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[Eleinehmm]

darth_lopez wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

Speaking of the weird accents, what’s that
https://rapidshare.c...ple820102-1.wav
Can’t figure the accent, sounds pretty weird, certainly not French or Spanish. Non Rhotic, with strange vowels and  “r” lapses. I am not a native speaker so I can’t analyze people’s accents in English; beyond general features, that is.

 

O.o i'm not sure...i honestly have no idea. I'm dumbfounded. I don't think it's a native accent though.  Someone foreign who learned british english maybe? i would guess but I wouldn't know what country they came from.

Thanks, Heh, well at least I am not the only one having a problem with that one. It seems I will loose my bet after all.

Addai67 wrote...

The funny thing about Duncan is that Pete Renaday is (southern) American, and he also does commercials in the US using more or less Duncan voice, which does not sound British to me so much as 1940s radio announcer.  In all the old films and newsreels, people have this weird affected accent.

BTW what is the American equivalent of the RP? Is it SAE ?.  Did 1940s radio announcers have some kind of generalized SAE ?  Or was it something else entirely?

[Paradocs]

por favor wrote...

Oh where in Italy?! I just recently went to Venice and I'm going back again for Cinque Terre. {smilie}

I haven't been to Greece and Spain but I've been dying to visit for ages.

Just Florence, I think.

Edit: Yeah, I was right; just checked my itinerary.

Modifié par Paradocs, 28 juin 2011 - 06:03 .

[darth_lopez]

Eleinehmm wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

The funny thing about Duncan is that Pete Renaday is (southern) American, and he also does commercials in the US using more or less Duncan voice, which does not sound British to me so much as 1940s radio announcer.  In all the old films and newsreels, people have this weird affected accent.

BTW what is the American equivalent of the RP? Is it SAE ?.  Did 1940s radio announcers have some kind of generalized SAE ?  Or was it something else entirely?

Do you mean as what is the countries declare standard and primary media language? because if so it's Standard American English or General American, Which is basically your typical rather monotonic accent of the average midwesterner. Not like the southern states accent though both Southern American English and Standard American English are spoken widley through out the country.

(random info/ramble begins now)
The accent garden if you will for us is the states in the New England Area. New York and New Jersey have their own accent Not so sure about New Hampshire Rhode Island, Deleware, vermont, maine, marryland. The only people i know from Pennsylvania sound like Midwesterners. Kentucky and tennessee have southern drawls and i know someone from georgia who spoke like me not sure what was up there. and floridians from what i can tell speak in the same midwestern way. The southern accent can be found in nearly every state south of ohio north of florida extended from the eastern sea board to the western coast (i think or at stereotypically this is what we think in Michigan and frankly i don't want to look all that up)
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the majority of the country speaks midwestern(Stndrd A.E.) though nearly every non-new england and southern state i believe with a few exceptions(probably because the majority of the country is midwestern).

and interesting fact from what i understand there is a sound change affecting various cities in the midwest right now (mostly european immigrants from what i understand so i don't realy see how they can say at the moment it's a sound change) called the northern City Shift It's raising various vowels can't remember exactly which ones though. I do know my area is pegged for it but it is not here. unless when i looked it up last i misread the ipa vowels (which is always a possibility for me my one weakness with the ipa the vowel chart)

[Eleinehmm]

darth_lopez wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

The funny thing about Duncan is that Pete Renaday is (southern) American, and he also does commercials in the US using more or less Duncan voice, which does not sound British to me so much as 1940s radio announcer.  In all the old films and newsreels, people have this weird affected accent.

BTW what is the American equivalent of the RP? Is it SAE ?.  Did 1940s radio announcers have some kind of generalized SAE ?  Or was it something else entirely?

Do you mean as what is the countries declare standard and primary media language? because if so it's Standard American English or General American, Which is basically your typical rather monotonic accent of the average midwesterner. Not like the southern states accent though both Southern American English and Standard American English are spoken widley through out the country.

the majority of the country speaks midwestern(Stndrd A.E.) though nearly every non-new england and southern state i believe with a few exceptions(probably because the majority of the country is midwestern).

Yes, I was talking about a de facto standart.  I am aware that English speaking countries do not have prescriptive national bodies like Académie française or Real Academia Española.
Are people still trying to get their accent to match the Standard American as much as possible?

[darth_lopez]

Eleinehmm wrote...

darth_lopez wrote...

Eleinehmm wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

The funny thing about Duncan is that Pete Renaday is (southern) American, and he also does commercials in the US using more or less Duncan voice, which does not sound British to me so much as 1940s radio announcer.  In all the old films and newsreels, people have this weird affected accent.

BTW what is the American equivalent of the RP? Is it SAE ?.  Did 1940s radio announcers have some kind of generalized SAE ?  Or was it something else entirely?

Do you mean as what is the countries declare standard and primary media language? because if so it's Standard American English or General American, Which is basically your typical rather monotonic accent of the average midwesterner. Not like the southern states accent though both Southern American English and Standard American English are spoken widley through out the country.

the majority of the country speaks midwestern(Stndrd A.E.) though nearly every non-new england and southern state i believe with a few exceptions(probably because the majority of the country is midwestern).

Yes, I was talking about a de facto standart.  I am aware that English speaking countries do not have prescriptive national bodies like Académie française or Real Academia Española.
Are people still trying to get their accent to match the Standard American as much as possible?

not that i know of Most people, i think,  just go around speaking with the accent they grew up with or where they moved to. I've never actually heard of anyone trying to match standard american. I'm sure actors and famous people and news casters have to learn it(excluding politicians) but as far as i know most people here just go with the flow accent wise.

Then again i live in a place where that's the normal accent so i might just not have been exposed to any attempt to match the standard as much as possible.

Edit:What some people do try to do is match the chicago accent, new york accent, new jersey accent and southern accents. Either to mock them or because they like them. Some of us have tried to match RP or a british accent because we like it as well. I've seen plenty of people try matching RP and the Southern American Accent in earnest here.

Modifié par darth_lopez, 28 juin 2011 - 03:21 .

[Addai]

Eleinehmm wrote...
Yes, I was talking about a de facto standart.  I am aware that English speaking countries do not have prescriptive national bodies like Académie française or Real Academia Española.
Are people still trying to get their accent to match the Standard American as much as possible?

No, though I think people naturally adapt to those around them.  I also think if you have a noticeable accent, people assume you're uneducated or backward, so people in public life probably try to adapt.  Southerners face this prejudice.  Not to introduce politics, but I think it's part of the negative perception of Sarah Palin, who has a strong northern midwest accent.  Like in the film Fargo, they show a lot of rubes and you're actually pleasantly surprised that Marge ends up being smart and competent.

On the flip side, Americans tend to perceive British accents as being automatically more cultured and educated, even if they're speaking a dialect not regarded as such in Britain.  We also tend to find them sexy. 

Edit:  So, this topic got me reading a little and I found this wiki article on "rhotic/ non-rhotic" very interesting.  Rhotic being the dialects that pronounce "r's" even when they're not followed by vowels- "hard" instead of "haahd," "mister" instead of "mistah," etc.  It says that there is pressure in certain areas to adopt rhotic speech because of perceptions of class.

Modifié par Addai67, 28 juin 2011 - 04:05 .

[por favor]

Paradocs wrote...

por favor wrote...

Oh where in Italy?! I just recently went to Venice and I'm going back again for Cinque Terre. {smilie}

I haven't been to Greece and Spain but I've been dying to visit for ages.

Just Florence, I think.

Edit: Yeah, I was right; just checked my itinerary.

Oh, I'm jelly. 

[stoicsentry2]

My accent (the lawyer in red velvet or whatever that ugly outfit is... lol)



LOL!

Modifié par stoicsentry2, 28 juin 2011 - 08:21 .

[por favor]

stoicsentry2 wrote...

My accent (the lawyer in red velvet or whatever that ugly outfit is... lol)



LOL!

I LOVE My Cousin Vinny! I wish I had a cool accent like that.

[stoicsentry2]

por favor wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...

My accent (the lawyer in red velvet or whatever that ugly outfit is... lol)



LOL!

I LOVE My Cousin Vinny! I wish I had a cool accent like that.

Yeah, I love My Cousin Vinny too.

You're probably the first person I've heard that's said that they like New York accents. Heh.

[por favor]

stoicsentry2 wrote...

Yeah, I love My Cousin Vinny too.

You're probably the first person I've heard that's said that they like New York accents. Heh.

Really? Haha I know so many people that love that accent. Are you in NY? If so, that's probably why you haven't heard many people say they like it. They either have it or are too used to it.

[darth_lopez]

new yorkers sound awesome it's just so hard to do