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Valentia X wrote...

I wouldn't call the evidence of bombarded planets and mysteriously disappearing civilisations iron-clad proof.

I would, however, see it as a reason to start doing some hardcore research. I feel like all the races have done thus far is just file the information away without looking at similar events. You don't have to use the Reapers as an excuse- the Protheans still disappeared, as have other societies and races, often in systematic ways, and that bears much more thorough examination than they've gotten thus far.


It's not the mass extinctions that's the problem, its the pattern of them in regular intervals. 

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Note that the intervals may not be that regular. The Reapers don't just pop by every 50,000 years. They wait until the Vanguard has perceived a space faring species of sufficient advancement. From the Protheans to now, that was 50,000 years. But that doesn't mean it was the average.

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Lord Aesir wrote...

Note that the intervals may not be that regular. The Reapers don't just pop by every 50,000 years. They wait until the Vanguard has perceived a space faring species of sufficient advancement. From the Protheans to now, that was 50,000 years. But that doesn't mean it was the average.

There was a planet with 3 million year old craters. 3,000,000/50,000 = 60 cycles

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Reapinger wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Note that the intervals may not be that regular. The Reapers don't just pop by every 50,000 years. They wait until the Vanguard has perceived a space faring species of sufficient advancement. From the Protheans to now, that was 50,000 years. But that doesn't mean it was the average.

There was a planet with 3 million year old craters. 3,000,000/50,000 = 60 cycles

  That's assuming that they alway appeared every 50,000 years, rather than, say, 30,000 years one time and 70,000 years the next.  Or twice with only a 20,000 year interval.

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No matter what opening text scrawls might say, I doubt that each cycle is exactly 50,000 years on the dot. Just because there was ~50,000 years between the fall of the Protheans and the events depicted in the games, does not necessarily mean that each cycle has the same period. Bear in mind that the Reapers' plan depends on the natural evolution of organic lifeforms. If the next batch of civilizations is a little slower in development, then the Reapers would need to wait a bit longer.

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Sgt Stryker wrote...

No matter what opening text scrawls might say, I doubt that each cycle is exactly 50,000 years on the dot. Just because there was ~50,000 years between the fall of the Protheans and the events depicted in the games, does not necessarily mean that each cycle has the same period. Bear in mind that the Reapers' plan depends on the natural evolution of organic lifeforms. If the next batch of civilizations is a little slower in development, then the Reapers would need to wait a bit longer.

  Exactly, and this makes it sketchy at best to form a theory of cyclical extinctions based off the intervals.

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Lord Aesir wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

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I tend to believe that the Council do believe in the reapers, but are keeping that secret to avoid panic. Really, their determination to hush things up is excessive if they really thought it was just a loony theory.

I also don't tend to put much store by the planet descriptions - I get the impression that most are just bashed out as filler. After all, Liara's theory about there being any cycle of extinctions was supposed to be novel and only obvious after 40 years of research. Not blatantly obvious to anyone who looked.

  That's possible, though I think it would be in their best interest regardless to hush things up.

Hmmmm Its in their best interest to hush things up and even though they know the Reapers are coming to kill everyone?... They are letting them blind side us.... to avoid panic?..... They are setting us up for defeat so mobs don't form...
Makes sense to me.<_<

  Mass panic doesn't help anyone.  It certainly wouldn't help them defend themselves.


(ultrasarcasticmode) yea because god forbid people work together to save themsevles and and produce more weapons, i can't imagine a time when people where united to face a threat to there livlyhood.... oh wait United States after pearl harbor, a very large % of manufactering companies switched to producing weapons for the war. And it helped. (/ultrasarcasticmode)

now that is out of my system.

They are there to keep the status quo. Which is a dumb Idea, because in reality what they have effectivly done is handed us over to the reapers. If they could convice a spectre to join there ranks with teh promise of "continued survival as slaves" then I don't see why it couldn't keep the rich and powerful plitions to join ranks.

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Lord Aesir wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

No matter what opening text scrawls might say, I doubt that each cycle is exactly 50,000 years on the dot. Just because there was ~50,000 years between the fall of the Protheans and the events depicted in the games, does not necessarily mean that each cycle has the same period. Bear in mind that the Reapers' plan depends on the natural evolution of organic lifeforms. If the next batch of civilizations is a little slower in development, then the Reapers would need to wait a bit longer.

  Exactly, and this makes it sketchy at best to form a theory of cyclical extinctions based off the intervals.


While it doesn't happen every 50,000 years on the dot (I thik this cycle was supposed to start when the Rachni invaded) it is 50,000 years +/- a few hundred. I know this as if you did the Keeper sq for the Salarian and Volus in ME1, they send you an email in ME2 that every 50,000 years they are sent a message that results in mass extinction (if you want the exact wording, look in your archived messages in ME2, I plan to do the same in a bit.) Regardless, 50,000 years seems to be more than just an average number, but the median at the very least.

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You said that "there is enough evidence" but from what Anderson said most of the Reaper that attacked the Citdel was that the keepers and scavengers took alot of it away.

Also I"m not sure if there is a method of dating an organic metal sort of thing. Metals sure you can guess but organic metals with an unknown base would be hard to go by.

hey that would be an interesting thing find out that all those people who took pieces of Sovereign end up getting indoctrinated and also have the keepers sort of rebuild Sovereign maybe in a mini version lol maybe have it effect air quite guy =p


I believe there is a way to get the general dat, as hen a science team found the Reaper "Leviathan - 'A living Starship', on Jatar in the Dis system" they were able to calculate it to approximitely a billion years old, and before more research could be done, the batarians stole it, but not before conclusive video footage was taken.

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@ Everyone who says Reaper threat must be ignored to avoid a mass panic:
While I agree that if the general populace was told about this, there would be chaos, but that doesn't mean the council ad alliance high command can't do secret investigations, or some other action on the side. Completely ignoring it is just stupid, as if it is true (which it is) everyone dies. And I know it was previously mentioned that these secret actions could be taking place, but Shepard is just in the dark, is even more idiotic! Shepard is the ideal person to head such an investigation, and if not, the council could tell him actions are being taken, but just to stay quiet about it, much like what Hackett did after the interview on the Citadel in ME1 where you could let it slip that Saren was responsible for Eden Prime. Regardless, I think such actions are not being taken, and the council is not taking the required steps to protect the galaxy in any way, and are failing the species they represent.

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Nightdragon8 wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

I tend to believe that the Council do believe in the reapers, but are keeping that secret to avoid panic. Really, their determination to hush things up is excessive if they really thought it was just a loony theory.

I also don't tend to put much store by the planet descriptions - I get the impression that most are just bashed out as filler. After all, Liara's theory about there being any cycle of extinctions was supposed to be novel and only obvious after 40 years of research. Not blatantly obvious to anyone who looked.

  That's possible, though I think it would be in their best interest regardless to hush things up.

Hmmmm Its in their best interest to hush things up and even though they know the Reapers are coming to kill everyone?... They are letting them blind side us.... to avoid panic?..... They are setting us up for defeat so mobs don't form...
Makes sense to me.<_<

  Mass panic doesn't help anyone.  It certainly wouldn't help them defend themselves.


(ultrasarcasticmode) yea because god forbid people work together to save themsevles and and produce more weapons, i can't imagine a time when people where united to face a threat to there livlyhood.... oh wait United States after pearl harbor, a very large % of manufactering companies switched to producing weapons for the war. And it helped. (/ultrasarcasticmode)

now that is out of my system.

They are there to keep the status quo. Which is a dumb Idea, because in reality what they have effectivly done is handed us over to the reapers. If they could convice a spectre to join there ranks with teh promise of "continued survival as slaves" then I don't see why it couldn't keep the rich and powerful plitions to join ranks.

  Oh sure, announce to the public that a race of sentient machine dreadnaughts that each take an entire fleet to destroy is on their way to destroy them.  Surely they will all take this seriously and put there differences aside to fight this unproven theat.  What world do you live in?  The Council would have to present proof if they wished to be taken seriously and there is none.  They would be laughed out of office and be replaced by politicians who don't believe in the threat and thus robbed of the chance to prepare behind the scenes, Thanix cannon anyone?  This isn't a foreign nation attacking soldiers, to most citizens of the Mass Effect galaxy, this would be the Council claiming there were bogeymen in space out to get us.  If they were taken seriously, mass panic would drive entire regions into lawlessness.  Nobody is helped by widespread knowledge of the Reapers, it only makes preparation more difficult.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 24 juin 2011 - 02:17 .


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George-Kinsill wrote...

@ Everyone who says Reaper threat must be ignored to avoid a mass panic:
While I agree that if the general populace was told about this, there would be chaos, but that doesn't mean the council ad alliance high command can't do secret investigations, or some other action on the side. Completely ignoring it is just stupid, as if it is true (which it is) everyone dies. And I know it was previously mentioned that these secret actions could be taking place, but Shepard is just in the dark, is even more idiotic! Shepard is the ideal person to head such an investigation, and if not, the council could tell him actions are being taken, but just to stay quiet about it, much like what Hackett did after the interview on the Citadel in ME1 where you could let it slip that Saren was responsible for Eden Prime. Regardless, I think such actions are not being taken, and the council is not taking the required steps to protect the galaxy in any way, and are failing the species they represent.

  I actually think that they may be preparing.

Thanix Cannon

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Reapinger wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

I wouldn't call the evidence of bombarded planets and mysteriously disappearing civilisations iron-clad proof.

I would, however, see it as a reason to start doing some hardcore research. I feel like all the races have done thus far is just file the information away without looking at similar events. You don't have to use the Reapers as an excuse- the Protheans still disappeared, as have other societies and races, often in systematic ways, and that bears much more thorough examination than they've gotten thus far.


It's not the mass extinctions that's the problem, its the pattern of them in regular intervals. 


It's both, actually. If it were some odd, but apparently natural, event happening at regular intervals, it bears more attention. If it's that many races/civilisations going extinct and there appears to be a theme of how they went (i.e. let's pretend they were all mysteriously fried to death), it should still be studied more. If it's both, then why the hell aren't people paying more attention?

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George-Kinsill wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Sgt Stryker wrote...

No matter what opening text scrawls might say, I doubt that each cycle is exactly 50,000 years on the dot. Just because there was ~50,000 years between the fall of the Protheans and the events depicted in the games, does not necessarily mean that each cycle has the same period. Bear in mind that the Reapers' plan depends on the natural evolution of organic lifeforms. If the next batch of civilizations is a little slower in development, then the Reapers would need to wait a bit longer.

  Exactly, and this makes it sketchy at best to form a theory of cyclical extinctions based off the intervals.


While it doesn't happen every 50,000 years on the dot (I thik this cycle was supposed to start when the Rachni invaded) it is 50,000 years +/- a few hundred. I know this as if you did the Keeper sq for the Salarian and Volus in ME1, they send you an email in ME2 that every 50,000 years they are sent a message that results in mass extinction (if you want the exact wording, look in your archived messages in ME2, I plan to do the same in a bit.) Regardless, 50,000 years seems to be more than just an average number, but the median at the very least.

  I don't have the game on hand but the wiki just tells me that the email says the Keepers 'wait for a signal' without giving a time and that it has happened repeatedly in the past.  I don't have exact wording though.

I don't think 50,000 years is more than just an average number.  I think it probably varies by up to 10,000 or 20,000 years.  Generally close, but not clockwork, nothing to suggest a definite cycle to the casual observer.  I've yet to see otherwise.

Modifié par Lord Aesir, 24 juin 2011 - 02:18 .


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Here's the email

From: Chorban
I hope this address still works. I promised to send you intel on the keepers if I found anything, and this is important. See, those scans you took? It turns out the keepers are bio-engineered...and based on my comparisons to some of that material from Saren's flagship Sovereign, they were engineered millions of years ago...by the same people who made Sovereign!

You may not understand how important this is, but it suggests that the Citadel wasn't really made by the Protheans! It may have been made by something far older, with the keepers as organic guardians. And what's more, based on my genetic readings, they're supposed to react to...something, some signal or something...about every 50 thousand years. You can measure genetic variances; it's a bit like comparing rings on a tree to see the drought years.

Whoever did this...well, around the last time this signal went off would be around the time the Protheans disappeared. And it's scheduled to go off sometime around now. If any old tech still works, they could have some nasty surprises waiting for us.

Just thought you'd want to know. Nobody here on the Citadel will listen to me.

-Chorban

http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Chorban

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It may also be that the Reapers do come every 50,000 years- but they don't always pick up a race to reaperify. If things haven't been going quite the way they wanted (even with technology developing in the manner that they choose, there has to be some variances, or maybe the races just weren't that genetically great), they might just come, nuke everyone, and then go back to waiting.

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Praetor Shepard wrote...

Here's the email

From: Chorban
I hope this address still works. I promised to send you intel on the keepers if I found anything, and this is important. See, those scans you took? It turns out the keepers are bio-engineered...and based on my comparisons to some of that material from Saren's flagship Sovereign, they were engineered millions of years ago...by the same people who made Sovereign!

You may not understand how important this is, but it suggests that the Citadel wasn't really made by the Protheans! It may have been made by something far older, with the keepers as organic guardians. And what's more, based on my genetic readings, they're supposed to react to...something, some signal or something...about every 50 thousand years. You can measure genetic variances; it's a bit like comparing rings on a tree to see the drought years.

Whoever did this...well, around the last time this signal went off would be around the time the Protheans disappeared. And it's scheduled to go off sometime around now. If any old tech still works, they could have some nasty surprises waiting for us.

Just thought you'd want to know. Nobody here on the Citadel will listen to me.

-Chorban

http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Chorban

  Still seems like an average to me.  I still think the variation is likely enough not to be clockwork, up to 10,000 years.

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Valentia X wrote...

It may also be that the Reapers do come every 50,000 years- but they don't always pick up a race to reaperify. If things haven't been going quite the way they wanted (even with technology developing in the manner that they choose, there has to be some variances, or maybe the races just weren't that genetically great), they might just come, nuke everyone, and then go back to waiting.


They might keep one reaper monitoring the Galaxy between cycles, and fortunately they dropped the ball with the Prothean scientists.


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@ Lord Aesir, yeah i think, maybe, that it's because the Citadel is simply being activated every 50,000 years by the Keepers for something (I picture something like Spyware), for the intervals, and with full control over the relay network, they can do whatever they want at that point.

They can wait for however long they want, or act immediately.

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 24 juin 2011 - 02:47 .


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Lord Aesir wrote...

George-Kinsill wrote...

@ Everyone who says Reaper threat must be ignored to avoid a mass panic:
While I agree that if the general populace was told about this, there would be chaos, but that doesn't mean the council ad alliance high command can't do secret investigations, or some other action on the side. Completely ignoring it is just stupid, as if it is true (which it is) everyone dies. And I know it was previously mentioned that these secret actions could be taking place, but Shepard is just in the dark, is even more idiotic! Shepard is the ideal person to head such an investigation, and if not, the council could tell him actions are being taken, but just to stay quiet about it, much like what Hackett did after the interview on the Citadel in ME1 where you could let it slip that Saren was responsible for Eden Prime. Regardless, I think such actions are not being taken, and the council is not taking the required steps to protect the galaxy in any way, and are failing the species they represent.

  I actually think that they may be preparing.

Thanix Cannon


While I was happy to see the Turians made te Thanix cannon based off Reaper tech, the Turians simply think it is Geth tech, and salvaged it for the sake of having better guns, not to be better prepared for the Reaper threat. It was an accidenta advancement, and as Soveriegn likes to say, "They fumble in the darkness." And again if they were siletly preparing for the Reapers, why would they be so hostile at Shepard for his continued belief in the Reapers?
Now that you mention it also, the Thanix cannon sould have given it away that Sov. was ot of geth desig, or construted by Saren. If it was, Geth ships would also have been equiped with Thanix cannons, especially considering how easy they were to install on the Normandy.

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Praetor Shepard wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

It may also be that the Reapers do come every 50,000 years- but they don't always pick up a race to reaperify. If things haven't been going quite the way they wanted (even with technology developing in the manner that they choose, there has to be some variances, or maybe the races just weren't that genetically great), they might just come, nuke everyone, and then go back to waiting.


They might keep one reaper monitoring the Galaxy between cycles, and fortunately they dropped the ball with the Prothean scientists.


Edit:
@ Lord Aesir, yeah i think, maybe, that it's because the Citadel is simply being activated every 50,000 years by the Keepers for something (I picture something like Spyware), for the intervals, and with full control over the relay network, they can do whatever they want at that point.

They can wait for however long they want, or act immediately.


It's given that they always perform galactic genocide every 50,000 years, but do not always create a Reaper. This is what happened to the Protheans. Once it was discovered that they coud not bcome Reapers, they were destroyed so new species ould inhabit the galaxy that could become a Reaper. Once the Reapers invade, they aren't just going to go back to dark space without commiting genocide. Tink abot it: The citadel is only activated when the Reaper left behind gives it the ok, who is in complete contact with all the other Reapers, which means the vanguard did his investigating. If the Reapers come through, only to go back out and leave the species be, then the afformentioned species would prepare for we they next come, possibly going extinct in plaes by means other than Reaper genocide. The nly logial conclusion is that the Reapers come about every 50,000 years (+/- a few hundred) as metioned by Chorbin, kill space farig species, and if possible create a new Reaper. If this were ot te case, the Prtheas would still be around or be a Reaper, niether of wich is the case. 

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Reapinger wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Note that the intervals may not be that regular. The Reapers don't just pop by every 50,000 years. They wait until the Vanguard has perceived a space faring species of sufficient advancement. From the Protheans to now, that was 50,000 years. But that doesn't mean it was the average.

There was a planet with 3 million year old craters. 3,000,000/50,000 = 60 cycles

Or 3 1,000,000 year cycles. Or 3,000,000 1 year cycles. Or 50,000 60 year cycles. Or-

You can fit any pattern on top of chaos. It's the same principal behind star constellations.


Moreover, this ignores that not all extinctions and intergallactic wars are the result of the Reapers. Even from the planet scans we know that there were actual galactic wars between species, and from CDN we know that a large number of planets didn't survive past nuclear weapons.

It also doesn't acknowledge that there isn't, in fact, a strict 50,000 year cycle: it's a general frame, but it's not an absolute. Even the current cycle is only 50,000 years from the Protheans because Sovereign's attempts to open the Citadel Relay from afar were blocked before the Rachni. But a schedule of 'intent', that would be a 48,000 year cycle, and the 50,000 would be an accident.

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Dean_the_Young wrote...

Reapinger wrote...

Lord Aesir wrote...

Note that the intervals may not be that regular. The Reapers don't just pop by every 50,000 years. They wait until the Vanguard has perceived a space faring species of sufficient advancement. From the Protheans to now, that was 50,000 years. But that doesn't mean it was the average.

There was a planet with 3 million year old craters. 3,000,000/50,000 = 60 cycles

Or 3 1,000,000 year cycles. Or 3,000,000 1 year cycles. Or 50,000 60 year cycles. Or-

You can fit any pattern on top of chaos. It's the same principal behind star constellations.


Moreover, this ignores that not all extinctions and intergallactic wars are the result of the Reapers. Even from the planet scans we know that there were actual galactic wars between species, and from CDN we know that a large number of planets didn't survive past nuclear weapons.

It also doesn't acknowledge that there isn't, in fact, a strict 50,000 year cycle: it's a general frame, but it's not an absolute. Even the current cycle is only 50,000 years from the Protheans because Sovereign's attempts to open the Citadel Relay from afar were blocked before the Rachni. But a schedule of 'intent', that would be a 48,000 year cycle, and the 50,000 would be an accident.

As I previously stated, the cycle is not 50,000 years on the dot, but +/- a few hundred, or if the Rachni example is true, +/- a couple thousand. However, Chorbin's research has shown that 50,000 years is the median #, and onfident enough to predict that we are due for another one very soon, i which he is correct, independently researched w/out Shepard.
As for intergalactic extinctions not being always due to the Reapers, all the extinctions mentioned so far just have entire galaxy spanning civs dissappear, with nothing other than the sam dreadnought class weapons craters. Of course the Reapers are not responsible for all the wars, but extinctions, yes. If they were not, it would be easy to tell. Case and point is the planet Eingana, where there was war between species (which did not end in extinction of both) as there star ships are littered all over the place, from 127,000 years ago (which makes since, as that would be half way through the cycle of these species). And this war was essentially a skirish over a single planet, and there is evidence all over of the war. Yet with the extinctions, they always happen around a time divisible by 50,000 (as they will be for the curretn time period since the galaxy is on the cusp of another cycle) and end in no trace of the attacking fore, only craters.
 

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You know what a statistical variation of 48,000 +/- X,000 years means, though, when you run through a few hundred iterations and then throw in plenty of white-noise? No obvious pattern. It's the sort of data cluster in which you only realize there is a pattern if you're already looking for it. Especially when we don't even know all the species that have been reaped: we know a bare few, and nowhere near enough to put a 'every 50k years' label: some are separated by tens of thousands of years (us and the Protheans), some by millions, and others by nearly a billion (Leviathan of Dis).  There is no signficant statistical pattern of 'someone dies every 50k' by the archeological digs.



For Chorban, that measurement is in part justified because he's both looking at the Citadel itself (the triggering device free from noise of false-bombardments/disasters), and already is inclined towards Sheaprd. For everyone else, however, the numbers alone don't prove it: if that interstellar war 127,000 years ago produced an extinction (or two), and interstellar wars themselves aren't unknown (this Cycle has had two major ones in one thousand years), you pretty quickly get strong diversions in the patterns. Get a row of a dozen 48k year cycles, and you're pretty far off but could be 'averaged' by an outlier on the long side. The extinctions aren't divisible by 50,000: they aren't the only extinction causes, nor are does that 50,000 actually mean much in actual application. And then there's the dead space in which no galactic civilization is known.

Moreover, you also miss an important aspect of the planet scans: these are exceptional individual planets, not entire empires of themselves. Multi-system runs of the same species are rare If you took the ruins of, say, London, you wouldn't necessarily have anything that pinpoints the existence of the British Empire unless you found actual ruins of those as well. A large part of galactic understanding of history is based upon that only Prothean Ruins are (with difficulty) as wide-spread as the Mass Relay network. Other species ruins were often singular, or limited, with no other existence: space faring doesn't mean galaxy-spanning, and enables all numbers of other extinctions to occur.

It's also important to realize that these empires themselves didn't last 50,000 years +/- however many: these are not long-enduring species who leave huge empires, but short flickers of flame in small parts of the galaxy. The modern galaxy's expansion is incredibly exceptional: the Council itself would only have lasted about 500 years had the Prothean sabatoge not worked, and Sovereign had to indoctrinate the Rachni. The 2500 years of modern galactic civilization is really about 2000 past the average: comparitive species would have been incredibly brief, and had far left of a presence to leave.

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Be honest: If somebody came up to you in real life and told you that the perodic cycles of extinction we know occoured here on Earth were due to an advanced race of organic AI's wiping out most of the life on the planet would you be inclined to believe them?

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ForumPortal wrote...

I'm not reading this novel.


I am not sure whether to laugh or cry--apparently a couple of moderately sized paragraphs is too long for anyone to read.