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[GodWood]

The companions in DA2 were fine. (except Bethany)
It was the gameplay, design choices, plot and presentation that sucked.

[Iceyone]

Quick answer - No, you're not.

Wall 'O' text answer -

I normally avoid these topics as I have very little knowledge or experience with rpg games. My first ever rpg was DAO, only bought for me Xmas just past, up until then I was an FPS and MMO gamer.
I reckon I was spoiled with DAO being my first ever experience, it blew me away, absolutely loved it, numerous playthroughs, eventually adding some mods for even more playability. Having nothing to compare it to, I didn't notice any flaws, to me, it was pretty much perfect (at that time).
I then bought DA:A expansion, enjoyed it too but only played a couple of times before I bought DA:2.
When I first played DA2 I was confused (for want of a better word) as being a sequel I expected a number of similarities between games, my first playthrough I was pretty much indifferent, I was impressed with the graphics and the battle style but it was so different in my limited experience that it felt somewhat disjointed from the DA games I had played prior, so it felt a little like a completely new game series.
However, after now completing numerous playthroughs, it's truly won me over, I really enjoy it, like others, I'd love more companion interactions and wider exploration ability and no doubt it required a tad more polishing but off the bat I reckon it was a brave move on behalf of Bioware into new territory for this series, its never easy venturing off the tried and tested routes and for the most part I'm happy with what they are attempting to create.

As a side note, my husband couldn't get into DA atall, just didnt like it, he plays ME2 and loves it, I've tried ME2 and couldn't get a grasp on it, basically, different strokes for different folks!

[bEVEsthda]

<studies this thread to put down names on a list >

[Xalen]

Wow, three pages and the thread is still civil and mostly positive? Isn't this a record for DA2 forums?

Anyway, OP, you're not alone, we are many.

I want to comment on one thing:

SlyTF1 wrote...

I think DAO was a better made game.

I definitely agree with you on that one. DAO was a better made game (alright, in my opinion), but I enjoyed DA2 so much more. The possibility of non-linear correlation between overall quality of the game and enjoyment is often overlooked by some critics of DA2.

[Kaneda Kei]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Kaneda Kei wrote...

Have you bothered to actually play other rpgs? or have you bothered playing Origins to it's fullest?

You're telling me Varric is a "shallow" character compared to, say, OGHREN?!

If you want to do a one-to-one comparison, here's what I'd say:

Aveline > Wynne
Leliana = Merril
Isabela > Zevran
Varric > Oghren
Sten > Fenris 
Morrigan > Anders
Shale > Sebastian
Alistair > Bethany/Carver, but this is largely because Bethany and Carver are temp characters.
Dog = Dog

Comes out about even.

Arishok > Loghain  (Yes, even with Simon Templeman's voice.)
Seamus > Cailan  (Poor kid.)  
Petrice > Bhelen (Bhelen made me roll my eyes.  Petrice made me want to scratch her eyes out.)
Keeper Marithari > Zathrien (Although the Lady is far cooler than anything Marithari was involved in, so this one's probably a wash.)
Greagoir > Meredith
Irving > Orsino (if you play a mage, if not, Orsino probably beats Irving apart from the collosal stupidity at the end)
Duncan > um, geez, who fills a plot role similar to Duncan, oh, wait, FLEMETH.  Or maybe (urrrgh) BARTRAND.

The main problem is that we got the sub-par major NPC's at the BEGINNING and the END and the REALLY SWEET ones in the MIDDLE, whereas in Origins there were a couple good ones at the beginning, a *ton* of forgettable pointless ones in the middle, then several good ones again at the end.

Varric was actually the only character that i actually liked.
A lot of the companions i had in DA II i just wanted to kill them.
While Alistair and Morrigan are really unforgettable characters and no matter how many hours i've put in DAO i never hate the characters whenever i start a new game because they were so fleshed out and felt alive.
Sure it's stil a game but for a game it felt so real.
I mean look at Loghain he felt to me like a real evil villain but at the end you are starting to have doubts of wether to kill him or not.
It's the same with Bhelen and Harrowmont if you look at it from the outside harrowmont is the good guy while bhelen is the bad guy but if you've been trough the dwarf origins and really played orzammer to it's fullest then it seems that it's not good vs evil but it's really gray.
Dragon age II felt like playing crap it was everything that DAO did not stand for to me.
i don't give a crap about gameplay nor graphics, but i play RPGS for their amazing story lines and their characters the feel so realistic.
I don't want to play some ****ty hack and slash game with crappy story line that doesn't feel epic at all.
Compare that part in Origins before you storm denerim with all the darkspawn you get amazing talks with your allys or that speech that Anore/Alistair it felt so epic and it really put that dark mood of origins.
While in Dragon Age II you get some ****ty speech if your at the mage side about we can't give up because......????
The whole ending with the mages was done so horribly Orsino turning into Harverster without any reason we weren't losing at all yet the douche bag turns into a copy of the Harvester and doesn't even take out some templars with him.
It's all so horrible done i don't believe how you can like it.
The only reason i'm still here is because i hope bioware will still make something of DA3.

[Il Divo]

I enjoyed both games a ****-ton. Perhaps Origins a little more because it felt more complete and Alistair/Morrigan are my favorite Bioware characters, bar none.

I did however really like the talent/spell system that DA2 implemented and felt like I got my money's worth.

Modifié par Il Divo, 24 juin 2011 - 03:10 .

[Il Divo]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

Arishok > Loghain  (Yes, even with Simon Templeman's voice.)

Blasphemer! 

[mopotter]

Nope not alone. Maybe we all have different reasons, and few, if any, will have the same reasons I do, but I also prefer DA2.

I enjoyed DA:O and loved the characters, but I sold my copy of DA:O after playing all of the backgrounds, doing different romances and checking with other players, I figured out there was no way to save Alistair and my character without Morrigan's "help", but I could save us both as a friend by having him Marry the Queen. So The idea that friendship is more important than love sent the game back to the store and I picked up something else,

DA:2 is fun, I like the characters and I don't hate any of the endings, even the ones where the LI joins the other side. So yes, I will keep DA2 and look forward to seeing what DA3 is like.

[Iakus]

I enjoyed DA2, but it can't hold a candle to DAO. The reasons are many, but the biggest thing for me is in DAO I felt like a participant in the story, while in DA2 I was little more than an observer.

[upsettingshorts]

My incredibly brief summary: Some folks say they didn't feel like Hawke was their character. I didn't feel like the Warden was capable of being a character.

The other things I can take or leave, ultimately.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 24 juin 2011 - 04:37 .

[Blenhim]

I perfered DAO but this game was good too. It was very different and fthe first few times I played
it I was always comparing but once I quit that I enjoyed it.

[TOBY FLENDERSON]

Yes, and i suggest you get that brain damage looked at.

[Nighteye2]

furryrage59 wrote...

You're not alone but likely in the minority.

The drop in quality in number 2 was a shame as it could have been a truly epic game. I think alot of people are worried about what they will do to number 3 already.

This.

[erynnar]

OP there are plenty who love DA2 more than DAO. Sadly, I am not one of them.

I did find it interesting that you said you are not one who likes RPG elements. Yep, DA2 was made for you and other players like you. That new shiny audience BioWare and EA were going for.

It will be interesting to see with DLC and DA3 if they won enough of your crowd to make up for the loss of the old crowd like me.

And OP, don't let anyone chase you off, okay? Liking DA2 better is not the crime that some would have you believe it is on these forums (vice versa for those of us who didn't). I like visiting with both groups. So, please, keep posting!

[billy the squid]

No you're not the only fan DA2, but those who are have revealed themselves to be minions of the nefarious masterminds behind DA2 after seizing control of BioWare.... Fu Manchu and Iago!

On a more serious note, you're not alone, but a sizeable portion of those who played DAO either didn't like DA2 or are rather unimpressed. Regarding the fact that you don't enjoy RPG elements I can see why one wouldn't enjoy DAO as much, but for one who did, personally I found DA2 overly simplistic and rather boring.

Modifié par billy the squid, 25 juin 2011 - 12:48 .

[Theagg]

erynnar wrote...

OP there are plenty who love DA2 more than DAO. Sadly, I am not one of them.

I did find it interesting that you said you are not one who likes RPG elements. Yep, DA2 was made for you and other players like you. That new shiny audience BioWare and EA were going for.

It will be interesting to see with DLC and DA3 if they won enough of your crowd to make up for the loss of the old crowd like me.

And OP, don't let anyone chase you off, okay? Liking DA2 better is not the crime that some would have you believe it is on these forums (vice versa for those of us who didn't). I like visiting with both groups. So, please, keep posting!

If only it were this simple, old crowd versus new. But it isn't. I have been playing RPG's and various other fantasy gaming formats on and off since the 1970's. That makes me 'old crowd' and yet I cannot be as 'knee jerk' dismissive of DA2 as many who like to think of themselves as the old guard here have been,

It has its faults to be sure but in many other ways it excels and betters Origins. Overall I'm not going to say one is better than the other, that depends on my mood but needless to say, they both were enjoyable.

[Theagg]

Alex Kershaw wrote...

But there's one thing I don't understand about this - if you like fast-paced games, why DA2? There are hundreds of fast-paced action games considerably better than DA2 out there.

DAO was fantastic at what it wanted to be. DA2 is just OK at being somewhere inbetween DAO and a flat-out action game.

Sure, some people prefer action games to DAO's combat, and so would prefer DA2's combat, but why not just go play an action game instead?

This doesn't really make much sense. As a PC player, the combat played in a manner that was at its core much the same as it was in Origins. It was still tactical, still pause and play, still party controlled RPG style. Only it moved a bit faster. At a speed which more approximated reality that say Origins rather slow approach. (but that was enjoyable too).

There was never any sense as I played DA2 that it was just all about hitting this so called mythical "Awesome button". Or that it was just simply hack n slash. Nothing of the sort.

It was certainly not an action game, in the manner of say Witcher 2. So that kind of answers your question for me, the reason why I prefer DA2 combat over an 'action game' (like the Witcher)

[Realmzmaster]

TOBY FLENDERSON wrote...

Yes, and i suggest you get that brain damage looked at.

I assume there is a reason for this post other than being uncivil and rude.

[Realmzmaster]

Theagg wrote...

erynnar wrote...

OP there are plenty who love DA2 more than DAO. Sadly, I am not one of them.

I did find it interesting that you said you are not one who likes RPG elements. Yep, DA2 was made for you and other players like you. That new shiny audience BioWare and EA were going for.

It will be interesting to see with DLC and DA3 if they won enough of your crowd to make up for the loss of the old crowd like me.

And OP, don't let anyone chase you off, okay? Liking DA2 better is not the crime that some would have you believe it is on these forums (vice versa for those of us who didn't). I like visiting with both groups. So, please, keep posting!

If only it were this simple, old crowd versus new. But it isn't. I have been playing RPG's and various other fantasy gaming formats on and off since the 1970's. That makes me 'old crowd' and yet I cannot be as 'knee jerk' dismissive of DA2 as many who like to think of themselves as the old guard here have been,

It has its faults to be sure but in many other ways it excels and betters Origins. Overall I'm not going to say one is better than the other, that depends on my mood but needless to say, they both were enjoyable.

I am with you Theagg. I have been playing since the early 70's. I like DA2 and I have played many of the AAA list CRPGs of old.  And I have watched other genres take on some CRPG aspects, titles such as Dragonshard, Spellforce and Age of Mythology. Even FPS are adopting aspects of CRPG.
The genres are cross pollinating. CRPGs will keep changing and evolving. Just like the old CRPgs changed.

We could go back to drawing our own maps (do not need a mini-map), resting to memorize spells, saving only at inns or camps, food and water rquirements, weight requirements, only turn based combat. No tactics screen would be necessary with turn based combat. Restrictions on the weapons and armor a character could use.

I like those good old days, but I aslo appreciate some of the new games and what they do.

[erynnar]

Theagg wrote...

erynnar wrote...

OP there are plenty who love DA2 more than DAO. Sadly, I am not one of them.

I did find it interesting that you said you are not one who likes RPG elements. Yep, DA2 was made for you and other players like you. That new shiny audience BioWare and EA were going for.

It will be interesting to see with DLC and DA3 if they won enough of your crowd to make up for the loss of the old crowd like me.

And OP, don't let anyone chase you off, okay? Liking DA2 better is not the crime that some would have you believe it is on these forums (vice versa for those of us who didn't). I like visiting with both groups. So, please, keep posting!

If only it were this simple, old crowd versus new. But it isn't. I have been playing RPG's and various other fantasy gaming formats on and off since the 1970's. That makes me 'old crowd' and yet I cannot be as 'knee jerk' dismissive of DA2 as many who like to think of themselves as the old guard here have been,

It has its faults to be sure but in many other ways it excels and betters Origins. Overall I'm not going to say one is better than the other, that depends on my mood but needless to say, they both were enjoyable.

I didn't say it was simple. Never would. I don't envy the devs or writers. There are good things about DA2. But not enough to make it shine. And as a sequel, it should be better than its predecessor. 

I didn't hate DA2, it was meh to me. From someone other than BioWare, it would have been good. From BioWare, it was meh and very flawed in many ways. And? And nothing. People loved it (YAY! For real) and many didn't. Who is in the majority on that remains to be seen. Dunno, don't have a crystal ball.

Edited to say, I only brought up old crowd vs new crowd as BioWare people have mentioned trying for a newer crowd. I didn't say it boiled down to just that.

Modifié par erynnar, 25 juin 2011 - 03:24 .

[yfullman]

I thoroughly enjoyed DA2 but it just felt like it was missing something. I felt the combat was an improvement as well as the new design for the qunari. But some of the things that were promised just weren't delievered in my opinion.

I was very excited when I first heard the game would span 10 years. I was looking forward to see how Hawke's relationship with his/her companions would evolve as the years rolled on by. But in execution the results were mostly eh. The number of conversations we had with our companions was actually cut down. During romances characters would reference things said over 4 years previous. Physically the characters remain the same. Kirkwall also remains mostly the same, aside for some slight color changes that would hardly be noticed. The game could have easily taken place in one year.

However the secondary quests were all AMAZING. Some of the best in any game I have ever played. The complexity, moral ambiguity, and how they were all connected was very well done, and superior to Origins in every way.Even after 5 playthroughs I still get chills when Hawke confronts the psychopath elf murderer. And Arishok is one of the better villains Bioware has ever done, if not the best. He is truly a hard villain to hate. Only Loghain is even comparable

The companions were polarizing for me though. Origins accomplished something no other game had ever done for me. I LOVED every single companion. I truly cared for all of them. I know in DA2 given the issues the characters of DA2 have to face they would be polarizing and have different beliefs but still. I really liked varric, isabella, bethany, and aveline, but I find it really hard to care for the others...

And erynnar for President! I have never seen someone communicate their own beliefs, while still being so well mannered and non-judgmental on this site. Hopefully people can learn from your example

[txgoldrush]

Not only do I like DAII for actually take risks and not being afraid to fail...I find DAO HIGHLY OVERRATED.

[TEWR]

you better wear your dagger proof chainmail, equip your flame resistant shield, and draw your sword of defense from its scabbard txgoldrush.


Because I just know people are going to come at you for saying that.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

txgoldrush wrote...

Not only do I like DAII for actually take risks and not being afraid to fail...I find DAO HIGHLY OVERRATED.

What risks?

Personally, the biggest risks I saw were in the art direction and shortened development time. Nothing else stands out as a big risk or "innovation" to me. At best, they are refinements and improvements on existing mechanics and elements present in other games. At worst, they are blatant rip offs of mechanics and elements that are in other games.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 25 juin 2011 - 05:17 .

[erynnar]

yfullman wrote...

I thoroughly enjoyed DA2 but it just felt like it was missing something. I felt the combat was an improvement as well as the new design for the qunari. But some of the things that were promised just weren't delievered in my opinion.

I was very excited when I first heard the game would span 10 years. I was looking forward to see how Hawke's relationship with his/her companions would evolve as the years rolled on by. But in execution the results were mostly eh. The number of conversations we had with our companions was actually cut down. During romances characters would reference things said over 4 years previous. Physically the characters remain the same. Kirkwall also remains mostly the same, aside for some slight color changes that would hardly be noticed. The game could have easily taken place in one year.

However the secondary quests were all AMAZING. Some of the best in any game I have ever played. The complexity, moral ambiguity, and how they were all connected was very well done, and superior to Origins in every way.Even after 5 playthroughs I still get chills when Hawke confronts the psychopath elf murderer. And Arishok is one of the better villains Bioware has ever done, if not the best. He is truly a hard villain to hate. Only Loghain is even comparable

The companions were polarizing for me though. Origins accomplished something no other game had ever done for me. I LOVED every single companion. I truly cared for all of them. I know in DA2 given the issues the characters of DA2 have to face they would be polarizing and have different beliefs but still. I really liked varric, isabella, bethany, and aveline, but I find it really hard to care for the others...

And erynnar for President! I have never seen someone communicate their own beliefs, while still being so well mannered and non-judgmental on this site. Hopefully people can learn from your example

Okay, I'll be over there *points* blushing! Thanks! I really do love that people loved it, that makes me happy. And we get DA3, so double YAY!