Haven't played with a femshep, but I guess you're right. Still, Kasumi's cuddly attitude feels out of place.
Characters I can't take seriously.
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Posté 20 août 2011 - 07:57
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Tali. I know she's uber-popular and stuff, but her character has always really bugged me because as far as I can see, SHE DOESN'T HAVE ONE. Now, I like the Quarians. I think they have an interesting history, their whole biological dilemma is intriguing, and they have a nice political situation going with the Geth. Cool, I'm interested. But it seems like everything that Tali ever talking about is being a Quarian. What the flotilla is like, what it's like being in an exo suit all the time, what a Pilgrimage is like. These are all interesting, but these are Quarian things, not Tali things. It's like Tali's defining characteristic is that she is a Quarian, and I never really got the sense that her character much depth beyond that. Wrex and Garrus both seemed to have a real history, they actually seemed to be real people. Wrex talked about the Krogan and their history quite a bit, but he actually had views and opinions, while Tali just talks about what it's like being a Quarian. Liara showed shades of what I've been talking about, but the difference here is that she actually has interests beyond being an Asari, and talking about them. She has more than a passing interest in the Protheans, seemed to have an interest in humans, and has been studying and been isolated from the world these last few years, which is quite different than the vast majority of Asari her age. Her character is a bit weak, but at least it goes beyond "the Asari squadmate."
What I guess really annoys me with Tali, is how she's forced on you, and then never does anything. Garrus and Wrex don't really do much for the plot after they're recruited, but they are optional. Tali is not, yet after you recruit this teenager, she never does anything for the plot again. Maybe she makes a few comments in the comm room, but for a required squadmate, Bioware couldn't have given her anything to do besides give you exposition on the Quarians? Her capabilities aren't convincing either. She's apparently some Engineer prodigy, but besides a few comments about how good she is with the ship (which, again, is more of a Quarian thing, the knack for these kinds of things), I never really got that impression. Kaidan and Ashley are career soldiers, Wrex is an experienced mercenary, and we see Garrus demonstrate his stealth and aim when he rescues Michel. Tali...detonated something in the alley I think? Been a while since I've played, but it didn't really have the desired impact if that little scene's purpose was to demonstrate her engineering aptitude. This is a problem, I think, because she really needs a scene to establish her as a badass, or demonstrate that she's exceptional with machines, or SOMETHING.
A bit long winded, but anyway, Tali's character has always just bugged me, and I really don't see why people just get so rabid about her. I've just always felt her character has nothing going for except for the fact that she's a Quarian. I guess she's mentions her father and his position every once in a while, but I never really got a feel for what made Tali interesting AMONGST Quarians. I could forgive this if she felt like the Engineer prodigy she supposedly is, but I never really got the impression beyond other characters praising her or the codex that this was the case. Then she's handpicked by TIM as a prime candidate for recruitment, and she still just feels off. The very least we could've seen is a little cutscene of her demolishing a few Geth, but we don't even see that. Overall, she is the "Quarian squadmate" and her character to me never really takes root beyond that.
Couldn't express it better.
Also, known as "Tali is the walking codex". Sad, but true. Her loyality mission at least gives us something to care about. But after all she is just a few codex entries with "I'm so in love with you, I'll take herbs and antibiotics and lets have sex" option.
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Posté 20 août 2011 - 10:46
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hahahaha if you buy the alternate outfit pack thane looks like hes from the matrix lol
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Posté 20 août 2011 - 11:57
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Lol Thane...yeah they actually asked the females at BW their opinions on a possible LI...they must have read all the twilight books.
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Posté 21 août 2011 - 12:15
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I never paid Jacob much attention. He just always seemed... flat to me, a little bland. Someone on another thread suggested using him on missions, since that fleshed his character out more. Well, I did that, and I'm pretty sure I hate him now. Where he's not boring, he whines. He complains about living conditions in a slum on Omega. He complains about asari having bars on Illium. He complains about people living their lives on the Citadel. I get it, he's idealistic. He wants to save the galaxy and have everyone live in a perfect utopia. But even if it were possible, ****ing isn't going to get you there.RPGmom28 wrote...
I'm not really sure why people don't like Jacob. The whole "random male human" thing doesn't really make sense when you consider that he does have a pretty interesting history in saving the Citadel secretly and all of that. He's respectful to Shepard and dependable. And the whole thing with him being black, so what. In the novels it's mentioned that humanity has gradually gravitated toward darker skin and that pale, light haired people are a rarity. I'm interested to see where his storyline goes in ME3. Maybe his past will be fleshed out more- and he'll have to choose a side in regards to Shepard. Since I have several Shepards that romanced him, I'll have a chance to find out first hand.
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Posté 21 août 2011 - 12:23
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spurkis wrote...
Haven't played with a femshep, but I guess you're right. Still, Kasumi's cuddly attitude feels out of place.
In reference to the females in the squad, not femShep herself....I haven't played a femShep either....I find the light hearted, cuddly refreshing myself...but the beauty of the squads is the effect they have on us individual players...one mans rose is another mans thorn, etc...very well written.
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Posté 21 août 2011 - 01:49
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@ Valentia X
You must have bad vision... the cover of Mass Effect 1 is Saren... another tip to that OBVIOUS FACT is that there is a Geth squad around him
I beleive the characters are fine the way they are...
As far as Thane goes there have been plenty of movie characters that behave they way he does as an assasin... religious, polite, refined, deadly, versed with multiple killing tools... starting with old school characters: Zorro, the 3 Musketeers, Robin Hood, .... Comic Book Characters: Moon Knight, Iron Fist.... movies: The Professional, Mr. Miyagi in Karate Kid.... video games: Assasins Creed, Too Human (to an extent) .... the argument that Thane is lacking is flawed.... its an old charcter archetype passed down from old stories and rewritten into new characters...
EDI: I like her for an AI that is not Homicidal or bent on ruling the universe. She is funny at times and is a great addition to the Normandy..... without her Shep would have been killed.... twice in ME2. I also read the books and I know whats comming and I thank god EDI is on Shep's side..... also how can you go wrong with an AI with a sense of humor?..... if you dont believe me go to Earth's solar system in ME2 and toss a few probes at Uranus
Jacob: Is a nice guy with his head on straight and gets the job done... If everyone in my life was like Grunt, Zaeed, or Jack I would have either blown my F****** head off a long time ago.... or became a serial killer just to get rid of the DRAMA.... everyone has a family member or a friend that is stable and very rarely if ever brings DRAMA into your life.... and that is Jacob.... I know he is not exciting as far as the story goes..... but he is a dependable friend and ally to Shep and doesnt bring issues to the mission.... and for people that prefer Kaidan over Jacob..... thank god im not friends with you in real life.... Kaidan was Emo, judgemental, second guessed all of your moves.... he is a testament to the saying "misery loves company" ..... I always sacrificed him on Virmire.... he is as important to the story line as Private Jenkins from ME1 ...... at least IMO..... oh and btw the books agree with me.... Virmire is Kaidan's resting place
You must have bad vision... the cover of Mass Effect 1 is Saren... another tip to that OBVIOUS FACT is that there is a Geth squad around him
I beleive the characters are fine the way they are...
As far as Thane goes there have been plenty of movie characters that behave they way he does as an assasin... religious, polite, refined, deadly, versed with multiple killing tools... starting with old school characters: Zorro, the 3 Musketeers, Robin Hood, .... Comic Book Characters: Moon Knight, Iron Fist.... movies: The Professional, Mr. Miyagi in Karate Kid.... video games: Assasins Creed, Too Human (to an extent) .... the argument that Thane is lacking is flawed.... its an old charcter archetype passed down from old stories and rewritten into new characters...
EDI: I like her for an AI that is not Homicidal or bent on ruling the universe. She is funny at times and is a great addition to the Normandy..... without her Shep would have been killed.... twice in ME2. I also read the books and I know whats comming and I thank god EDI is on Shep's side..... also how can you go wrong with an AI with a sense of humor?..... if you dont believe me go to Earth's solar system in ME2 and toss a few probes at Uranus
Jacob: Is a nice guy with his head on straight and gets the job done... If everyone in my life was like Grunt, Zaeed, or Jack I would have either blown my F****** head off a long time ago.... or became a serial killer just to get rid of the DRAMA.... everyone has a family member or a friend that is stable and very rarely if ever brings DRAMA into your life.... and that is Jacob.... I know he is not exciting as far as the story goes..... but he is a dependable friend and ally to Shep and doesnt bring issues to the mission.... and for people that prefer Kaidan over Jacob..... thank god im not friends with you in real life.... Kaidan was Emo, judgemental, second guessed all of your moves.... he is a testament to the saying "misery loves company" ..... I always sacrificed him on Virmire.... he is as important to the story line as Private Jenkins from ME1 ...... at least IMO..... oh and btw the books agree with me.... Virmire is Kaidan's resting place
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Posté 21 août 2011 - 04:03
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Garrus is on the cover ME1 also, to the immediate left of shep.
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Posté 21 août 2011 - 06:37
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I think they are all very well written. Meh.
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Posté 21 août 2011 - 06:48
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Omega4RelayResident wrote...
Jacob: Is a nice guy with his head on straight and gets the job done... If everyone in my life was like Grunt, Zaeed, or Jack I would have either blown my F****** head off a long time ago.... or became a serial killer just to get rid of the DRAMA.... everyone has a family member or a friend that is stable and very rarely if ever brings DRAMA into your life.... and that is Jacob.... I know he is not exciting as far as the story goes..... but he is a dependable friend and ally to Shep and doesnt bring issues to the mission.... and for people that prefer Kaidan over Jacob..... thank god im not friends with you in real life.... Kaidan was Emo, judgemental, second guessed all of your moves.... he is a testament to the saying "misery loves company" ..... I always sacrificed him on Virmire.... he is as important to the story line as Private Jenkins from ME1 ...... at least IMO..... oh and btw the books agree with me.... Virmire is Kaidan's resting place
I like both jacob and Kaidan, and I have to say, your assesment of Kaidan is waaay off. he makes comments when asked but he also tells you he trusts your judgement even if your opinions on a situation might differ, he mentions his headache ONCE, he tells you that he's over his issues for a long time now, you know being adult and all, but relayes his experiences at BAAt WHEN asked and to illustrate what happens when you start cutting corners, he is the least judgemental squadmate out of both games. he takes his experiences with Baat and isntead of hating aliens - he sees them as individuals good or bad, just like us. unless renegaded while romanced - he is the only character that will always advocate saving the council - over every single alien you bring with you. and he has an understated sence of humor.
Jacob? questions a lot of your decisions, he questions half the squad you bring abord, he makes comments on actions that disagree with his own views al the time, he's prickly if you question him too much and dismissive afterwards - and that's what I like about him. characters having their own opinions outside of "yes Shepard" feel more real.
as for books agreeing with you? pretty sure books are written very carefuly as to not contradict any one person's playthrough.
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Posté 22 août 2011 - 02:42
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Jacob is the only normal guy on the ship from what little I've talked to him and him being wary I find a good trait if fshep was't all over him I could've learned more about him other then he's nice, he works for Cerberus due to their successful propaganda habits, and his dad's a psycho. I maybe the only person who'd like him to come back and not have fshep pouncing on him so I can actually try again with knowing him and her keeping her freaking distance! I mean I want to say hi and fshep translates that into she wants to get in his pants I can't stand it!
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Posté 22 août 2011 - 02:55
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they really coulda taken thane farther than they did..
Grunt's biggest flaw was being Krogan and how Krogans are basically the cliche warmongering savages, it wouldve been morre interesting if his conflict was coming to terms with the warrior race ideals of his people...
EDI reminds me of a story leanard neemoy once said rregarding his spock character and how he had no fanmail until that one episode where spock's human feelings broke out.
as for me, i got bored of Jacob. I mean he's a nice guy, if he was real he'd probably be that guy everyone likes to hang out with. but in the game, he just came off as static. Not to say all characters like that r bad but it would have been better if they contrasted his boring personality with something.
I loathe Ashley. Ever since i found out her feelings towards other species, everything else she said was sort of like this: www.youtube.com/watch
and she's religious which adds its own layer of stigma over her racism.
So many people misplace Ashley's perspective. She so often gets compared to a **** or whatever. She clearly has major issues with aliens. Not arguing that. The problem is, humans aren't in the position that ****s and similarly infamous real human regimes have been. Humans are the new kids on the block in the ME universe, we are looked at as virtually primitive by most of the other races. As such, Ashley's reaction is racist, but it's from the position of the slighted newcomers, not the paranoid establishment. That doesn't automatically make her feelings OK. But I think most people don't really consider her perspective accurately. It makes a difference.
So Ash is actually more analogous to European immigrants to the US in the early 20th century or Asians in Australia now.
ETA: real-world analogues.
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Just about everyone. But I’ll only go through the ones I can’t take seriously the most.
Kelly
Why is she on board? A psychologist who states the most obvious!? Is that the best thing she can do? Wow, Jack has anger issues and Mordin works like a hamster on coffee. I totally didn’t figure that out.
Oh wait, she also tells you when you receive a new e-mail, which is right at the time when Shepard is on his way to check it out. Well, isn’t that helpful. Sometimes she makes mistakes too. No Kelly, for the 10th time, I didn’t get any new messages. I don’t care if she can feed my fish.
Did she really have to mimic Thane after the suicide mission?
Kelly is cute, I’ll give her that, and… that’s about it.
Samara
High heels and a nice cleavage. I can’t take any fictional character like that seriously, especially when I see them on the front lines and fighting for their life. It gets worse when she enters into vacuum and toxic environments. With all those images in my head, I don’t know if I should either laugh or facepalm.
Samara’s outfit is even more revealing then the dancers in Afterlife. Her daughter is a cold, amoral sexual predator and yet look how she’s dressed up. Doesn’t that at least boggle other people’s minds? And that fight between them was silly and it reminded me of Marvel and DC comics.
Sorry Samara, but I can’t take it seriously how emotional and regretful you are for killing your own daughter while being dressed up like that.
All this would have been solved if Bioware released a decent DLC armor for her, but alas, they didn’t.
Shepard
I won’t bother explaining. I wrote my complaints before, perhaps way too much. So I won’t bother about it now.
Garrus
Garrus was completely ruined for me in ME2 when I found out that he shows up even if you never recruited him in ME1.
In the first game you both go through so damn much, you end up becoming good friends, you influence him, show and teach him so many things and guess what -- none of it has absolutely any effect on him or the future of the plot. He is what he is in ME2 no matter what.
I suddenly felt like everything in ME1 didn’t mean anything to him at all, especially his friendship with Shepard. Everything was meaningless, an illusion. So I stopped feeling like I was friends with him.
Oh, and he still talks about ‘old times’ even if you never recruited him in ME1. Uhm… okay.
It was one of the biggest WTF moments I had. Bioware, I thought there would be consequences and that our decisions would matter throughout the trilogy. Or is this your way of saying that I was playing your game "wrong"?
It makes me wonder how Wrex is treated if the player decide to leave him instead.
In ME2, Garrus has only 4 short conversations and his calibrations were pissing me off. I always wanted one more “you’re working too hard” interrupt.
The game is trying a bit hard to make him your buddy.
You teach him to be either paragon or renegade or mix of both in ME1 --> Garrus will agree and he’ll like you.
You don’t recruit him in ME1 --> in ME2, Garrus likes you.
ME1 -- you let him kill Dr. Saleon --> Garrus will agree with you and he’ll like you.
ME1 -- you don’t let him kill Dr. Saleon --> Garrus will agree with you and he’ll like you.
ME2 -- you let him kill Sidonis --> Garrus will agree with you and he’ll like you.
ME2 -- you don’t let him kill Sidonis --> Garrus will agree with you and he’ll like you.
This makes him seem like a total spineless person.
Why doesn’t he at least ask Shepard how (s)he’s holding up?
Also, he’s not surprised to see Shepard alive when you find him on Omega. In fact, Shepard is more surprised in seeing Garrus then the other way around. *Sigh*
I could mention that his armor is damaged and full of holes but this was solved with the first armor DLC pack.
I'll write more later.
Kelly
Why is she on board? A psychologist who states the most obvious!? Is that the best thing she can do? Wow, Jack has anger issues and Mordin works like a hamster on coffee. I totally didn’t figure that out.
Oh wait, she also tells you when you receive a new e-mail, which is right at the time when Shepard is on his way to check it out. Well, isn’t that helpful. Sometimes she makes mistakes too. No Kelly, for the 10th time, I didn’t get any new messages. I don’t care if she can feed my fish.
Did she really have to mimic Thane after the suicide mission?
Kelly is cute, I’ll give her that, and… that’s about it.
Samara
High heels and a nice cleavage. I can’t take any fictional character like that seriously, especially when I see them on the front lines and fighting for their life. It gets worse when she enters into vacuum and toxic environments. With all those images in my head, I don’t know if I should either laugh or facepalm.
Samara’s outfit is even more revealing then the dancers in Afterlife. Her daughter is a cold, amoral sexual predator and yet look how she’s dressed up. Doesn’t that at least boggle other people’s minds? And that fight between them was silly and it reminded me of Marvel and DC comics.
Sorry Samara, but I can’t take it seriously how emotional and regretful you are for killing your own daughter while being dressed up like that.
All this would have been solved if Bioware released a decent DLC armor for her, but alas, they didn’t.
Shepard
I won’t bother explaining. I wrote my complaints before, perhaps way too much. So I won’t bother about it now.
Garrus
Garrus was completely ruined for me in ME2 when I found out that he shows up even if you never recruited him in ME1.
In the first game you both go through so damn much, you end up becoming good friends, you influence him, show and teach him so many things and guess what -- none of it has absolutely any effect on him or the future of the plot. He is what he is in ME2 no matter what.
I suddenly felt like everything in ME1 didn’t mean anything to him at all, especially his friendship with Shepard. Everything was meaningless, an illusion. So I stopped feeling like I was friends with him.
Oh, and he still talks about ‘old times’ even if you never recruited him in ME1. Uhm… okay.
It was one of the biggest WTF moments I had. Bioware, I thought there would be consequences and that our decisions would matter throughout the trilogy. Or is this your way of saying that I was playing your game "wrong"?
It makes me wonder how Wrex is treated if the player decide to leave him instead.
In ME2, Garrus has only 4 short conversations and his calibrations were pissing me off. I always wanted one more “you’re working too hard” interrupt.
The game is trying a bit hard to make him your buddy.
You teach him to be either paragon or renegade or mix of both in ME1 --> Garrus will agree and he’ll like you.
You don’t recruit him in ME1 --> in ME2, Garrus likes you.
ME1 -- you let him kill Dr. Saleon --> Garrus will agree with you and he’ll like you.
ME1 -- you don’t let him kill Dr. Saleon --> Garrus will agree with you and he’ll like you.
ME2 -- you let him kill Sidonis --> Garrus will agree with you and he’ll like you.
ME2 -- you don’t let him kill Sidonis --> Garrus will agree with you and he’ll like you.
This makes him seem like a total spineless person.
Why doesn’t he at least ask Shepard how (s)he’s holding up?
Also, he’s not surprised to see Shepard alive when you find him on Omega. In fact, Shepard is more surprised in seeing Garrus then the other way around. *Sigh*
I could mention that his armor is damaged and full of holes but this was solved with the first armor DLC pack.
I'll write more later.
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Indeed AwesomeEffect, Garrus has the biggest case of character stagnation due to fan pandering. Heck, even Bioware seems to be aware of this with that LOTSB text of his potential being hampered by serving under Shepard.
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Pretty much. I'm not even sure if Garrus was supposed to be able to not be recruited; that may have been an oversight. Regardless, he and Wrex should have been mandatory.Or is this your way of saying that I was playing your game "wrong"?
Wrex gets killed.It makes me wonder how Wrex is treated if the player decide to leave him instead.
Garrus already saw Shepard through his sniper scope. He had a bit more time to get used to it.Also, he’s not surprised to see Shepard alive when you find him in Omega.
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Homey C-Dawg wrote...
The problem with Jack is the believability factor of her role in the story rather than her plight. I like Jack as a character. Her story is tragic and her arc actually left her changed (not to mention she has the most attractive face of any ME character IMO).
However she probably should have been taken to a recovery center like where Archer's brother was sent instead of on a suicide mission where her issues, valid as they may be, could endanger a mission that is vital to the survival of the human race.
As much as I empathize with her emotional situation, it just doesn't seem like she belongs in ME2's story. That's my reason anyway for her being at the top of my unbelievable scale.
Good grief this.
She sounds more like the kind of character Shep would get in a fight to the death with instead of dragging her around on his ship.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 06:50
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Practically the only difference is that the former tries to kill Shepard. Zaeed, for instance, is a lot like most of ME2's enemies.She sounds more like the kind of character Shep would get in a fight to the death with instead of dragging her around on his ship.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 06:53
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Xilizhra wrote...
Pretty much. I'm not even sure if Garrus was supposed to be able to not be recruited; that may have been an oversight. Regardless, he and Wrex should have been mandatory.Or is this your way of saying that I was playing your game "wrong"?
Wrex gets killed.It makes me wonder how Wrex is treated if the player decide to leave him instead.
Garrus already saw Shepard through his sniper scope. He had a bit more time to get used to it.Also, he’s not surprised to see Shepard alive when you find him in Omega.
LOL Reallly - your friend/commander's been dead/mia/kia for 2 years and garrus ''gets used to it'' in the span of 5 minutes....please....
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 06:55
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Well, there are bigger problems going on at that moment. All the other squadmate reactions happen during moments of calm, not lethal sieges.LOL Reallly - your friend/commander's been dead/mia/kia for 2 years and garrus ''gets used to it'' in the span of 5 minutes....please....
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NECRO! Speaking of which, the Necrons just got a new codex!
Anyway, I cant take Miranda seriously. She is only there for the sex appeal. Her outfit makes no sense in combat to the point where its laughable. The camera angles for when you are talking to her are incredibly shameless. She is also an idiot. Yelling at Joker when Collectors attack the ship, or suggesting that she could do the biotic bubble. Ridiculous.
Anyway, I cant take Miranda seriously. She is only there for the sex appeal. Her outfit makes no sense in combat to the point where its laughable. The camera angles for when you are talking to her are incredibly shameless. She is also an idiot. Yelling at Joker when Collectors attack the ship, or suggesting that she could do the biotic bubble. Ridiculous.
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Jacob is the only normal guy on the ship from what little I've talked to him and him being wary I find a good trait if fshep was't all over him I could've learned more about him other then he's nice, he works for Cerberus due to their successful propaganda habits, and his dad's a psycho. I maybe the only person who'd like him to come back and not have fshep pouncing on him so I can actually try again with knowing him and her keeping her freaking distance! I mean I want to say hi and fshep translates that into she wants to get in his pants I can't stand it!
There is a solution, you could play as a MaleShep..
jeweledleah wrote...
Jacob? questions a
lot of your decisions, he questions half the squad you bring abord, he
makes comments on actions that disagree with his own views al the time,
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and that's what I like about him. characters having their own opinions
outside of "yes Shepard" feel more real.
Technically, the only squadmates Jacob questions having on board is Legion and Thane, and with Legion it was justified.
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Posté 06 novembre 2011 - 06:58
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I can take most characters in ME seriously. So this seems like a legit thread.jreezy wrote...
There's one thing I can't take seriously: People talking about characters they can't take seriously in a video game.
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- Miranda is supposedly a great scientist and a highly competent spy. She seems to be rational, strong and very intelligent. But… I don’t truly see any of that. Hell, most of those things are only present offscreen. Just about everything we see from Miranda throughout the game are her flaws and failures, nothing more. She's a poorly executed character.
- She says that she’s a good judge of character and tells Jacob “I’m never wrong.” I beg to differ.
I don’t think I have to explain why I disagree with the latter. As for the former, can someone point where it's shown that she’s a good judge of character? Is there any evidence for this?
From what I remember, she was wrong about Shepard, Wilson, Niket, TIM and a few fire team leaders.
When the Normandy crew got abducted by the Collectors, she blamed Joker for it. Really, Miranda? I mean… really?! What was he supposed to do? Sure, put all the blame on the cripple.
- I find her sudden change on the Normandy to be a bit jarring. Isn’t she supposed to be cold and very professional? Well, she certainly doesn’t mind everyone discussing fraternization issues, especially if you romanced her. "Everyone on this ship needs to know you're mine."
- The romance plays out way too fast. In one conversation they both show how they're interested in each other, then in the next one she suddently gets too emotional. Couldn’t there have been at least one more normal conversation before this happened?
- I seriously don’t understand how someone like her would want the Collector base destroyed. I was completely surprised when I first brought her to the Human-Reaper. She wants it destroyed even if you never completed her loyalty mission. How she managed to become one of Cerberus’ top operatives is beyond me.
- The following dialogue plays out after she kills Wilson:
Shepard: What about the rest of the people on the station?
Miranda: This is the evac area. If they’re not here now, they’re not coming.
Shepard: We can’t leave without knowing for sure. We need to go back and look.
Miranda: Don’t you get it? The only one worth saving is you, everyone else is expendable.
Jacob: She’s right. We all knew the risks when we signed up. Without you there is no point to any of this.
Shepard: Where are we going?
Miranda: Another Cerberus facility. The Illusive Man is waiting for you there.
Shepard: I’m not sure I trust you.
Miranda: This is the only shuttle off the station. You want to stay and rot with the mechs, be my guest.
It should be noted that there were more shuttles there as well.
- There’s the issue about her infertility. Sorry Bioware, but I’m not buying it. Are you seriously telling me that the 22nd century medicine and biotechnology of the ME universe cannot fix that?
- Why is there no serious conversation about the Lazarus project? Why do both Miranda and Shepard ignore it?
- Even if she died during the suicide mission, she will still appear at the end of Jacob’s loyalty mission.
- She wears high heels and a catsuit when going into vacuum, toxic environments and gunfight. But at least she got a very cool DLC armor. It’s a plus for her character but I really wish that it came with a helmet.
Joker
- So… Joker decided to join Cerberus after Shepard’s death?
“Hell yeah I joined Cerberus -- the most ruthless and immoral organization that almost killed you multiple times and who slaughtered your whole unit on Akuze! Yeah, the exact same terrorist organization that’s against the Alliance, that killed Kahoku and his unit, tortured Toombs and turned an entire colony into husks!”
“Hell yeah I joined Cerberus!” You don’t say, Joker. You really don’t say.
- He never thanks Shepard for saving his life at the beginning of ME2, which I find very insulting.
- Joker can fire a gun and lift a beam without problems. What happened to that Vrolik syndrome?
- All team on shuttle? Yes Bioware, I see what you did there and why.
- I seriously hope there isn’t a EDI and Joker romance in ME3. Don’t do it, Bioware.
Harbinger
- Do I really have to explain why? Do I really need to get into details and say how annoying he is?
“This hurts you”
“You feel this”
“Assuming direct control”
He’s a pure joke when compared to Sovereign.
Sovereign sent chills down my spine. Harbinger, on the other hand, is an ultimate FAIL.
I'll write more later.
- Miranda is supposedly a great scientist and a highly competent spy. She seems to be rational, strong and very intelligent. But… I don’t truly see any of that. Hell, most of those things are only present offscreen. Just about everything we see from Miranda throughout the game are her flaws and failures, nothing more. She's a poorly executed character.
- She says that she’s a good judge of character and tells Jacob “I’m never wrong.” I beg to differ.
I don’t think I have to explain why I disagree with the latter. As for the former, can someone point where it's shown that she’s a good judge of character? Is there any evidence for this?
From what I remember, she was wrong about Shepard, Wilson, Niket, TIM and a few fire team leaders.
When the Normandy crew got abducted by the Collectors, she blamed Joker for it. Really, Miranda? I mean… really?! What was he supposed to do? Sure, put all the blame on the cripple.
- I find her sudden change on the Normandy to be a bit jarring. Isn’t she supposed to be cold and very professional? Well, she certainly doesn’t mind everyone discussing fraternization issues, especially if you romanced her. "Everyone on this ship needs to know you're mine."
- The romance plays out way too fast. In one conversation they both show how they're interested in each other, then in the next one she suddently gets too emotional. Couldn’t there have been at least one more normal conversation before this happened?
- I seriously don’t understand how someone like her would want the Collector base destroyed. I was completely surprised when I first brought her to the Human-Reaper. She wants it destroyed even if you never completed her loyalty mission. How she managed to become one of Cerberus’ top operatives is beyond me.
- The following dialogue plays out after she kills Wilson:
Shepard: What about the rest of the people on the station?
Miranda: This is the evac area. If they’re not here now, they’re not coming.
Shepard: We can’t leave without knowing for sure. We need to go back and look.
Miranda: Don’t you get it? The only one worth saving is you, everyone else is expendable.
Jacob: She’s right. We all knew the risks when we signed up. Without you there is no point to any of this.
Shepard: Where are we going?
Miranda: Another Cerberus facility. The Illusive Man is waiting for you there.
Shepard: I’m not sure I trust you.
Miranda: This is the only shuttle off the station. You want to stay and rot with the mechs, be my guest.
It should be noted that there were more shuttles there as well.
- There’s the issue about her infertility. Sorry Bioware, but I’m not buying it. Are you seriously telling me that the 22nd century medicine and biotechnology of the ME universe cannot fix that?
- Why is there no serious conversation about the Lazarus project? Why do both Miranda and Shepard ignore it?
- Even if she died during the suicide mission, she will still appear at the end of Jacob’s loyalty mission.
- She wears high heels and a catsuit when going into vacuum, toxic environments and gunfight. But at least she got a very cool DLC armor. It’s a plus for her character but I really wish that it came with a helmet.
Joker
- So… Joker decided to join Cerberus after Shepard’s death?
“Hell yeah I joined Cerberus -- the most ruthless and immoral organization that almost killed you multiple times and who slaughtered your whole unit on Akuze! Yeah, the exact same terrorist organization that’s against the Alliance, that killed Kahoku and his unit, tortured Toombs and turned an entire colony into husks!”
“Hell yeah I joined Cerberus!” You don’t say, Joker. You really don’t say.
- He never thanks Shepard for saving his life at the beginning of ME2, which I find very insulting.
- Joker can fire a gun and lift a beam without problems. What happened to that Vrolik syndrome?
- All team on shuttle? Yes Bioware, I see what you did there and why.
- I seriously hope there isn’t a EDI and Joker romance in ME3. Don’t do it, Bioware.
Harbinger
- Do I really have to explain why? Do I really need to get into details and say how annoying he is?
“This hurts you”
“You feel this”
“Assuming direct control”
He’s a pure joke when compared to Sovereign.
Sovereign sent chills down my spine. Harbinger, on the other hand, is an ultimate FAIL.
I'll write more later.
Modifié par AwesomeEffect2, 07 novembre 2011 - 03:32 .
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Posté 07 novembre 2011 - 02:22
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Look who's thread just got necro'd *shades-smiley*
I continue to be baffled by how many people see Jack as "cliche" and "teen angst" character. A little girl raised as a test-subject and left to fend for herself her whole life? I'd say she's more than just some angsty teen. Cliche? I haven't exactly seen that kind of character too commonly myself.
I continue to be baffled by how many people see Jack as "cliche" and "teen angst" character. A little girl raised as a test-subject and left to fend for herself her whole life? I'd say she's more than just some angsty teen. Cliche? I haven't exactly seen that kind of character too commonly myself.
