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[Skirata129]

I can't figure out why they would wipe out a bronze age civillization but not the cro magnon's on earth.

[George-Kinsill]

Skirata129 wrote...

I can't figure out why they would wipe out a bronze age civillization but not the cro magnon's on earth.

I strongly agree now with Lord Aesir, as if the precedent to destroying a primitive (pre-space) civ is if they had comprehensible contact with a space faring species, then it would explain why they are targeting the SB's species, as they had comprehensible contact, whereas Cro-magnons were simply put to sleep and brain wiped by protheans. 

[OdanUrr]

Well, when the options are "it's all one big hoax" and "we're all going to die!" there's really not much to choose from. They're in denial mostly because the alternative is too terrible to contemplate.

[George-Kinsill]

Frankly, I'll just lose it (even though i play as a paragon) if the council does not apologize, or something. You saved their lives, ad everything you say come true, die for them, only to have everything you accomplished pissed on by these scum bag politicians to scared to admit the truth, ad to incompetent to even collect samples from sovereign that would obviously prove its not of geth design and at least 100,000+ years old.

[Agamo45]

This makes me glad I let the Council die in ME1. Their own stupidity and apathy is a threat to the galaxy that must be removed.

[elitecom]

I think the Council is afraid of the truth, and the dangers of the truth sliping out to the general public. It would most definitely incite mass hysteria and panic if everyone knew that giant sentient synthetic starships were out in dark space ready to exterminate organic life. I must say Shepard handled that encounter with Sovereign well. Therefore the Council want to deny it all they can.

[TomHark]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Drawing from history, it took a lot to convince a majority of people that the Earth was round.

I'm not sure history recalls when or how this occured.  It's been known for thousands of years and most cultures appear to have worked it out independently.

OdanUrr wrote...

Well, when the options are "it's all one big hoax" and "we're all going to die!" there's really not much to choose from. They're in denial mostly because the alternative is too terrible to contemplate.

This pretty much sums it up.  People are very good at ignoring what they don't want to believe and it appears the same is true for aliens as well...

[Praetor Knight]

TomHark wrote...

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Drawing from history, it took a lot to convince a majority of people that the Earth was round.

I'm not sure history recalls when or how this occured.  It's been known for thousands of years and most cultures appear to have worked it out independently.

If the wiki is accurate, a round Earth view came from the classical Greeks.

http://en.wikipedia....wiki/Flat_Earth

[Nightdragon8]

You said that "there is enough evidence" but from what Anderson said most of the Reaper that attacked the Citdel was that the keepers and scavengers took alot of it away.

Also I"m not sure if there is a method of dating an organic metal sort of thing. Metals sure you can guess but organic metals with an unknown base would be hard to go by.

hey that would be an interesting thing find out that all those people who took pieces of Sovereign end up getting indoctrinated and also have the keepers sort of rebuild Sovereign maybe in a mini version lol maybe have it effect air quite guy =p

[Naughty Bear]

If everyone here lived in the ME universe, would you honestly believe an ancient race of ships cause mass extinction every 10,000 years  is coming and the deadline is next week? If i was in the ME universe and Shepard said they were coming, i would laugh. Seriously, i would think the poor soul has finally lost the plot.

If a mass extinction event was going to happen right now at this very time and was confirmed by Barack Obama there would be mass suicides everywhere, murders would be commited, rape and other horrible crimes would be made, society would crumble.

Anderson said something that is very true, who the hell would want to admit a race of sentient machines the size of the Dubai tower is going to destroy life? It's a nightmare come to life. I don't blame the council for wanting to ignore it but ignoring it all together is stupid, atleast prepare silently and behind the scenes for the worst to happen.

Who knows what is out in the universe currently at this very moment.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 23 juin 2011 - 10:52 .

[Heimdall]

InHarmsWay wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

I actually feel like I'm the only one who thinks the Council's conclusion is a reasonable one.

A: What evidence do they have of the Reapers, truly? Nobody else saw Vigil or the beacons. They only have pieces of Sovereign, good chunks of which were taken by scavengers. And what does that tell them? That Sovereign was a very advannced ship... That's it. Though, given it's company, it would be reasonable to assume it was crewed by AI, probably Geth. There is absolutely no evidence of a machine race waiting to come kill us all, that just sounds like a conspiracy theory. A far more reasonable theory would be that it was or was derived from a piece of Prothean technology that Saren used to solidify his alliance with the Geth.

B: In a lot of threads, I've seen people complain about the Council not trusting Shepard enough. The Council does trust Shepard. They believe he is telling what he believes is the truth. It would be incredibly irresponsible for a group of beings responsible for trillions of lives to take drastic actions based on the unverifiable testimony of one man when the theory that he was manipulated by a charismatic and clever former operative seems far more plausible.

The idea that Sovereign is a Geth is just as ridiculous as the Reapers.

Reaper material would be completely different from Geth machines, since Reapers are made from people. There would be a consistency of elements between all ships and platforms of the Geth. Not to mention that today's dating techniques would be able to tell that the Reaper materials would be much old than 300 years.

Also the idea that the Geth would only build one super destroyer ship. And don't give me the, "Well they might not have the resources to make that many ships." The Geth has all the Quarian terroritories under their command. They don't sleep or need rest so they can creates ships night and day.

And then you have Saren. By the Council's OWN CONCLUSIONS, Saren convinced the Geth that the Reapers are real and that Sovereign (which in another breath they claim is a Reaper) is also a Reaper and that he is a prophet of their kind. So Saren convinced the Geth that something they built was their god?

  As I said, all that can be proven is that the ship was old and powerful, perhaps something Saren found before his alliance with the Geth.  That doesn't mean it couldn't have been crewed by Geth programs, which would explain why the Geth have it, and it doesn't even confirm the existance of Sovereign as a true AI.  A single construct to place all their programs on is the Geth ideal, they may see such a construct as godlike regardless if i were crewed by their own.  All this seems more reasonable than Sovereign being an omnicidal AI waiting to trigger an invasion of his brethren to continue a cycle of extincions.

[xX N7 Xx]

 Personally in my play through I think they're so stupid that they'd have to be dead. Oh! Wait a minute...... 

[Heimdall]

George-Kinsill wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

I actually feel like I'm the only one who thinks the Council's conclusion is a reasonable one.

A: What evidence do they have of the Reapers, truly? Nobody else saw Vigil or the beacons. They only have pieces of Sovereign, good chunks of which were taken by scavengers. And what does that tell them? That Sovereign was a very advannced ship... That's it. Though, given it's company, it would be reasonable to assume it was crewed by AI, probably Geth. There is absolutely no evidence of a machine race waiting to come kill us all, that just sounds like a conspiracy theory. A far more reasonable theory would be that it was or was derived from a piece of Prothean technology that Saren used to solidify his alliance with the Geth.

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My problem with the cuncil is that they don't seem to do any investigating on this matter whatsoever. Sure, like you said there is not enough evidence to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, but there is eough in regards to Shepard's testimony and the fate of ever previous galactic civilization to make it a reasonable belief. Instead, the council act like Shepard is delusional and call him a crazy traitor. They could at the very least not caracter assasinate Sheard, which they do between ME1 & ME2.

Also, there is the footage of billion year old leviathan, a reaper, and there was evidence of Soveriegn being an ancient AI back whe Anderson was working with Saren. Like I said, not eough to prve it, but enough to deserve a long term extensive investigation, not air quotes.    

  Who's to say there wasn't?  I was under the impression that there was an investigation during those two years Shepard was KIA.  And that investigation turned up no evidence to support the claim of the Reaper's existance.  Saren took that evidence with him when he went to Sovereign BTW.  They say Shepard is delusional because they think he is still falling for the deception of a dead man and called him a traitor because he was working with a known terrorist organization.

[Wulfram]

I tend to believe that the Council do believe in the reapers, but are keeping that secret to avoid panic. Really, their determination to hush things up is excessive if they really thought it was just a loony theory.

I also don't tend to put much store by the planet descriptions - I get the impression that most are just bashed out as filler. After all, Liara's theory about there being any cycle of extinctions was supposed to be novel and only obvious after 40 years of research. Not blatantly obvious to anyone who looked.

[atheelogos]

Both the council and Shepard are dumb. They had all the evidence anyone would need in all their helmets. Ash had said everything they see through the helmets is recorded. Why Shep said nothing about it.... I'll never know...

[Heimdall]

Wulfram wrote...

I tend to believe that the Council do believe in the reapers, but are keeping that secret to avoid panic. Really, their determination to hush things up is excessive if they really thought it was just a loony theory.

I also don't tend to put much store by the planet descriptions - I get the impression that most are just bashed out as filler. After all, Liara's theory about there being any cycle of extinctions was supposed to be novel and only obvious after 40 years of research. Not blatantly obvious to anyone who looked.

  That's possible, though I think it would be in their best interest regardless to hush things up.  They want to avoid inciting a panic.

[Reapinger]

Skirata129 wrote...

I can't figure out why they would wipe out a bronze age civillization but not the cro magnon's on earth.

Cro-magnon man was 33,000 years before the bronze age. That time gap is a staggering difference. The bronze age civilization was 33,000 years ahead of us and with the rapid exponential progression of technology and science, they would have been far too prepared by the next reaping to resist having such an edge. It makes sense from a future threat standpoint and the gap is staggering.

[atheelogos]

Reapinger wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...

I can't figure out why they would wipe out a bronze age civillization but not the cro magnon's on earth.

Cro-magnon man was 33,000 years before the bronze age. That time gap is a staggering difference. The bronze age civilization was 33,000 years ahead of us and with the rapid exponential progression of technology and science, they would have been far too prepared by the next reaping to resist having such an edge. It makes sense from a future threat standpoint and the gap is staggering.

What bronze age civillization did they wipe out?

[atheelogos]

Lord Aesir wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

I tend to believe that the Council do believe in the reapers, but are keeping that secret to avoid panic. Really, their determination to hush things up is excessive if they really thought it was just a loony theory.

I also don't tend to put much store by the planet descriptions - I get the impression that most are just bashed out as filler. After all, Liara's theory about there being any cycle of extinctions was supposed to be novel and only obvious after 40 years of research. Not blatantly obvious to anyone who looked.

  That's possible, though I think it would be in their best interest regardless to hush things up.

Hmmmm Its in their best interest to hush things up and even though they know the Reapers are coming to kill everyone?... They are letting them blind side us.... to avoid panic?..... They are setting us up for defeat so mobs don't form...
Makes sense to me.<_<

[Wulfram]

atheelogos wrote...
Hmmmm Its in their best interest to hush things up and even though they know the Reapers are coming to kill everyone?... They are letting them blind side us.... to avoid panic?..... They are setting us up for defeat so mobs don't form...
Makes sense to me.<_<

How does causing mass panic among the general public help prepare for the reapers?

[Foryou]

Shepard: Earth is being attacked by REAPERS we need aid.
Turian Council Member: Ahh Reapers we still have that clam dismissed.
Shepard: Then what the hell is attacking earth right now.
Turian: All I know is that it's now Reapers.
Shepard shoots him in the head.

[Heimdall]

atheelogos wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

I tend to believe that the Council do believe in the reapers, but are keeping that secret to avoid panic. Really, their determination to hush things up is excessive if they really thought it was just a loony theory.

I also don't tend to put much store by the planet descriptions - I get the impression that most are just bashed out as filler. After all, Liara's theory about there being any cycle of extinctions was supposed to be novel and only obvious after 40 years of research. Not blatantly obvious to anyone who looked.

  That's possible, though I think it would be in their best interest regardless to hush things up.

Hmmmm Its in their best interest to hush things up and even though they know the Reapers are coming to kill everyone?... They are letting them blind side us.... to avoid panic?..... They are setting us up for defeat so mobs don't form...
Makes sense to me.<_<

  Mass panic doesn't help anyone.  It certainly wouldn't help them defend themselves.

[TexasNationalist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

TexasNationalist wrote...

Indeed, but I'm just citing one planet.  I've only barely started reading the planetary entries when I go on missions, and never realized what I was missing.  They have entries on wars between species, colonization, and political intrigue.  It fills in some missing information.

Yeah, I know. I've been reading them since ME1. I pitty you for ignoring them for all this time.

I didn't "ignore" them, I lacked an HDTV during most of my playthroughs of ME1 and ME2.

[Raiil]

I wouldn't call the evidence of bombarded planets and mysteriously disappearing civilisations iron-clad proof.

I would, however, see it as a reason to start doing some hardcore research. I feel like all the races have done thus far is just file the information away without looking at similar events. You don't have to use the Reapers as an excuse- the Protheans still disappeared, as have other societies and races, often in systematic ways, and that bears much more thorough examination than they've gotten thus far.