soo not sleepy. What a weird phenomenon.

 

Ah I know the feeling. I always get it when I force myself to stay up just a little longer...and then my urge to sleep vanishes. It's...odd.  

And you do know how to flatter a girl. :wub:

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I wanted to back hand slap that Chantry banshee that claimed her followers weren't misinformed sheep when she just admitted to trying to start a conflict with the qunari under false pretenses.

 

Oh yes Peatrice needed  a good backhand. 

@KoP: Yeah totally saw that coming. :lol:

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Foolsfolly wrote...


It's also odd how mages are really powerful spell casters....demons are capable spell casters...they combine....and now they're extremely weak melee units.

....that's....that's intelligent.



Yeah. Maybe it's some sort of destructive interference: one top wave meets a bottom wave and then they nullify each other. Only this time they end up looking like cancer tumours who fight by flapping their arms around a little. I mean, seriously.


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Filament wrote...

I wanted to back hand slap that Chantry banshee that claimed her followers weren't misinformed sheep when she just admitted to trying to start a conflict with the qunari under false pretenses.

 

Oh yes Peatrice needed  a good backhand. 


I know where I would have slapped her....several times. :devil:

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Filament wrote...

I wanted to back hand slap that Chantry banshee that claimed her followers weren't misinformed sheep when she just admitted to trying to start a conflict with the qunari under false pretenses.

 

Oh yes Peatrice needed  a good backhand. 


I know where I would have slapped her....several times. :devil:


:sick: Really could've died happy without that mental image. 

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Yeah. Maybe it's some sort of destructive interference: one top wave meets a bottom wave and then they nullify each other. Only this time they end up looking like cancer tumours who fight by flapping their arms around a little. I mean, seriously.


Uldred: This is mages reaching their fuuull potentiaaal.

Me: *blinks*...well of course

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Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...


It's also odd how mages are really powerful spell casters....demons are capable spell casters...they combine....and now they're extremely weak melee units.

....that's....that's intelligent.



Yeah. Maybe it's some sort of destructive interference: one top wave meets a bottom wave and then they nullify each other. Only this time they end up looking like cancer tumours who fight by flapping their arms around a little. I mean, seriously.



:lol: Yeah...they don't even use any spells do that? What's up with that? 

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Ryzaki wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Filament wrote...

I wanted to back hand slap that Chantry banshee that claimed her followers weren't misinformed sheep when she just admitted to trying to start a conflict with the qunari under false pretenses.

 

Oh yes Peatrice needed  a good backhand. 


I know where I would have slapped her....several times. :devil:


:sick: Really could've died happy without that mental image. 


Curious, where did you think, cause I wasn't thinking where :D

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Foolsfolly wrote...

Crazy because the plot demands it is not interesting in the slightest.


All aboard the crazy train! Next stop, the Plot! Toot toot!

Lady Olivia wrote...

First, to me it's obvious that the
writers were trying to create a very gray, ambiguous situation where
it's really difficult to say who's right and who's wrong.


Yes they were, and crafting these kinds of no-win situations is exactly
where BioWare usually shines. What makes DA:2 so memorable, and why it
cost the francise, and Bioware, some credibility, was how ham-handed
they were trying to make THIS particular debate into the merky sort of
complex problem that makes you seriously consider your values.

The Templars have all the power over the CIrcle mages. Usually when we meet
a crazy mage, he's not a Circle mage but an Apostate, or a would-be
Apostate, or someone who was clearly pushed too far. And Meredith is a person who's "ferver" and ruthlessness start to be establisted as soon as your boat lands in Kirkwall.

The Mages are outgunned, outgunned, and their own powerlessness makes them desperate. Compare that to Meredith's lack-of understanding of human nature is unforgivable, as are the abuses heaped on the mages by her Templars. And it's hard to ACTUALLY see this as a difficult choice.

Modifié par DreamerM, 26 juin 2011 - 10:24 .


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I take it that most mages suck and get inhabited by weak rage demons (as opposed to strong rage demons, much less strong other demons) to account for their terrible combat prowess.

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Foolsfolly wrote...

Ideally, there'd be good people on both sides and bad people on both sides. But the argument would always be at its core, is it better to protect the majority at the expense of the minority or better to treat the minority as an equal despite the potential risks.

Done correctly, this argument would be so big, so interesting, and gray that we'd all be talking about it now. This thread wouldn't have slid into 3 pages of Loghain discussion. This forum would be constantly busy with new threads fighting their sides.

It was poorly handled. Both sides are idiots, both sides are led by insanity and chaos. And the game pretty much laughs at any attempt to have a rational opinion on the discussion.

In fact, the discussion is thrown away the moment Anders blows up the Chantry. It's no longer about freedoms or security it's about "do I agree with slaughtering a group that didn't blow up the Chantry" or not.

The game, and by extension the writers, never seemed that interested in telling a tale where both sides were correct. They wanted you to pick between one stupid choice or another...and then laugh and say both endings are the same.

Yeah, I agree it wasn't done well. But the bolded part probably wasn't what they'd intended. I believe their intentions were what you said in the first part of your post. They failed, yes. For some more than for others. I appreciate the intention, but I understand that it's not sufficient for everyone.

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Curious, where did you think, cause I wasn't thinking where :D

 

I thought of an adult spanking. :sick: With a paddle and chains. :crying: 

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Queen-Of-Stuff wrote...
Yeah. Maybe it's some sort of destructive interference: one top wave meets a bottom wave and then they nullify each other. Only this time they end up looking like cancer tumours who fight by flapping their arms around a little. I mean, seriously.


Uldred: This is mages reaching their fuuull potentiaaal.

Me: *blinks*...well of course


Uldred: Think of your raw power mixed with that of a demon's. You'd gurgle a few times and bum rush all comers!

Abomination: Gurgle.

Uldred: Yes, of course you're right. Unless your enemy has Mana Clash in which case you'll just explode and be a minor hindrence.

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Yeah, I agree it wasn't done well. But the bolded part probably wasn't what they'd intended. I believe their intentions were what you said in the first part of your post. They failed, yes. For some more than for others. I appreciate the intention, but I understand that it's not sufficient for everyone.


I actually wish it was their intention to make people laugh. It would have been an awesome political social satire.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Curious, where did you think, cause I wasn't thinking where :D

 

I thought of an adult spanking. :sick: With a paddle and chains. :crying: 


I give the impression of a sadist, don't I :devil:

Well I am not, I am a softy at heart.

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When Abominations don top hats, sport fancy mustaches, wear monacles and use canes and talk in a sophisticated manner, that's when you know you're ****ed.


Because then they'll fight you the way they should.



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Lady Olivia wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

Ideally, there'd be good people on both sides and bad people on both sides. But the argument would always be at its core, is it better to protect the majority at the expense of the minority or better to treat the minority as an equal despite the potential risks.

Done correctly, this argument would be so big, so interesting, and gray that we'd all be talking about it now. This thread wouldn't have slid into 3 pages of Loghain discussion. This forum would be constantly busy with new threads fighting their sides.

It was poorly handled. Both sides are idiots, both sides are led by insanity and chaos. And the game pretty much laughs at any attempt to have a rational opinion on the discussion.

In fact, the discussion is thrown away the moment Anders blows up the Chantry. It's no longer about freedoms or security it's about "do I agree with slaughtering a group that didn't blow up the Chantry" or not.

The game, and by extension the writers, never seemed that interested in telling a tale where both sides were correct. They wanted you to pick between one stupid choice or another...and then laugh and say both endings are the same.

Yeah, I agree it wasn't done well. But the bolded part probably wasn't what they'd intended. I believe their intentions were what you said in the first part of your post. They failed, yes. For some more than for others. I appreciate the intention, but I understand that it's not sufficient for everyone.



No one sets out to make a bad movie but there's hundreds if not thousands of them made each year.

I understand the intention, and I even respect it since so many of the ideas DA2 has are good. But for various reasons few of those ideas are as realized and well done as the Qunari plot, or the Saarabas quest, or the Magister's Orders quest.

These moments are too few and far between. And the overall plot (if DA2 can even be said to have one) is lacking; extremely lacking.

I like the ideas...they just didn't live up to their potential.

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...
I give the impression of a sadist, don't I :devil:

Well I am not, I am a softy at heart.

 

Heh. Surprising. 

ANd it's nearly 6:30 in the morning. I really should get to bed. 

See all you beautiful people later. 

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Uldred: Think of your raw power mixed with that of a demon's. You'd gurgle a few times and bum rush all comers!

Abomination: Gurgle.

Uldred: Yes, of course you're right. Unless your enemy has Mana Clash in which case you'll just explode and be a minor hindrence.


Well Mana Clash requires 33 magic. What are the odds of finding one of those in the mage tower? :wizard:

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...
Curious, where did you think, cause I wasn't thinking where :D

 

I thought of an adult spanking. :sick: With a paddle and chains. :crying: 


I give the impression of a sadist, don't I :devil:

Well I am not, I am a softy at heart.


....well, you did defend slavery for a few pages back there.... :unsure:

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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

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Yeah, I agree it wasn't done well. But the bolded part probably wasn't what they'd intended. I believe their intentions were what you said in the first part of your post. They failed, yes. For some more than for others. I appreciate the intention, but I understand that it's not sufficient for everyone.


I actually wish it was their intention to make people laugh. It would have been an awesome political social satire.


Get the eff to sleep you madman, so we can do the same.

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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
Sophistilax is their leader.


You're wrong.

Ser Whale of Sophisticar is their leader

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DreamerM wrote...

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Uldred: Think of your raw power mixed with that of a demon's. You'd gurgle a few times and bum rush all comers!

Abomination: Gurgle.

Uldred: Yes, of course you're right. Unless your enemy has Mana Clash in which case you'll just explode and be a minor hindrence.


Well Mana Clash requires 33 magic. What are the odds of finding one of those in the mage tower? :wizard:


Honestly, I haven't done the mage tower quest without Mana Clash since like my second or third Warden. If Morrigan isn't building up to it, my Warden is.

Cheap, I know. But Mana Clash is too good to ignore.

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Well Mana Clash requires 33 magic. What are the odds of finding one of those in the mage tower? :wizard:


Point. My mage has been training there all here life and she is still at level 1 with only three spells at hand when she's sent to the Harrowing :lol: