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[Celtic Latino]

Liara (ME2/LotSB)- Bookish smart girl who Shepard can be a downright a*sh*le to suddenly becomes his/her best friend (regardless how (s)he treated her), becomes a tough, battle hardened Shadow Broker and adopts witty banter over the course of two years? She even mourns Shepard's death even if Shepard threatened to leave her on Therum if she doesn't pipe down? Sorry, not buying it. ME1 Liara is not ME2 Liara (and vice versa), that's for sure.

Garrus- Especially as an LI...it was definitely fanservice. Dino raptor whose anatomy is completely different from Shepard's suddenly wants to be a with a human female? I just don't buy it (which is why I never do Garrus-mance). I do find him believable otherwise though.

Kelly Chambers- Pretty redhead whose your assistant and will screw anything regardless of gender or species? And I thought the asari and Garrus/Tali-mance were fanservice....

The majority of humans in Mass Effect- for humans supposedly being mostly mixed race and white skin/fair hair and eyes being so rare the Citadel must be the Europe of Mass Effect...every single human squadmate and crew member sans Captain Anderson, Jacob and Kasumi are white. I don't have a problem with it but if most of humanity is mixed shouldn't our crew and squadmates be too?

[Weltea]

Does Kelly count? Because I have a huge problem with her. I don't get why she's there -unless her sole purpose is to feed the fish and strip in which case I can do without the bragging about her psychotherapist skills. You know,those that she completely and absolutely doesn't have!!! Telling Shepard that s/he has messages is also a useless skill of her,especially since -if you don't immediately check your mail- she changes it to no new messages => either you check your messages or you don't but why those she have to mention the (wrong) amount of new letters I have every time I walk past her. Same with her telling you whether your squadmates want to talk: either you don't care and won't talk to them no matter how often Kelly repeats herself or you are interested in talking to your squadmates and will run talking to them whenever you can (or if you have played the game already and know at what point you get the loyalty missions etc. you wait till then...)

I can deal with the high heels in battle. I can almost deal with the show as much skin as possible/don't wear armor rule of some of the characters but I have a huge problem with those breather-thingies some squadmates wear instead of helmets...those things are open on the side!Why wear them in the first place then when they visit that planet with the toxic atmosphere?

[mauro2222]

Celtic Latino wrote...

Garrus- Especially as an LI...it was definitely fanservice. Dino raptor whose anatomy is completely different from Shepard's suddenly wants to be a with a human female?

He never says that Shepard is attractive, he says that he would try to be with her because, first Shep is the one wanting this (and remember, Shepard has done a lot for him, he considers this as a little reward for his mentor and role model) and second he is doing it with a human because, well... she is Shepard, nothing more... he even says that he doesn't have a fetish for humans.

[St. Eve]

Kelly. I'm actually kinda glad I failed to save her. Too bad Gabby had to die as well.

But prices must be paid to keep that useless waste of flesh off my emails.

[Quole]

AwesomeEffect2 wrote...

Miranda

- Miranda is supposedly a great scientist and a highly competent spy. She seems to be rational, strong and very intelligent. But… I don’t truly see any of that. Hell, most of those things are only present offscreen. Just about everything we see from Miranda throughout the game are her flaws and failures, nothing more. She's a poorly executed character.
 
- She says that she’s a good judge of character and tells Jacob “I’m never wrong.” I beg to differ.
I don’t think I have to explain why I disagree with the latter. As for the former, can someone point where it's shown that she’s a good judge of character? Is there any evidence for this?
From what I remember, she was wrong about Shepard, Wilson, Niket, TIM and a few fire team leaders.

When the Normandy crew got abducted by the Collectors, she blamed Joker for it. Really, Miranda? I mean… really?! What was he supposed to do? Sure, put all the blame on the cripple.
 
- I find her sudden change on the Normandy to be a bit jarring. Isn’t she supposed to be cold and very professional? Well, she certainly doesn’t mind everyone discussing fraternization issues, especially if you romanced her. "Everyone on this ship needs to know you're mine."
 
- The romance plays out way too fast. In one conversation they both show how they're interested in each other, then  in the next one she suddently gets too emotional. Couldn’t there have been at least one more normal conversation before this happened?
 
- I seriously don’t understand how someone like her would want the Collector base destroyed. I was completely surprised when I first brought her to the Human-Reaper. She wants it destroyed even if you never completed her loyalty mission. How she managed to become one of Cerberus’ top operatives is beyond me.
 
- The following dialogue plays out after she kills Wilson:
Shepard: What about the rest of the people on the station?
Miranda: This is the evac area. If they’re not here now, they’re not coming.
Shepard: We can’t leave without knowing for sure. We need to go back and look.
Miranda: Don’t you get it? The only one worth saving is you, everyone else is expendable.
Jacob: She’s right. We all knew the risks when we signed up. Without you there is no point to any of this.
Shepard: Where are we going?
Miranda: Another Cerberus facility. The Illusive Man is waiting for you there.
Shepard: I’m not sure I trust you.
Miranda: This is the only shuttle off the station. You want to stay and rot with the mechs, be my guest.
 
It should be noted that there were more shuttles there as well.
 
- There’s the issue about her infertility. Sorry Bioware, but I’m not buying it. Are you seriously telling me that the 22nd century medicine and biotechnology of the ME universe cannot fix that?
 
- Why is there no serious conversation about the Lazarus project? Why do both Miranda and Shepard ignore it?
 
- Even if she died during the suicide mission, she will still appear at the end of Jacob’s loyalty mission.
 
- She wears high heels and a catsuit when going into vacuum, toxic environments and gunfight. But at least she got a very cool DLC armor. It’s a plus for her character but I really wish that it came with a helmet.
 
Joker
 
- So… Joker decided to join Cerberus after Shepard’s death?
 
“Hell yeah I joined Cerberus -- the most ruthless and immoral organization that almost killed you multiple times and who slaughtered your whole unit on Akuze! Yeah, the exact same terrorist organization that’s against the Alliance, that killed Kahoku and his unit, tortured Toombs and turned an entire colony into husks!”
 
“Hell yeah I joined Cerberus!” You don’t say, Joker. You really don’t say.
 
- He never thanks Shepard for saving his life at the beginning of ME2, which I find very insulting.
 
- Joker can fire a gun and lift a beam without problems. What happened to that Vrolik syndrome?
 
- All team on shuttle? Yes Bioware, I see what you did there and why.
 
- I seriously hope there isn’t a EDI and Joker romance in ME3. Don’t do it, Bioware.
 
Harbinger

- Do I really have to explain why? Do I really need to get into details and say how annoying he is?
“This hurts you”
“You feel this”
“Assuming direct control”
 
He’s a pure joke when compared to Sovereign. 
Sovereign sent chills down my spine. Harbinger, on the other hand, is an ultimate FAIL.

I'll write more later.

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Modifié par Quole, 08 novembre 2011 - 12:10 .

[Fishmas1]

I will just leave one of my comics here...

http://fishmas.devia...-Vega-267873240

Modifié par Fishmas1, 08 novembre 2011 - 06:41 .

[Labrev]

^ watching the leaked beta, Vega looks like a lot more than just some walking meat-tube to me.

If it's about his body, the guy's a marine afterall.

[Errol Dnamyx]

It looks like he can barely move from all the muscles.

[Harmless Citizen]

I can't take Vega seriously either. This is in large part, I suspect, because he appears as if he made his escape just before the reapers tentacle raped the Jersey Shore.

And from what I know of him, he seems like he'll be a bit like Conrad Verner if Verner were a silverback and not an ineffectual cuckold.

I'm sure I'll end up liking him, provided his writing isn't crap, and I'm sure it won't be. Haven't hated an ME squaddie yet.

Modifié par Random Nobody, 08 novembre 2011 - 07:12 .

[Clara Shepard]

 Personally I feel (and peeps, it's just my opinion):

In ME2:

Tali
She's nice, not in your face trying to act soooo badass or such... can't say I hate her.  She's like a little sister to femshep.  The only problem I had with her is that she had a goal and then was determined to get it her way.  Like she believes all geth are evil and that can't be changed(though you can make her work with legion a little).  She needs to learn a little more I guess... 

Garrus
He's like... trying so hard to do everything not by the rules.  Like he's that teen that feels like he needs to do everything this parents tell him not to, and it's just... why?  And the romance with him... it's... weird? Tali's was too... different species... just... that's like... a turkey... and a human... it just wasn't meant to be.

Grunt
I found he pretty much had no other personality except "Let me shoot things, now?"

Kelly
Oh god, Kelly, I swear she would get jiggy with TIM because she felt he was 'innocent' or some **** like that.  She was like a bus, took every member of the crew for a ride.(I'm suspecting, though I think she hinted)

Miranda
I don't mind when people suggest things, but she always wanted things her way, by the end of ME2 she kind of follows shep but she was such a... a... bossy nag in the beginning.

Jacob
Really, I had no quarrel with Jacob, I mean like, he wasn't over the top, whiny, or stupid... he was the normal one, I found. He was just... part of the crew.

Jack
Jack was just.... "Kill now!!"  or "Feed me children!! I'm not content!!".  I know her character grows further on, but her personality kind of drove me mad, I like order and peace, not "whablatekilleverythingthatmoves!!".

Thane
Well Thane was... I don't know... eye candy for the ladies... like Miranda's ass...  He was just, invisible to me unless romanced(don't like different species relationships though) , like again, needed to get to know the character to like them.  There wasn't any "Hey, you seem so interesting, I'm going to keep bugging you for the rest of the game" type thing going on.

Mordin
Man, he was the only character I found had any personality.  The first second you meet him and you already love the character, he was interesting.  More characters needed to be like that.

Samara
She was just... "kill things for justice" I for one, love justice.  But it's not justice when everyone dies.  She was kind of over the bounds for me, good but over.

TIM
I was so pissed I was forced to work with Cerberus, and I hated TIM more than anything possible, I yelled at the screen  in hopes of pissing him off and making him leave, but alas, it didn't work.  He truely made me hate him, and that made his character.

In ME1:

Wrex
He had slightly more of a personality than Grunt, when I say slight I mean a lot... compared to Grunt.  He was wanting to shoot everything, but he had a bit of humor and stuff that made him enjoyable, he wasn't just some crazy thing holding a gun.  Though he wasn't perfect though, still better than a lot of the others in ME2.

Liara
God she annoyed me, she was constantly trying to get in my pants and whenever I did something she sounded like either a 5 year old complaining or... erh.. I don't know, I know she was supposed to be a shy character, but it just didn't work for me.  I'm a clutz like her in real life, I don't want to see her make a fool of herself in the game. It just didn't work for me.

Ashley
To me at first, she was just racist, but later getting to know her throughout the game she grew into someone more than just "the racist".  She had great personality though, took  time to get used to, like the characters in ME2.

Kaidan
First time playing it, he was just a shadow to me, I didn't notice him much... though the first time through I didn't talk to any of  the crew members much.  He was the "shy" guy, and most complain he's boring, but after the second conversation he grows into a much more mature character.  The only one in the game who I sincerely feel like they don't look at Shepard like "Oooo powerful" or "Want to watch me kill things?".  And he didn't take crap from Shepard, when he believed something he took his own path, he was his own character.


And you know what, though each had their own personalities, good and bad, they all worked for me, it would be no fun to have someone predictable or to our requirments, so I gotta say, though I liked some more than others, I liked them all for being.... em... "them"?  I guess that it o.O  The only one I couldn't take seriously was kelly, I hate kelly.

[Harmless Citizen]

Clara Shepard said...

Jack
Jack was just.... "Kill now!!" or "Feed me children!! I'm not content!!". I know her character grows further on, but her personality kind of drove me mad, I like order and peace, not "whablatekilleverythingthatmoves!!".

As a huge Jack fan (she definitely grew on me), I always thought she was purposely written that way because she was putting up a front. This would certainly be in keeping with someone who was gangraped multiple times, sexually and emotionally abused, physically tortured, and whose only human interaction in childhood was either being experimented on or being forced to kill other kids. Considering that she probably suffers from RTS, BPD, and a thousand other psychoses, she's surprisingly well-adjusted.

What I've never understood about her character is why she stays on the Normandy after she gets the files, especially when she knows that she has a good chance of catching a serious case of the dead during the SM. This is especially true if you aren't forthcoming with the files (I've never done this) and she has to steal them. Why doesn't she just take them and bounce?

...Actually, I find the other squaddies' reasons for staying with Shepard equally as questionable. Maybe not those with a deathwish like Thane and Zaeed, but the rest are a bit unbelievable.

Modifié par Random Nobody, 08 novembre 2011 - 07:51 .

[Ryzaki]

Actually I buy everyone *but* Jack.

Thane - He has a death wish
Miranda - It's her job
Jacob - Same
Zaeed - He's getting paid and Shep's gonna help with his problems (or at least that's what TIM promised)
Tali - She's Shep's friend and wants to back him up and wants to stop the Reapers and SM isn't anything new considering ME1
Garrus - Same as Tali
Mordin - He wants to save people from the collectors to make up for his part in the genophage
Legion - It's his mission to secure an alliance with Shep.
Samara - She wants to save people from the collectors (and she likes impossible missions) also gets Shep's help with personal issues. 
Kasumi - pretty much same as Zaeed. 
Grunt - likes killing things. What better opponent than a Reaper? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 novembre 2011 - 07:56 .

[Harmless Citizen]

 I agree. I think I overstated, there. Most of the reasons *are* believable, but not enough that it doesn't raise my eyebrows a little. 
Thane & Zaeed - Zaeed is getting an arseload of cash and a free ticket to kill Vidoo. If all fails, he, like Thane, has a death wish.  
Samara - Compelled by the Justicar code. Also has a fatalistic streak. 
Miranda & Jacob - Fulfilling their duty as Cerberus operatives. 
Grunt - Wants to fight "big things;" considers Shep his battlemaster and the crew, his family. 
Morinth (never recruited her) - Psycho who wants to fack your ****e up (literally and figuratively). 
Legion - Shepard fan...it. Has a stake in the mission because of heretic geth. 

This is part where things get a bit shaky for me. 

Tali & Garrus - Perhaps it's because I barely used them in my first few playthroughs of ME1, but I struggle with understanding the depth of their loyalty. I get it cerebrally, but it still comes off as odd to me. Wanting to help is one thing, but sacrificing their lives is another gesture altogether. Garrus is a little bit more justifiable, considering how estranged he is from his family, his moral confusion, and the likelihood that he suffers from depression (or at least the idea that he has little left to live for, and may as well give his life for a chance a justice). Tali on the other hand, is a 24-year-old kid. Her involvement in ME1 was purely incidental (and really doesn't in itself make sense to me), and she's just struck out on her own. Might just be I'm just not noble enough to see her reasoning.  
Kasumi - Money? Even when everyone acknowledges there's almost zero chance that anyone will survive? 
Mordin - You helped find a cure, Person-I-Just-Met. Of course I'll come die with you on your suicide run. He wants to atone for his part in the genophage, I understand, but how easily he's recruited reminds me of a JRPG where you just pick up characters off the side of the road because hey, why the hell not?  
Jack - ???

Maybe it isn't so much as motives as that none of them seem at all hesitant to drop everything and just toss their lives away. Seriously. No one even discusses it.  

Modifié par Random Nobody, 08 novembre 2011 - 08:29 .

[Ryzaki]

Random Nobody wrote...This is part where things get a bit shaky for me. 

Tali & Garrus - Perhaps it's because I barely used them in my first few playthroughs of ME1, but I struggle with understanding the depth of their loyalty. I get it cerebrally, but it still comes off as odd to me. Wanting to help is one thing, but sacrificing their lives is another gesture altogether. Garrus is a little bit more justifiable, considering how estranged he is from his family, his moral confusion, and the likelihood that he suffers from depression (or at least the idea that he has little left to live for, and may as well give his life for a chance a justice). Tali on the other hand, is a 24-year-old kid. Her involvement in ME1 was purely incidental (and really doesn't in itself make sense to me), and she's just struck out on her own. Might just be I'm just not noble enough to see her reasoning.  
Kasumi - Money? Even when everyone acknowledges there's almost zero chance that anyone will survive? 
Mordin - You helped find a cure, Person-I-Just-Met. Of course I'll come die with you on your suicide run. 
Jack - ???

Maybe it isn't so much as motives as that none of them seem at all hesitant to drop everything and just toss their lives away. Seriously. No one even discusses it.  

Tali and Garrus make the *most* sense to me. They were by my Shep's side throughout ME1 so they know what the Reapers are capable of. They know the stakes. And they're used to "impossible" missions with Shep.  Tali's doing this to help her people. If the Reapers wipe everyone out they die too. That and she forms a strong friendship with Shepard. (same as Garrus). 

Kasumi..sure maybe money frankly I have the impression she just thought it'd be fun and interesting. 

You did do Mordin's loyalty mission right? He explains why he's going on the SM during that. He wanted to do some good in the world to balance out what he did with the genophage. Even though it was the right choice it still weighs heavily on him. 

Jack I have no answer for because I don't buy it myself. 

[Harmless Citizen]

Ryzaki wrote...


Tali and Garrus make the *most* sense to me. They were by my Shep's side throughout ME1 so they know what the Reapers are capable of. They know the stakes. And they're used to "impossible" missions with Shep.  Tali's doing this to help her people. If the Reapers wipe everyone out they die too. That and she forms a strong friendship with Shepard. (same as Garrus). 

Like I said, this is the answer that I understand cerebrally. Probably a side-effect of the fact that I hardly ever used them back in ME1. The very same thing caused me some serious confusion in ME2 and LotSB where Liara's developed a fierce loyalty-borderline-obsession with Shepard. I used her all of once. 

Kasumi..sure maybe money frankly I have the impression she just thought it'd be fun and interesting.

Sounds about right. But still...ehhhh. 

You did do Mordin's loyalty mission right? He explains why he's going on the SM during that. He wanted to do some good in the world to balance out what he did with the genophage. Even though it was the right choice it still weighs heavily on him.

I did everyone's loyalty mission (I wasn't even aware anyone could *actually* die on my first ME2 run, probably because I'm a meticulous upgrades whoar). I don't remember this, but that's probably because I rushed through it. By the time I rolled around Tuchanka, I was suffering some serious battle fatigue (not usually a fan of shooters) and the krogan were seriously grating on my nerves. Makes sense, but still, the ease with which you recruit him still feels odd. I suppose it can be explained away by his history with the STG. 

Jack I have no answer for because I don't buy it myself.

This is the explanation I'd most like to hear. I can't think of one logical reason that Jack would stay with the crew. 

Modifié par Random Nobody, 08 novembre 2011 - 08:45 .

[Ryzaki]

Random Nobody wrote...
Like I said, this is the answer that I understand cerebrally. Probably a side-effect of the fact that I hardly every used them back in ME1. The very same thing caused me some serious confusion in ME2 and LotSB where Liara's developed a fierce loyalty-borderline-obsession with Shepard. I used her all of once.

LOL yeah gameplay - story segregation. I can't understand why the VS thinks they and Shep are friends when I never used them, insulted them and never talked to them again. 

Sounds about right. But still...ehhhh. 
I did everyone's loyalty mission (I wasn't even aware anyone could *actually* die on my first ME2 run, probably because I'm a meticulous upgrade ****). I don't remember this, but that's probably because I rushed through it. By the time I rolled around Tuchanka, I was suffering some serious battle fatigue (not usually a fan of shooters) and the krogan were seriously grating on my nerves. Makes sense, but still, the ease with which you recruit him still feels odd. I suppose it can be explained away by his history with the STG. 

Well just listen to him next time. He explains it better than I can. 

This is the explanation I'd most like to hear. I can't think of one logical reason that Jack would stay with the crew. 

Well I can't answer that. :/ 

[Labrev]

^^^ obvious anti-Jack loser is obvious, if you talked to her and use Investigates you'd know because you can specifically ask her about the mission. You want one logical reason? I'll give you three:

1.) Collectors are a human threat, so obviously if she doesn't want to die then she ought to stay and fight them. (This she says herself after Collector Cruiser mission)
2.) She kind of "owes" Shepard: she got the files from the ship, and if Shepard does her LM.
3.) She enjoys violence/mayhem, and you're doing a lot of that.
... you'd have to think she's getting paid SOMETHING too.

Modifié par Hah Yes Reapers, 12 novembre 2011 - 04:46 .