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[nitefyre410]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...



There, there, Fenris. Take a deep breath.

Now: Raiden: Don't take this wrong, but, ever been tortured? Ever been treated like scum? Ever had your mind  absolutely f*cked over? Ii stays with you. A bad past...isn't past: it's present. It stays with you every day, reminding you of how weak you were, how vulnerable you were, how easily they took advantage of you. You hate the ones who did that to you with everything inside you. Seeing them die, watching them take their last breath, would be a pleasant experience. But even when they die, the memories remain. SO you vow to never be weak again. you vow never to let people see your core. but it's still there...

It's still there, and when you suddenly meet someone who seems to care, you hate it. you know, just know that they're a fake. But as time goes on, you begin to realize...maybe they're not. maybe they're really good at heart. And, you want that. All your life you've been seeking stability, trying to make up for a childhood that felt like a constant storm on the sea. And they have it, in a way. You jump at it.

Does that make any sense?

 

Just to add  because I agree with everything you just said .   This said  hates feeling weak and vulunerable so they put an armor of rage or cold indifference but then its never enough because the memories simply remind said person of weak and vulnerable they really are .


now to how I can take serious...

The GOD DAMN  COUNCIL ... like seriously  WTF ... "Ah Reapers we dispelled this... "     that had to  the biggest  eye twitch of the game for  me .  So   Giant Space  squid  taking  over the   damn Citidal  was not proof enough...   *twitch*

Modifié par nitefyre410, 19 août 2011 - 04:23 .

[PrinceLionheart]

Jack was too over-the-top for my tastes, and her romance was rushed.

[Quole]

Samara. Her whole ridiculously stupid code makes me want to sterilize the human race.



 more so than I usually do.

Modifié par Quole, 19 août 2011 - 05:18 .

[FJVP]

No one I like them all equally, although I tend to ignore Garrus, Tali, Zaeed and Jacob most of the time due to their limited usefulness on combat. The handshake with Jacob before the SM was cool though .

[Ahriman]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Now: Raiden: Don't take this wrong, but, ever been tortured? Ever been treated like scum? Ever had your mind  absolutely f*cked over? Ii stays with you. A bad past...isn't past: it's present. It stays with you every day, reminding you of how weak you were, how vulnerable you were, how easily they took advantage of you. You hate the ones who did that to you with everything inside you. Seeing them die, watching them take their last breath, would be a pleasant experience. But even when they die, the memories remain. SO you vow to never be weak again. you vow never to let people see your core. but it's still there...

It's still there, and when you suddenly meet someone who seems to care, you hate it. you know, just know that they're a fake. But as time goes on, you begin to realize...maybe they're not. maybe they're really good at heart. And, you want that. All your life you've been seeking stability, trying to make up for a childhood that felt like a constant storm on the sea. And they have it, in a way. You jump at it.

Does that make any sense?

About drama. Earthborn Shepard had to fight for his/her life every day, for real. Nobody cared about Shepard's survival, there were no "test subjects" and attentive scientists on background. And still Shepard survived and had enough will to leave criminal life behind and start a new life. Something which Jack did not.

[nitefyre410]

FJVP wrote...

No one I like them all equally, although I tend to ignore Garrus, Tali, Zaeed and Jacob most of the time due to their limited usefulness on combat. The handshake with Jacob before the SM was cool though .

 

Bro moment of  awesome and one why I like Jacob -   his whole "Yeah  I'm screwed up but  oh well got **** to kill gotta keep it movin'"

[Clayless]

While I don't really like Thane either, you can't really complain about how alien the stuff he does is, seeing as though he's, well, an alien.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 19 août 2011 - 12:44 .

[RPGmom28]

I'm not really sure why people don't like Jacob. The whole "random male human" thing doesn't really make sense when you consider that he does have a pretty interesting history in saving the Citadel secretly and all of that. He's respectful to Shepard and dependable. And the whole thing with him being black, so what. In the novels it's mentioned that humanity has gradually gravitated toward darker skin and that pale, light haired people are a rarity. I'm interested to see where his storyline goes in ME3. Maybe his past will be fleshed out more- and he'll have to choose a side in regards to Shepard. Since I have several Shepards that romanced him, I'll have a chance to find out first hand.

[andres lars]

i like grunt for some reason dont know why

[Unpleasant Implications]

Jack was way past psycho and seemed more like a liability than an asset, especially with her ties to Cerberus. I understand how strong her biotics are but REALLY? Is a strong biotic worth the risk of damage to the ship or crew from giving her an answer she doesn't like? I was okay with her up until her confrontation with Miranda. She just went up there looking for a fight. Neither I nor my Shepard can condone that sort of destructive behavior from the crew.

Tali is just a walking codex. I don't see her as a character as much as I see her as codex entries with a different voice setting.

[LaWoods]

I don't like Zaeed personally, I don't HATE him, just dislike him. His face feels...very still. I like some of his lines, but overall I don't like him all too much.

[Manic Sheep]

Wizz wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Now: Raiden: Don't take this wrong, but, ever been tortured? Ever been treated like scum? Ever had your mind  absolutely f*cked over? Ii stays with you. A bad past...isn't past: it's present. It stays with you every day, reminding you of how weak you were, how vulnerable you were, how easily they took advantage of you. You hate the ones who did that to you with everything inside you. Seeing them die, watching them take their last breath, would be a pleasant experience. But even when they die, the memories remain. SO you vow to never be weak again. you vow never to let people see your core. but it's still there...

It's still there, and when you suddenly meet someone who seems to care, you hate it. you know, just know that they're a fake. But as time goes on, you begin to realize...maybe they're not. maybe they're really good at heart. And, you want that. All your life you've been seeking stability, trying to make up for a childhood that felt like a constant storm on the sea. And they have it, in a way. You jump at it.

Does that make any sense?

About drama. Earthborn Shepard had to fight for his/her life every day, for real. Nobody cared about Shepard's survival, there were no "test subjects" and attentive scientists on background. And still Shepard survived and had enough will to leave criminal life behind and start a new life. Something which Jack did not.

She taken as a child, confined to a facility, heavily tortured and experimented on and escaped only to get betrayed and exploited over and over and over again. The few people she did care about (that one colony and the guy she was in love with) die and she gets sent to a prison that tortures and sells inmates.

Her background is a tad worse than earthborn shepards.Tho she is OTT.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 19 août 2011 - 09:01 .

[tvr321]

IsaacShep wrote...

As many good qualities her character has, Tali's voice is just ugh. It sounds like a child to me, makes it really hard for me to take seriously what she says sometimes.

http://pichars.org/s...original_t1A2X.

[JoeLaTurkey]

Grunt is seriously misunderstood. I think he's one of the deepest characters - he comes out of the tank realising Okeer's imprint has failed and tries to carve out a destiny of his own.

Grunt doesn't want to just be the trophy of a dead Warlord - a tool used against Okeer's enemies; he wants to forge his own legend.

Despite the failure of Okeer's imprint, Grunt is still imbued with the prejudices and violent tendencies of his people. He sees humans (among many other species) as 'soft' and 'hates turians.'

As he adventures with Shepard, Grunt finds his prejudices challenged (as Morrigan found her ideals of love and loyalty challenged by the Warden - though this is optional) eventually he declares Shepard to be his Battlemaster - saying he has 'no match.' He also considers the SR-2 squad and crew his 'clan.' That's some serious character development.

[Homey C-Dawg]

The problem with Jack is the believability factor of her role in the story rather than her plight. I like Jack as a character. Her story is tragic and her arc actually left her changed (not to mention she has the most attractive face of any ME character IMO).

However she probably should have been taken to a recovery center like where Archer's brother was sent instead of on a suicide mission where her issues, valid as they may be, could endanger a mission that is vital to the survival of the human race.

As much as I empathize with her emotional situation, it just doesn't seem like she belongs in ME2's story. That's my reason anyway for her being at the top of my unbelievable scale.

[Golden Owl]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

The problem with Jack is the believability factor of her role in the story rather than her plight. I like Jack as a character. Her story is tragic and her arc actually left her changed (not to mention she has the most attractive face of any ME character IMO).

However she probably should have been taken to a recovery center like where Archer's brother was sent instead of on a suicide mission where her issues, valid as they may be, could endanger a mission that is vital to the survival of the human race.

As much as I empathize with her emotional situation, it just doesn't seem like she belongs in ME2's story. That's my reason anyway for her being at the top of my unbelievable scale.

You have great points Homey

[eternalnightmare13]

Joker: I wanted to smack him the entire time in both games. Snark is fine, but Joker is kind of an idiot when he's not actually flying a ship. When he wouldn't abandon the Normandy, and got Shepard KILLED as a result—man, I just couldn't look at Joker the same way anymore. It's a SHIP Joker. Ugh.

It especially pissed me off in 2 during the mission where you go on the Collector ship and at one point when the **** is hitting the fan Joker says ''I'm not losing another Normandy!''  I was like, "**** you, ******! You got me killed last time. I'm not getting killed because of you, again!''

[Srsface]

Tali. I know she's uber-popular and stuff, but her character has always really bugged me because as far as I can see, SHE DOESN'T HAVE ONE. Now, I like the Quarians. I think they have an interesting history, their whole biological dilemma is intriguing, and they have a nice political situation going with the Geth. Cool, I'm interested. But it seems like everything that Tali ever talking about is being a Quarian. What the flotilla is like, what it's like being in an exo suit all the time, what a Pilgrimage is like. These are all interesting, but these are Quarian things, not Tali things. It's like Tali's defining characteristic is that she is a Quarian, and I never really got the sense that her character much depth beyond that. Wrex and Garrus both seemed to have a real history, they actually seemed to be real people. Wrex talked about the Krogan and their history quite a bit, but he actually had views and opinions, while Tali just talks about what it's like being a Quarian. Liara showed shades of what I've been talking about, but the difference here is that she actually has interests beyond being an Asari, and talking about them. She has more than a passing interest in the Protheans, seemed to have an interest in humans, and has been studying and been isolated from the world these last few years, which is quite different than the vast majority of Asari her age. Her character is a bit weak, but at least it goes beyond "the Asari squadmate."

What I guess really annoys me with Tali, is how she's forced on you, and then never does anything. Garrus and Wrex don't really do much for the plot after they're recruited, but they are optional. Tali is not, yet after you recruit this teenager, she never does anything for the plot again. Maybe she makes a few comments in the comm room, but for a required squadmate, Bioware couldn't have given her anything to do besides give you exposition on the Quarians? Her capabilities aren't convincing either. She's apparently some Engineer prodigy, but besides a few comments about how good she is with the ship (which, again, is more of a Quarian thing, the knack for these kinds of things), I never really got that impression. Kaidan and Ashley are career soldiers, Wrex is an experienced mercenary, and we see Garrus demonstrate his stealth and aim when he rescues Michel. Tali...detonated something in the alley I think? Been a while since I've played, but it didn't really have the desired impact if that little scene's purpose was to demonstrate her engineering aptitude. This is a problem, I think, because she really needs a scene to establish her as a badass, or demonstrate that she's exceptional with machines, or SOMETHING.

A bit long winded, but anyway, Tali's character has always just bugged me, and I really don't see why people just get so rabid about her. I've just always felt her character has nothing going for except for the fact that she's a Quarian. I guess she's mentions her father and his position every once in a while, but I never really got a feel for what made Tali interesting AMONGST Quarians. I could forgive this if she felt like the Engineer prodigy she supposedly is, but I never really got the impression beyond other characters praising her or the codex that this was the case. Then she's handpicked by TIM as a prime candidate for recruitment, and she still just feels off. The very least we could've seen is a little cutscene of her demolishing a few Geth, but we don't even see that. Overall, she is the "Quarian squadmate" and her character to me never really takes root beyond that.

[spurkis]

Tali. Too childish and dumb.

Jack - annoying and ****y. I would've let her die aboard the prison ship if I could, or even better, sell her to the highest bidder.

Kasumi. Like Tali, too childish and silly. It's like the developers wanted to squeeze in a cosy japanese character to lighten things up. Ramen... bah. "You and [insert LI] are so cute together!!" BAH! That said, her loyalty mission is brilliant and she is much less annoying during it.

80% of the named crew members also bug me. The soft Kelly, the obligatory Scottish Engineer, etc.

[Ahriman]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...
Having no one care is much better than having people trying to break you. Trust me. Not saying Shepard is weak or anything, but...mental pain, which Jack seems to have, is a million times worse than physical problems. As said, physical problems can be overcome, like Shepard's. However, mental pain requires you stare down the demon inside you, that you face yourself.

(being a tad dramatic with that last term...it's kind of just a phrase. Don't get worried.)

I don't particularly like Jack, myself, I think because her response to her situation is basicall the opposite of me. But I do recognize that she's due some slack.

They didn't try to break her, they cultivated hate and murder instincts. They needed killing machine, not broken psycho.
Street gangs do the same, except that it's much difficult to escape when there is no walls. Also when Jack escaped from that hell, she became a criminal. Voluntarily.

[Golden Owl]

spurkis wrote...

Tali. Too childish and dumb.

Jack - annoying and ****y. I would've let her die aboard the prison ship if I could, or even better, sell her to the highest bidder.

Kasumi. Like Tali, too childish and silly. It's like the developers wanted to squeeze in a cosy japanese character to lighten things up. Ramen... bah. "You and [insert LI] are so cute together!!" BAH! That said, her loyalty mission is brilliant and she is much less annoying during it.

80% of the named crew members also bug me. The soft Kelly, the obligatory Scottish Engineer, etc.

Beats the hell out of the usual snarky or ruthless fem squad Shep has.