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[Mr.House]

Shepard.

[The Twilight God]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Characters I can't take seriously:

The Council. I hope the Citadel mildly indoctinates people on the presidium overa long period of time and makes them dismiss the reapers. Otherwise, their stupidity is just too much to be true.

I third that one!!

A reaper is on top of you and you say it's not? WTH?!!

Asari Counselor on trial for her assistance in destroying the Citadel because of indoctrination!

"How do you plead?"

Councilor: GUILTY!!

Shepard: No comment!!

Even their lack of curiousity seems unreal. You've been using mass relays and the Citadel for how long and you NEVER bothered to figue out how it works? Not only that, but you made it illegal to try and find out just what the f the keepers are or where they come from in all those thousands of years? Salarians are naturally inquisitive and the citadel races technological stagnation goes against that very nature.

[Goneaviking]

Jack.

I like the character, and see her less as a petulant child and more as a traumatized abuse survivor, but the build up to the character and then the actual playing of the character don't match up.

The warden sees her as the most hateful and dangerous individual he's ever encountered, the inmate who initially wants you the buy him changes his mind when he hears you're there for Jack and then she annihilates three heavy mechs in the five seconds it takes you to get down to her holding cell... and then she's just another biotic.

Angry and unstable certainly, but she doesn't live up to the hype and she never lives up to that opening (and off camera) feat of destruction for the rest of the game.

Inflated expectations lead to disappointment. Oh well.

[Repearized Miranda]

Mr.House wrote...

Shepard.

I'd never thought I'd see that. (Most likely it's a VA thing, right?) Just asking

[The Twilight God]

Goneaviking wrote...

Jack.

I like the character, and see her less as a petulant child and more as a traumatized abuse survivor, but the build up to the character and then the actual playing of the character don't match up.

The warden sees her as the most hateful and dangerous individual he's ever encountered, the inmate who initially wants you the buy him changes his mind when he hears you're there for Jack and then she annihilates three heavy mechs in the five seconds it takes you to get down to her holding cell... and then she's just another biotic.

Angry and unstable certainly, but she doesn't live up to the hype and she never lives up to that opening (and off camera) feat of destruction for the rest of the game.

Inflated expectations lead to disappointment. Oh well.

Your basing her actual biotic power on gameplay mechanics? You must be disappointed  in almost every single character then.

[Melra]

Tali. When the first thing you remember about a character is the whiny attitude, then... yeah. There are others, that I can take seriously, but still strongly dislike, but Tali is the only one who fits this.

Modifié par Melrache, 26 juin 2011 - 01:03 .

[redBadger14]

Melrache wrote...

Tali. When the first thing you remember about a character is the whiny attitude, then... yeah. There others, that I can take seriously, but still strongly dislike, but Tali is the only one who fits this.

*hands Melrache a flame shield*

XD

Edit: Oh, and the characters I can't take seriously are the alien councilors, especially the Turian councilor

Can't wait to see their reaction to the galaxy-wide Reaper invasion in ME3!

Modifié par redBadger14, 26 juin 2011 - 01:04 .

[Harmless Crunch]

Kelly....
Don't get me wrong I like her character and I thought her job made sense.
However when you call her up to your cabin....seriously?!? The sweet secretary who you've only ever had dinner with once is now pole dancing in a stripper outfit becuase....ummm....yeah...

It reminded me of the old Metroid games where your "reward" for completing the game was seeing Samus in a bikini.
You know, kinda pointless and completley betratays the character's personalitly so far and all for "ZOMG SEXAHY BEWBS".

[Repearized Miranda]

The Twilight God wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

Jack.

I like the character, and see her less as a petulant child and more as a traumatized abuse survivor, but the build up to the character and then the actual playing of the character don't match up.

The warden sees her as the most hateful and dangerous individual he's ever encountered, the inmate who initially wants you the buy him changes his mind when he hears you're there for Jack and then she annihilates three heavy mechs in the five seconds it takes you to get down to her holding cell... and then she's just another biotic.

Angry and unstable certainly, but she doesn't live up to the hype and she never lives up to that opening (and off camera) feat of destruction for the rest of the game.

Inflated expectations lead to disappointment. Oh well.

Your basing her actual biotic power on gameplay mechanics? You must be disappointed  in almost every single character then.

In viking's defense - there is that "Shepard should use his/her abilities as opposed to firing a gun. Jack and Samara biotic prowess in the appropriate cutscenes apply. 

However, to counter viking's point, gameplay and cinematics are totally different. Not even in ME1 did people expect Garrus' Overload to blow up the galaxy - not when he got into actual combat. (Heavily exaggerated of course) Ironically, that is what the cinematics do. 

Jack could very easily take out three mechs with Shockwave if the difficulty is set accordingly, if it's upgraded properly or if her teammates (including Shepard) wears them down significantly.

But, alas, TTG is correct.

[Repearized Miranda]

Harmless Crunch wrote...

Kelly....
Don't get me wrong I like her character and I thought her job made sense.
However when you call her up to your cabin....seriously?!? The sweet secretary who you've only ever had dinner with once is now pole dancing in a stripper outfit becuase....ummm....yeah...

It reminded me of the old Metroid games where your "reward" for completing the game was seeing Samus in a bikini.
You know, kinda pointless and completley betratays the character's personalitly so far and all for "ZOMG SEXAHY BEWBS".

You must have done something - RIGHT! Why the hell are you complaining? 

That is what some would call a curve-ball and you hit a home-run!!

Seriously, that really does seem out of place; then, again, you can have Shepard watch the professionals do such in the clubs. IA though! Way out there!!

[DarkDragon777]

Characters I cannot take seriously:

-Jack
-Kelly Chambers

[Nightdragon8]

LetsGoToMyHouse wrote...

I can't say that there is a specific character I can't take seriously.

However, I have romanced Miranda once or twice in my many play through, and always kinda regret it during the scene after the Collectors abduct the crew. The way she just snaps at Joker when he really was not in any position to help, and had no idea how the situation could have been avoided, just really irks me. To be honest, the scene makes me kind of wish there was an option for Shepard to say something along the lines of, "Miranda, if I had to choose between you and Joker over who is valuable to me and this crew, you would be heading out the airlock."

In this case I would put it up to self hate projecting onto someone else... and in reality yes he did it without the chain of command but, I have and always will support Joker in his decision to do so.

Because in reality she probably wasn't "required" to go along with Shep but went anyway. And if anything should be more angry at Shep than Joker. But people will snap at people below them than they will above them.

Is it right.. no but it happens anyway.

For me the Council, they say they have full confendnce in the spectures but turn around and doesn't believe Shep. He talks about the holo Vigl. Did they even try restoring power, or are the invigation teams and council members already indoctrinated. Because it was sensitive to the indoctrination. So maybe even an overseer would cause it not to activate.

Also the whole scenario of Arrival seems alittle far feached... So Harbeger was able to get enough of a grip to stop them from doing it but not enough to force them to disable it prementaly.

THe only other is Kelly... don't get me wrong... honestly I think it was more of a Diana Troy sort of thing.

[Dean_the_Young]

Shepard: Renegade and Paragon both, be it for different reasons. Renegade because a certain level of political tact is a necessity for high-profile representatives, even in the military. Paragon because that sort of idealism doesn't survive in positions of authority and responsibility for a reason.

Sadly, pretty much half the people in ME2 as well. It's rather sad when the most sensible people in a crew includes a kleptomaniac, a war criminal, and a veteran.

Jack was remarkably over the top in both concept and conduct. I could almost have believed it had she put on a shirt, but the blatant emotional appeals of angsty-sad past backstory are not what works with me. Teltin was both over the top and not enough: pointless savagery just to make a point of how bad she had it.

Miranda as the blatant sex symbol 2. I bought the DLC with alternative costume just for the combat armor. Otherwise, she's such a standard tsundere that the only way I'd see her character as 'interesting' will be if it turns out she's been leading Shepard this whole time and is still a Cerberus loyalist. Loyalists are loyalists because they aren't the sort of people to switch allegiences because someone does them a favor: now, if Miranda reveals in ME3 that she's been faking it the whole time to manipulate Shepard into thinking that Miranda was converted, I'd be impressed. Otherwise, I've gotten more intersting tough-girl characters from cartoons.

Continuing the sexualization implausibility is Samara, who's a big-boobed Asari because... because apparently it's Asari culture, even though not even her hedonist amoral daughter wheres that sort of outfit. Combine that with a blatant romanticization of teleological ethics, and I agree fully with the person who said they would be terrified to live in a socieity in which Justicars exist and have power.

Morinth was also impossible to take seriously. On a conceptual level, I like the idea: an amoral black-widow seductress. The execution was so over the top, however, it lost all effect. Yes, find the apparently one young, attractive, virginal 'pure' girl on Omega to be a victim: that's not a blatant appeal to emotions. Then, when Bioware couldn't even provide unique dialogue... what a waste. And what a charicature we were left with.

People have already gone over Thane in detail. Grunt as well.

I'd throw in Liara from the perspective of 'wtf' character change. The shift from a socially inept, somewhat naive young girl in ME1 to an 'edgy', super-effective intelligence broker action-girl was quite a waste of a character I didn't even care much about before the silly bomb dropped.

Tali's change from 'unexperienced pilgrimage girl who can handle herself' to 'best of the best' never struck my as particularly justified by, well, anything. I think her retroactive crush is silly as well.

[Labrev]

Goneaviking wrote...

Jack.

I like the character, and see her less as a petulant child and more as a traumatized abuse survivor, but the build up to the character and then the actual playing of the character don't match up.

The warden sees her as the most hateful and dangerous individual he's ever encountered, the inmate who initially wants you the buy him changes his mind when he hears you're there for Jack and then she annihilates three heavy mechs in the five seconds it takes you to get down to her holding cell... and then she's just another biotic.

Angry and unstable certainly, but she doesn't live up to the hype and she never lives up to that opening (and off camera) feat of destruction for the rest of the game.

Inflated expectations lead to disappointment. Oh well.

This too. Going by the story alone, Jack really isn't all that bad compared to many others that we see. I wouldn't even say I'm convinced about her "anger problems" either. Other than siding with Miranda during that fight, she's actually kinda chill and you can't really get under her skin or see her get real heated at all. Even post-catfight if you didn't take her side she's just like "I got nothing to say to you."

[Repearized Miranda]

Nightdragon8 wrote...

LetsGoToMyHouse wrote...

I can't say that there is a specific character I can't take seriously.

However, I have romanced Miranda once or twice in my many play through, and always kinda regret it during the scene after the Collectors abduct the crew. The way she just snaps at Joker when he really was not in any position to help, and had no idea how the situation could have been avoided, just really irks me. To be honest, the scene makes me kind of wish there was an option for Shepard to say something along the lines of, "Miranda, if I had to choose between you and Joker over who is valuable to me and this crew, you would be heading out the airlock."

In this case I would put it up to self hate projecting onto someone else... and in reality yes he did it without the chain of command but, I have and always will support Joker in his decision to do so.

Because in reality she probably wasn't "required" to go along with Shep but went anyway. And if anything should be more angry at Shep than Joker. But people will snap at people below them than they will above them.

Is it right.. no but it happens anyway.

For me the Council, they say they have full confendnce in the spectures but turn around and doesn't believe Shep. He talks about the holo Vigl. Did they even try restoring power, or are the invigation teams and council members already indoctrinated. Because it was sensitive to the indoctrination. So maybe even an overseer would cause it not to activate.

Also the whole scenario of Arrival seems alittle far feached... So Harbeger was able to get enough of a grip to stop them from doing it but not enough to force them to disable it prementaly.

THe only other is Kelly... don't get me wrong... honestly I think it was more of a Diana Troy sort of thing.

Her reaction was more shock than hate. Would you say this if Shepard said it? It's no different than the guy after the Collectors take off with the colonists, He thinks it's my fault, I let it happen. ("I did what I could I'm sorry!") However, neither his nor Miranda's was inappropriate. Miranda's tone may have pissed you off, but what she said shouldn'tve. (As Renegade Shepard said: "There's no need to place blame!")

[Medhia Nox]

I wonder - if we could get a synopsis of the people on this thread. Having only a handful of hours (120 worth perhaps - for both games) to review their "full personality" - if we would not find a great deal of them to be highly implausible and unbelievable.

[Fidget6]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I wonder - if we could get a synopsis of the people on this thread. Having only a handful of hours (120 worth perhaps - for both games) to review their "full personality" - if we would not find a great deal of them to be highly implausible and unbelievable.

I am most certainly not a trope! =0

[DoNotIngest]

Medhia Nox wrote...

I wonder - if we could get a synopsis of the people on this thread. Having only a handful of hours (120 worth perhaps - for both games) to review their "full personality" - if we would not find a great deal of them to be highly implausible and unbelievable.

Hey now! I'm a lazy, slightly overweight fapmaster. What's so unbelievable about that?

[MigrantFleetCitizen]

all volus and elcor

[Fidget6]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Hey now! I'm a lazy, slightly overweight fapmaster. What's so unbelievable about that?

Me too!

[Medhia Nox]

@DoNotIngest: Nothing at all... people just don't normally write stories about those types of characters.

Though there's actually a fairly interesting Warhammer 40K character that fits that mold.

[DoNotIngest]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@DoNotIngest: Nothing at all... people just don't normally write stories about those types of characters.

Though there's actually a fairly interesting Warhammer 40K character that fits that mold.

Finally! A character I can relate to!



What the Galaxy needs is a tall, hairy, slightly chubby individual, with long, well-tended hair, who prances around an empty house in boxers and a housecoat, pretending to be saviour of the Galaxy. He has great imagination, and little talent or luck with the ladies. This is the protaganist we deserve!





Yeah.

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 26 juin 2011 - 05:21 .

[Goneaviking]

The Twilight God wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

Jack.

I like the character, and see her less as a petulant child and more as a traumatized abuse survivor, but the build up to the character and then the actual playing of the character don't match up.

The warden sees her as the most hateful and dangerous individual he's ever encountered, the inmate who initially wants you the buy him changes his mind when he hears you're there for Jack and then she annihilates three heavy mechs in the five seconds it takes you to get down to her holding cell... and then she's just another biotic.

Angry and unstable certainly, but she doesn't live up to the hype and she never lives up to that opening (and off camera) feat of destruction for the rest of the game.

Inflated expectations lead to disappointment. Oh well.

Your basing her actual biotic power on gameplay mechanics? You must be disappointed  in almost every single character then.

The other characters don't have that kind of build up (except for Grunt, kind of).

[LetsGoToMyHouse]

Repearized Miranda wrote...

Nightdragon8 wrote...

LetsGoToMyHouse wrote...

I can't say that there is a specific character I can't take seriously.

However, I have romanced Miranda once or twice in my many play through, and always kinda regret it during the scene after the Collectors abduct the crew. The way she just snaps at Joker when he really was not in any position to help, and had no idea how the situation could have been avoided, just really irks me. To be honest, the scene makes me kind of wish there was an option for Shepard to say something along the lines of, "Miranda, if I had to choose between you and Joker over who is valuable to me and this crew, you would be heading out the airlock."

In this case I would put it up to self hate projecting onto someone else... and in reality yes he did it without the chain of command but, I have and always will support Joker in his decision to do so.

Because in reality she probably wasn't "required" to go along with Shep but went anyway. And if anything should be more angry at Shep than Joker. But people will snap at people below them than they will above them.

Is it right.. no but it happens anyway.

For me the Council, they say they have full confendnce in the spectures but turn around and doesn't believe Shep. He talks about the holo Vigl. Did they even try restoring power, or are the invigation teams and council members already indoctrinated. Because it was sensitive to the indoctrination. So maybe even an overseer would cause it not to activate.

Also the whole scenario of Arrival seems alittle far feached... So Harbeger was able to get enough of a grip to stop them from doing it but not enough to force them to disable it prementaly.

THe only other is Kelly... don't get me wrong... honestly I think it was more of a Diana Troy sort of thing.

Her reaction was more shock than hate. Would you say this if Shepard said it? It's no different than the guy after the Collectors take off with the colonists, He thinks it's my fault, I let it happen. ("I did what I could I'm sorry!") However, neither his nor Miranda's was inappropriate. Miranda's tone may have pissed you off, but what she said shouldn'tve. (As Renegade Shepard said: "There's no need to place blame!")

You and Nightdragon8 have valid points. I didn't intend for my post to suggest I didn't understand why she reacted the way she did. It is totally understandable. I agree that her tone was the main factor that set me off. You could probably compare it to a situation where someone you've known for only a short time blames a really good friend of yours for something. While you may like this person, you can't help but feel defensive for your close friend. Especially when they did the best they could considering their limitations

Like I said, there isn't a character I can say I don't take seriously at all. And I do like Miranda. I just wanted to share an instance where her character bothered me. I apologize if I didn't explain it well.