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[Labrev]

Not a matter of love/hate, these guys just don't feel real to me.

Thane: Bioware, you tried too hard. The assassin with hand-to-hand combat proficiency, biotics, light weapons and sniper rifle training all in one! But wait, he's more than just a killing-machine, he prays after every hit! He meditates in his quarters, he reads philosophers in his spare time, and he's even kinda shy around other people.

Thane gets a weapons-damage bonus of up to 50%. Only Zaeed gets a bonus that high. Everyone else, not even close. What the hell?

Oh yeah, and the idle animation: pop the collar, look down at the ground and swing around. Posing like some kind of sexy Calvin Klien model. <_<

You can tell they focused on this one character to be their new trademark badass. Hell, he made the damn cover despite being one of the signle least essential characters to the story. But, there it is. I generally hate it when people cite "cliche" as a reason to not like a character because, you could say that for everyone. But Thane is truly a bit of a cliche if any major character is guilty of it. Note: I do not dislike Thane.

EDI: I get it. In the Mass Effect universe, AI are not only sentient but even capable of some rudimentary emotion. It's a load of crap, but for the most part, I can go with it. But EDI overdoes it, so many times. "Given my readings, it (human reaper) must be MASSIVE!" ... "These scans reveal something REMARKABLE! (collector/prothean discovery)" ... "Mr. Moreau does not *trust* me!! Hmph!!" She may as well start crying after the crew abduction scene.

Grunt: Nothing you wouldn't expect out of an adolescent krogan. They are an agressive race, and he's young and excitable. But Grunt is hyper to the point where he practically wants to be broken in half. Tresher Maw? OMG not enough!!!! Aww crap, I got killed leading 2nd fireteam? OMG this is better than sex!!!!


So, there. Tear it apart.

[Raiil]

Garrus is on the cover of the ME1 box, and you can skip his recruitment. Both were most likely put on the cover to advertise 'alien', not 'resident awesome'. Both covers also had Sheploo and a female human. It's... well, pandering, basically.

And I found Thane's pop the collar to be amusing, mostly. Sort along the lines of Legion doing the robot. Yes, Thane is pretty typical of the cultured career killer. Just like Garrus is the troubled soldier, Samara is a knight templar, Miranda is a femme fatale... they're all a trope.

I'm curious as to what you'd want Grunt to be, that would make him feel real to you.

[Homebound]

they really coulda taken thane farther than they did..

Grunt's biggest flaw was being Krogan and how Krogans are basically the cliche warmongering savages, it wouldve been morre interesting if his conflict was coming to terms with the warrior race ideals of his people...

EDI reminds me of a story leanard neemoy once said rregarding his spock character and how he had no fanmail until that one episode where spock's human feelings broke out.


as for me, i got bored of Jacob. I mean he's a nice guy, if he was real he'd probably be that guy everyone likes to hang out with. but in the game, he just came off as static. Not to say all characters like that r bad but it would have been better if they contrasted his boring personality with something.

I loathe Ashley. Ever since i found out her feelings towards other species, everything else she said was sort of like this: www.youtube.com/watch
and she's religious which adds its own layer of stigma over her racism.

Modifié par Hellbound555, 23 juin 2011 - 03:15 .

[Conquerthecity]

Please tell me no one takes Kelly seriously as the so-called psyche expert. Everything she says is something any armchair psychologist could guess at.

[Seboist]

Mordin should have been the token alien on the cover.

[Seboist]

Hellbound555 wrote...

they really coulda taken thane farther than they did..Grunt's biggest flaw was being Krogan and how Krogans are basically the cliche warmongering savages, it wouldve been morre interesting if his conflict was coming to terms with the warrior race ideals of his people...EDI reminds me of a story leanard neemoy once said rregarding his spock character and how he had no fanmail until that one episode where spock's human feelings broke out.

One missed opportunity with Grunt was a mother/father and son relationship between him and Shepard.

[Fidget6]

I agree with you on EDI for the same reasons. She's too.... human to be a computer. I even found myself getting really attached to her, and not having the heart for my renegade Shep to be rude to her, which should NOT happen with a piece of machinery imo.

The other one I can't take seriously at times is Jack. She's like a rebellious thirteen year old that just learned how to swear. WAY too cliche for my tastes.

[CheeseEnchilada]

 Bioware stories are cliche, and so are their characters. What sets them apart from other companies is that they do it well.

I admit, I didn't take Thane too seriously at the beginning either. I thought he was too soft to be an assassin, a guy who just stumbled into his profession but had a knack for it. Then I heard his conversation about the batarians who killed his wife. How he made them suffer. That caught my attention, and made me think of the character a bit differently. Add to that his dialog after you fail his loyalty mission, and he quickly became one of my favorites. He clearly feels things very deeply, and is capable of some dark things. Much like the rest of your squad. And as for the collar pop, I agree with Valentina. I thought it was just a random idle animation meant to make us chuckle, like Legion's beatboxing and dancing.

With EDI, she's meant to replicate a human. All of that over enunciation is meant to endear the listener to her, make it feel like he or she is conversing with a human rather than a sentient machine. I do think she's developing some kind of emotions, like Legion, but a lot of it comes across as an attempt to get you to like her. Which obviously didn't work 

And Grunt? You witnessed his birth on the Normandy.  He may be an adolescent krogan age-wise, but he's been alive for only a few months. He's a child with an advanced vocabulary and supurb fighting skills. I'm sure he'll have calmed down a little in ME3.

As for me, the only person I can't take seriously is the refund guy. Two years man? Two whole years?!

Modifié par CheeseEnchilada, 23 juin 2011 - 03:05 .

[shepskisaac]

As many good qualities her character has, Tali's voice is just ugh. It sounds like a child to me, makes it really hard for me to take seriously what she says sometimes.

[AngelicMachinery]

I have no problem with EDI myself, though, I've always loved artificial life in fiction.

[TexasToast712]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Not a matter of love/hate, these guys just don't feel real to me.

Thane: Bioware, you tried too hard. The assassin with hand-to-hand combat proficiency, biotics, light weapons and sniper rifle training all in one! But wait, he's more than just a killing-machine, he prays after every hit! He meditates in his quarters, he reads philosophers in his spare time, and he's even kinda shy around other people.

Thane gets a weapons-damage bonus of up to 50%. Only Zaeed gets a bonus that high. Everyone else, not even close. What the hell?

Oh yeah, and the idle animation: pop the collar, look down at the ground and swing around. Posing like some kind of sexy Calvin Klien model. <_<

You can tell they focused on this one character to be their new trademark badass. Hell, he made the damn cover despite being one of the signle least essential characters to the story. But, there it is. I generally hate it when people cite "cliche" as a reason to not like a character because, you could say that for everyone. But Thane is truly a bit of a cliche if any major character is guilty of it. Note: I do not dislike Thane.

EDI: I get it. In the Mass Effect universe, AI are not only sentient but even capable of some rudimentary emotion. It's a load of crap, but for the most part, I can go with it. But EDI overdoes it, so many times. "Given my readings, it (human reaper) must be MASSIVE!" ... "These scans reveal something REMARKABLE! (collector/prothean discovery)" ... "Mr. Moreau does not *trust* me!! Hmph!!" She may as well start crying after the crew abduction scene.

Grunt: Nothing you wouldn't expect out of an adolescent krogan. They are an agressive race, and he's young and excitable. But Grunt is hyper to the point where he practically wants to be broken in half. Tresher Maw? OMG not enough!!!! Aww crap, I got killed leading 2nd fireteam? OMG this is better than sex!!!!


So, there. Tear it apart.

I agree about Thane but I just want to punch you repeatedly for what you say about Grunt. GRUNT IZ AWESOME!

[Ghost-Hack]

Thane was "meh".... I really couldnt care one way or the other, he had "throw away stereotype" written all over him.

The worst, to me, was Grunt.
he's just so.... gah..... god I hate him. Why couldn't we have had Okeer?

[Cutlass Jack]

And how about Joker? I can't put my finger on it, but from the moment I heard his name I just knew I wouldn't be able to take him seriously.

[King Zeel]

Honestly.


Alot of the aliens can't be taken seriously, especially the romanceable ones.


We got.

Garrus: the renegade former cop who doesn't want to follow the rules! and is suppose to be some sort of protegee type crap. He looks like a bald eagle with a scouter. his personality wasn't too bad, but I found his whole act kind of contrived. Then he became romanceable and then all believablity went out the window. In what foreign universe would a featherless bird with hindlegs find humans attractive?


Tali: I'm not even going to hate. Tali character was quite solid up until people decided she needed a romance path. Then it was like... Okay, I understand a crush, but who risks their health over that crap?

Wrex: Total badass. next

Liara: believable


Thane: remorseful assassin with some sort of lizard cancer. Not only is it not believable, its kind of cliche. I'm so tired of all these assassins being all budhist and crap. Real assassins don't give a flying jehova witness about empathy and other silly emotions. his character was unbelievable because he was inconsistent.

Grunt: also cool.

Did I miss anyone?

[Siansonea]

Hmmm, maybe in order to talk about characters I don't take seriously, I should first address the characters I take seriously the MOST.

Samara: LOVE Samara, whether she's a trope or not, I find her the most alien asari we've encountered yet. She's uncompromising, implacable, and resolute—something you couldn't really say about other asari in the game (Indoctrinated Benezia notwithstanding). And as an added bonus, she doesn't want to jump in the sack with Shepard. Sweet!

Mordin: On the surface, he's the funny, wacky scientist, a throwaway joke, a plot device. Then you dig deeper, and you hear about his work on the genophage. Okay, that's some depth. Then he encounters the female krogan corpse on Tuchanka during his loyalty mission, and he becomes one of the most incredible characters in the entire franchise. "Rest young mother, find your gods." Brilliant. And as an added bonus, he doesn't want to jump in the sack with Shepard. Sweet!

Morinth: She doesn't get a lot of screen time, and on the surface she's just a predator, and a plot device in Samara's loyalty mission, a dramatic foil. But she gives Shepard the opportunity to cross the line from "Renegade" to pure evil. And like all awesome evil characters, she's not completely unsympathetic. Again, she's not a boilerplate asari, she might be a "trope" in some sense, but she's counter to the pliant, submissive asari we were used to in the first game.

As for characters I couldn't take seriously, well it may be an unpopular choice, but I'd actually put Wrex at the top of my list. He seemed to exist in the game to be the prototypical "badass" with the snarky one-liners, and even his Virmire scene didn't seem to deepen the character for me.

Garrus is actually another one, unfortunately, though I like a lot of things about the character. It just seemed odd to me that he would abandon C-Sec so impulsively to follow a human Spectre. And the sum total of his character interaction in the first game was about chafing against C-Sec rules, and settling an old score with Dr. Saleon. Then in ME2 we get more of him making his own rules (and getting himself in the mother of all sticky situations) and settling yet another old score. Just seemed rather one-note to me, sorry Garrus fans.

Tali just didn't leap off the page to me in ME1, and she was so tucked away in the engine room I forgot about her for the most part. Then in ME2 her status as fan favorite put her front and center, and I admit I kind of resented that, since MY favorites, Liara and Kaidan, were nowhere to be seen. And I also didn't like the way her loyalty mission played out.

Grunt: Not a bad character, but just not a lot there. He seems more like a symbol of the krogan race rather than a character in his own right. I felt like there was a lot more they could have done with that character, but those things would have ratcheted down his "badass krogan" factor. For me, that would have been a good thing, but krogan don't exist in the game to appeal to me.

Kelly: Sweet, nice, cute, but what else?

Joker: I wanted to smack him the entire time in both games. Snark is fine, but Joker is kind of an idiot when he's not actually flying a ship. When he wouldn't abandon the Normandy, and got Shepard KILLED as a result—man, I just couldn't look at Joker the same way anymore. It's a SHIP Joker. Ugh.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 23 juin 2011 - 03:48 .

[Raanz]

I can agree with your analysis.

I would add Jack to that list. Did they just invent a character that fits almost every stereotype?    Angst is a wonderful thing.   The only thing that surprised me about Jack was that she appeared to be heterosexual.  

Modifié par Raanz, 23 juin 2011 - 03:36 .

[Capt_Flashheart]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Grunt: I got killed leading 2nd fireteam? OMG this is better than sex!!!!

LOL

[DoNotIngest]

I didn't really like any of the new human crewmates introduced except for Ken, Gabby & Gardner. Joker & Chakwas were still gold, though.

As for ME1, only one that really bothered me was Ashley, for the racist reasons. Luckily, that didn't bother me for long (though the ME2 made me facepalm. When did "I can't tell the aliens from the animals..." turn into "Humans and aliens, we're all just animals."?!).



Not that I really mind any of the characters. Some can be annoying at times, the only one that dug under my skin and latched on was Ashley, and that's fixed now, sooo... I'm happy.

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 23 juin 2011 - 03:44 .

[Zubie]

Mainly Tali.

Mostly due to the direction they took her in ME2 though. Especially when she says "Sorry we're late" during her loyalty mission. Major facepalm there.

[Terraforming]

I like Thane a lot (he's actually one of my favorite characters), but I think the mysterious terminal illness pushed him into cliche territory even more than the 'religious assassin' angle did. I know the writers wanted to use it as an impetus for him wanting to atone, but I didn't think it was necessary. I was also really surprised he had biotic capabilities and thought it was a little tacked on. I figured he was going to be a tech/gunner sort of like Shep's infiltrator class.

[young fox]

Kaidan and Ashley.

Absolutely boring compared to pretty much all of the other cast. Yes, even Jacob. I hope they're not given too much screen-time in ME3.

[Burnsbabe]

My number one is Jack. The covered in tattoos, no shirt, angsty like a teenager don't give a **** thing just comes off so contrived. I did see something where they were going to adjust her character in ME3 some so I hope that gets fixed.

Krogan in general also feel overdone simply because they're Mass Effect Klingons. But whatever. It's well done all around really. Yes, most characters are tropes, but BioWare does it so well that it's fine.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

Since I'm not very taken with guy Shep, the femShep I have are mostly bound to Kaiden or simply just on officer path. Liara in ME was intriguing but I thought she was too forward and too fast in her intentions. After one round of conversation, she's all attached to Shep already? I put it down to her youth, isolation and her first foray into the mind meld. She'd get over it. Hence, I was astonished to find that she went all out to get Shep back in ME2. I could hardly believe it, that's ... devotion. How could one not be touched by her statements? Kaiden pales in comparison to her, whatever was he doing when Shep went missing? Mope about for sometime and drown himself in his duties? If there was an option to question him on Horizon, I would have chosen to do so. What he said sounded hollow. It's terrible to think and condemn him so but dang, tis disappointing that he would just turn on Shep.

Liara is one character that has matured excellently in ME2. She stood out among the rest.

Garrus was chugging along fine. I was pleased to get him in ME2, it's like Band of Brothers thing. A comrade returning. Then the bottom dropped out when he became a LI option. LI? I thought it's a joke and never bother with it. It's very disappointing to find he has nothing further to say after his mission is completed. No further depth to his character? Doesn't he talk of other stuff? His family, home? Interersts? Pals beside the squad he lost? What little he dropped on his stints was barely enough.

Tali is .. well, Tali. So she gets sent off on important tasks now, that's a measure of her stature in the migrant fleet. As a person, well, there doesn't seem to be much changes. Dependable, one of the band. She came across with little touches of young Liara when she talked about sharing suits and was evidently embarassed with her confession. Even if there was an option, she's a BoB. Not likely.

Thane. As a LI, never even thought of it. Tis great to learn about his race, Hanar, his family and so on. These added depth to the character and at the end of the game, he's forming a good BoB bond.

The same goes with Samara. It was a pleasure to have her state that she would come for Shep when needed although that gave me some disturbing visions when she said that. Would she die, doing exactly what she promised Shep, in ME3?

I regarded Grunt as a wildband youngster on the loose. I can only hope Shep has a good leash on him.

Jacob's a dang bore. Enough said. As an LI, only if he's the last guy in the universe.

Miranda.  I have a completed guy Shep but no interest in getting him out of the mothballs, nothing much can be said except that he will stay true to Ash. .. and he's hardly likely to make an appearance till ME is long over and done with.

Jack. Same as Miranda. She's as wild as Grunt.

Modifié par Obsidian Gryphon, 23 juin 2011 - 05:00 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Oh look it's this thread again.