I kinda agree, Thane never grew on me. I don't dislike him, I just don't like him.
Characters I can't take seriously.
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#77
Posté 23 juin 2011 - 07:05
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AngelicMachinery wrote...
If were taking emotional stability as the only way to choose characters than the only character in game will be Jacob.
I never said completely stable. But her default is rage and vitrol towards Cerberus whose ship she's on...it makes zero sense that she's forced. Okeer can be justified by saying "well we needed his info and since he kicked the bucket we might as well pick up Grunt.", You need Mordin's countermeasure, Garrus has single handily held off three merc gangs and you don't know much about him (before it's revealed that Archangel's Garrus). However nothing suggests he has a vendetta against the organization you're working for.
It's on thing for someone dangerous to be recruited, it's another if that dangerous person has a target painted on the organization you're working for.
And the vitrol towards Miranda but not Jacob or anyone else is just odd. Especially when Shepard can be just as vocal a supporter of Cerberus.
And Jacob isn't emotionally stable. He's just damn good at keeping his problems to himself. Which is something that Shepard should be seeking out.
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O' dems Cerberus. They genuinely try to save the world by resurrecting Shepard, unintentionally sabotage his mission with crap decisions and then go against everything they believed in by helping the Reapers.
Can't take dem seriously, oh no you can't.
It's sad because I do like them...but they do some dumb sh*t.
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#78
Posté 23 juin 2011 - 07:09
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Ryzaki wrote...
AngelicMachinery wrote...
If were taking emotional stability as the only way to choose characters than the only character in game will be Jacob.
I never said completely stable. But her default is rage and vitrol towards Cerberus whose ship she's on...it makes zero sense that she's forced. Okeer can be justified by saying "well we needed his info and since he kicked the bucket we might as well pick up Grunt.", You need Mordin's countermeasure, Garrus has single handily held off three merc gangs and you don't know much about him (before it's revealed that Archangel's Garrus). However nothing suggests he has a vendetta against the organization you're working for.
And Jacob isn't emotionally stable. He's just damn good at keeping his problems to himself. Which is something that Shepard should be seeking out.
It also makes zero sense that Cerberus would put the fate of humanity in the hand of aliens, but, ya know... that happens too.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 07:14
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It also makes zero sense that Cerberus would put the fate of humanity in the hand of aliens, but, ya know... that happens too.
Except they didn't. Shepard and Miranda are both humans. TIM placed the fate of humanity in Shepard's hands. Which makes perfect sense. He also saw useful aliens and suggested Shepard recruit them.
And I don't think TIM's crazy enough to turn down useful aid to his cause no matter the source. Especially not as soldiers (since the rachni and lot were trying to be used for shocktroopers.). It's not like he's giving them government positions. They're getting shot at and all of them are under a human's commad (Shepard's).
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 07:20
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Rachni, husks, etc aren’t meant to be used in important missions. They were meant to be tossed in the direction of an enemy hoping to soften them up so the main forces had an easier time with the opponents they were strictly expandable. Even if the suicide mission was a suicide mission it was far more important than simple tossing enemies at the collectors, they needed to be people that TIM could trust. Sure, they were under Shepard’s command but they were chosen by TIM. Samara herself is perhaps the silliest choices because she follows a dogma that in many ways goes against everything Cerberus stands for.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 07:21
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In Ashley's defense she's not really a racist.
Her 'can't tell the aliens from the animals' comment was harsh, but I think one offensive statement doesn't necessarily make a person a racist. You have to judge the character based upon their deeds and words througout the whole game, and Ashley as a whole is fairly tolerant.
Consider that she tells Tali in one of those elevator conversations that she hopes Tali's service on Shep's squad will get people to view Quarians with less bigotry. (or something to that effect) Ashley is also fairly hostile towards the racist Terra Firma party and she also, as you know from ME2, *really* does not like Cerberus.
Her 'can't tell the aliens from the animals' comment was harsh, but I think one offensive statement doesn't necessarily make a person a racist. You have to judge the character based upon their deeds and words througout the whole game, and Ashley as a whole is fairly tolerant.
Consider that she tells Tali in one of those elevator conversations that she hopes Tali's service on Shep's squad will get people to view Quarians with less bigotry. (or something to that effect) Ashley is also fairly hostile towards the racist Terra Firma party and she also, as you know from ME2, *really* does not like Cerberus.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 07:31
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hahaha at DoNotIngest ...that post was hilarious.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 07:31
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AngelicMachinery wrote...
Rachni, husks, etc aren’t meant to be used in important missions. They were meant to be tossed in the direction of an enemy hoping to soften them up so the main forces had an easier time with the opponents they were strictly expandable. Even if the suicide mission was a suicide mission it was far more important than simple tossing enemies at the collectors, they needed to be people that TIM could trust. Sure, they were under Shepard’s command but they were chosen by TIM. Samara herself is perhaps the silliest choices because she follows a dogma that in many ways goes against everything Cerberus stands for.
No they didn't need to be people TIM could trust. They needed to be people he could use. Samara's code can be used against her so I actually see her as a reasonable choice. There's a reason TIM made sure no Kai Lang's were on the Normandy. He's not an idiot. Samara would judge the situation for herself and there was nothing morally questionable that could be linked directly to him or to the members of the Normandy. She'd have no reason to attack. (and I'm pretty sure that Code forbids her attacking just due to rumors).
As long as TIM controlled what information they got he's golden. And the aliens aren't used on any missions that would harm Cerberus. They're used as cleanup crew. (as is Shepard for that matter). The only thing they'd see is info about the collectors and Shepard would always be there during important missions. Everything morally dubious could be said "gone rogue." and Cerberus as a whole would remain clean. Jack on the other hand has no code to be used against her. Samara is the safer choice to use. Especially after she gives her oath to Shepard.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 07:38
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You are of course working under the assumption that Samara was willing to swear herself to a Renegade Shepard, because the character for some reason screams “KILL ME!” to the justicar even though there is literally no difference between them. They are both brutal individuals attempting to improve the lot of the galaxy. Not to mention characters like Zaed, Thane, or Grunt (I’m sure Okeer was even worse) who essential say “Screw the rules I’m awesome.” It’s contrived that such a character would swear allegiance to Shepard just because she says “Let’s like go kill the reapers LOLOLOLOL”
Alien’s are constantly being used in missions that could harm humanity though. It’s assumed that such characters will play nice simply because it’s for the greater good, when, they could easily take humanity down a peg and make life easier for their own race by eliminating a competitor. You would assume someone in TIM’s position would trust humans no matter how crazy they were over any alien.
Alien’s are constantly being used in missions that could harm humanity though. It’s assumed that such characters will play nice simply because it’s for the greater good, when, they could easily take humanity down a peg and make life easier for their own race by eliminating a competitor. You would assume someone in TIM’s position would trust humans no matter how crazy they were over any alien.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 07:44
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 07:47
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Antivenger wrote...
LPPrince wrote...
Well, in all actuality she isn't a racist nor a bigot.
This is extrospection WIN.
Thats Ashley digging herself in deeper.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 07:49
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AngelicMachinery wrote...
You are of course working under the assumption that Samara was willing to swear herself to a Renegade Shepard, because the character for some reason screams “KILL ME!” to the justicar even though there is literally no difference between them. They are both brutal individuals attempting to improve the lot of the galaxy. Not to mention characters like Zaed, Thane, or Grunt (I’m sure Okeer was even worse) who essential say “Screw the rules I’m awesome.” It’s contrived that such a character would swear allegiance to Shepard just because she says “Let’s like go kill the reapers LOLOLOLOL”
Alien’s are constantly being used in missions that could harm humanity though. It’s assumed that such characters will play nice simply because it’s for the greater good, when, they could easily take humanity down a peg and make life easier for their own race by eliminating a competitor. You would assume someone in TIM’s position would trust humans no matter how crazy they were over any alien.
Renegade Shepard's a douche but I've never seen him kill anyone that was an innocent. To me the whole "I'll hunt you down." thing was ridculous. Or it should've applied for paragons and renegades. Also why wouldn't she swear herself to renegade Shepard? She knows nothing about him (or paragon Shepard) other than him doing what she askd and needing her help to save people. Beig abrasive doesn't make someone a criminal.
Zaeed was paid off (and is promised Shep's assistance), Thane is...I can't even find a good reason for Thane to be on the Normandy. He' a good assassin? I dunno he's just fanservice to me. He's dying and bored is the best I can come up with. Grunt was given to Shepard. Shepard made the decision to open that tank not TIM. Grunt actually has the most solid reason to swear allegiance. He's a Krogan. He wants to fight. Shepard gives him what he wants and is strong enough to keep him in line. That's plenty of reason for a Krogan to follow someone around. Where else can he go?
What missions could harm humanity that aliens are used on? And where can they "easily" take humanity down a peg? Cerberus =! humanity. Despite what TIM says at endgame. The only mission where humanity might be threatened (the greybox) is the mission where there's only Shepard and Kasumi and neither of them are gonna spread that around.
TIM wouldn't trust *anyone* that he didn't handpick human or no. I don't see him even trusting Shepard. They're just tools to be used. If a tool gets the job done I'm not gonna get picky about how it looks.
Trusting someone who has a personal vendetta against your organization over someone who is aloof and neutral towards it is ridculous. It doesn't matter if the former is human and the latter is alien. The latter will always be the saner and more reasonable choice. And if the latter has something that can easily be used against them all the better.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 07:51
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What's racist about not trusting aliens? I think people throw that word around so much anymore, it's lost it's meaning. Would you define Cerberus as a racist organization?
Ash is a character that is not very trusting of people or things she is not familiar with.
Religious? Well half of the characters in the story have some sort of religious based belief system: Thane, the entire Asari race....that reason is a little weak.
Ash is a character that is not very trusting of people or things she is not familiar with.
Religious? Well half of the characters in the story have some sort of religious based belief system: Thane, the entire Asari race....that reason is a little weak.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 07:53
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Thane is on the Normandy because he's a dead man and he wants to do something good with his last days alive. That's pretty much it.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 07:55
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Now you're flaming and getting a little bit off topic >.< I don't see the purpose of this thread is to rage about or to hate characters :S
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 08:04
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ive always wondered how Jack's "bra" absorbed all those bullets. Not to say anything negative about the character, it just irks me sometimes.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 08:05
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I liked talking with Thane a lot more than I liked talking with anyone else on the Normandy.
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Posté 23 juin 2011 - 10:17
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ive always wondered how Jack's "bra" absorbed all those bullets. Not to say anything negative about the character, it just irks me sometimes.
Agrees...
Then again. Body armor is for sissies.
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Posté 24 juin 2011 - 03:59
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Hellbound555 wrote...
Antivenger wrote...
LPPrince wrote...
Well, in all actuality she isn't a racist nor a bigot.
This is extrospection WIN.
Thats Ashley digging herself in deeper.
There's a saying in my country for that.
"Going in the right ear and coming out the left".
Really dude, I don't mind if you hate the character. We all have our opinions. But what's with all this talk of her being racist? Enlighten me, please.
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Posté 24 juin 2011 - 04:03
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They all have their moments. Writers and voice actors are human beings, after all.
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Posté 24 juin 2011 - 04:13
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I agree about Thane. He didn't feel like a character to me. Even Jacob is more real.
I disagree about EDI. I think she sounds completely inhuman when she says, "Give me the ship." Her voice carries no intonations at all - no fear, no passion, no pressure of time behind it, not even the desire to have the ship. Her voice is quiet and completely indifferent. At that moment, it feels like you're asked to hand over the ship directly into the hands of the enemy, even though the ship is already lost.
Then again, the whole episode with Joker and EDI saving the ship is pure brilliance. It's so poignant that I didn't play through it more than twice, in fear of dulling the impression. To have the fate of the entire mission, and, by extension, the fate of the entire galaxy, depend on Joker's speed, when he can't even walk well, and on him overcoming his distrust for the AI when he resented her throughout the game, it was very intense. You can tell he's truly terrified that he'd made the wrong choice when she tells him that joke.
You can tell that the enemy is testing the weak point of your crew here. That's why the crew should have no weak points. Every member of the crew should be able to fight, even non-combatants. Every member of the crew should be in complete agreement with all the other members, or else under pressure the chain will be broken at this very link. I really think that Shepard should've left either Miranda or Jack behind, before going on that mission. I believe it would make no sense of Harbinger not to exploit the disagreements within the enemy ranks in ME3. It's a ripe ground for indoctrination. But I'm straying off topic.
I strongly disagree about Grunt. He's the only member of the crew I felt any kind of emotional attachment to.
I disagree about EDI. I think she sounds completely inhuman when she says, "Give me the ship." Her voice carries no intonations at all - no fear, no passion, no pressure of time behind it, not even the desire to have the ship. Her voice is quiet and completely indifferent. At that moment, it feels like you're asked to hand over the ship directly into the hands of the enemy, even though the ship is already lost.
Then again, the whole episode with Joker and EDI saving the ship is pure brilliance. It's so poignant that I didn't play through it more than twice, in fear of dulling the impression. To have the fate of the entire mission, and, by extension, the fate of the entire galaxy, depend on Joker's speed, when he can't even walk well, and on him overcoming his distrust for the AI when he resented her throughout the game, it was very intense. You can tell he's truly terrified that he'd made the wrong choice when she tells him that joke.
You can tell that the enemy is testing the weak point of your crew here. That's why the crew should have no weak points. Every member of the crew should be able to fight, even non-combatants. Every member of the crew should be in complete agreement with all the other members, or else under pressure the chain will be broken at this very link. I really think that Shepard should've left either Miranda or Jack behind, before going on that mission. I believe it would make no sense of Harbinger not to exploit the disagreements within the enemy ranks in ME3. It's a ripe ground for indoctrination. But I'm straying off topic.
I strongly disagree about Grunt. He's the only member of the crew I felt any kind of emotional attachment to.
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Posté 24 juin 2011 - 04:17
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1. Jack(do I really have to explain?)
2. Liara: while I like her, she did one serious 180 from innocent girl to ruthless b****.
3. Kaiden/Ashly: Liked his/her in ME1 but on horizon, WTF?!!
4. Grunt: just wants to kill
Others are ok for the most part.
2. Liara: while I like her, she did one serious 180 from innocent girl to ruthless b****.
3. Kaiden/Ashly: Liked his/her in ME1 but on horizon, WTF?!!
4. Grunt: just wants to kill
Others are ok for the most part.
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Posté 24 juin 2011 - 04:22
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In response to the OP, I believe they had such a huge emphasis on Thane in ME2 because he won't have as much of an impact in ME3, considering he may be on his death bed.
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Posté 24 juin 2011 - 04:22
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Kelly: Too naive...walks around with her eyes and ears sealed shut.
Liara: Falls all over Shep way too quickly and her constant weak moments in ME1....always needing to lie down.
Miranda: How can my manShep take her seriously when she's always shoving her a** in his face and telling him how perfect she is meant to be....his thinking more shallow trollop than anything, especially upon reading her dossier on LotSB also.
Grunt: Runs on blood lust, what more can I say.
Liara: Falls all over Shep way too quickly and her constant weak moments in ME1....always needing to lie down.
Miranda: How can my manShep take her seriously when she's always shoving her a** in his face and telling him how perfect she is meant to be....his thinking more shallow trollop than anything, especially upon reading her dossier on LotSB also.
Grunt: Runs on blood lust, what more can I say.
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Posté 24 juin 2011 - 07:34
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"I feel like I'm pissed off, I'm a dangerous ****. But then I'm a little girl again."
What can i say...
What can i say...
