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[Ryzaki]

Siding with the Geth and the Krogan.

[DoNotIngest]

Valentia X wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...

that's completely ridiculous. they are sentient are capable of thought and are self aware. add in the fact that the quarians created them and tried to wipe them out for the SOLE REASON THAT THEY WERE SENTIENT, and I'll blow the Migrant fleet to hell if it comes to making a choice.

Oh, yeah. Feel sorry for the machine race that actually did commit genocide.

BSN. You're so mentally retarded.

The machine race didn't commit genocide, or there wouldn't be quarians. The quarians tried to kill, or terminate, depending on how you view it, the geth, and the geth fought back. Had the quarians not decided to 404 them, the Morning War would never have happened.

They tried to destroy the VI they had been using to take care of hard labour & dangerous tasks, when it started asking if it was alive. I can forgive that, it's pretty damned scary, especially when you're told that they're guaranteed to revolt and kill a lot of people sooner or later.

I'd be completely fine with the Geth if they hadn't tried genocide themselves. Kill billions until only 17 million are left, and that only because they ran as hard and as far as they could? If you really wanted peace, you would've offered it when 10 billion turned to 6 billion and you were winning crushingly; peace by genocide doesn't really work for me.

Although, if they could kiss and make up, I'd be quite content...

[Bogsnot1]

Geth: They know how to dance.
Krogan: Because "Queen Bug", "Shepard" just doesnt have the same catchiness.

[Someone With Mass]

Valentia X wrote...

The machine race didn't commit genocide, or there wouldn't be quarians. The quarians tried to kill, or terminate, depending on how you view it, the geth, and the geth fought back. Had the quarians not decided to 404 them, the Morning War would never have happened.

Genocide gen-o-cide: The deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

I'd say that killing billions fits rather nicely into that category.

There's a huge difference between planning to do it and actually do it.

[Malanek]

Skirata129 wrote...
that's completely ridiculous. they are sentient are capable of thought and are self aware.

Highly debatable. Take a single geth and isolate it and it isn't anymore sentient than Avina.

[Skirata129]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...

that's completely ridiculous. they are sentient are capable of thought and are self aware. add in the fact that the quarians created them and tried to wipe them out for the SOLE REASON THAT THEY WERE SENTIENT, and I'll blow the Migrant fleet to hell if it comes to making a choice.

Oh, yeah. Feel sorry for the machine race that actually did commit genocide.

BSN. You're so mentally retarded.

I'm sorry. did a geth accidently step on the first member of a new species of insect?

also, the geth fought for self preservation. the quarians attempted genocide and the geth did what was neccesary to stay alive. and no it is impossible to do nothing but stay on the defensive and win.

Modifié par Skirata129, 24 juin 2011 - 02:24 .

[Welsh Inferno]

Geth and Rachni are the logical choice to me, sheer numbers and current strength of them is better. But if i was put on the spot i bet i'd end up picking the Quarians and the Krogan..

[Raiil]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...

that's completely ridiculous. they are sentient are capable of thought and are self aware. add in the fact that the quarians created them and tried to wipe them out for the SOLE REASON THAT THEY WERE SENTIENT, and I'll blow the Migrant fleet to hell if it comes to making a choice.

Oh, yeah. Feel sorry for the machine race that actually did commit genocide.

BSN. You're so mentally retarded.

The machine race didn't commit genocide, or there wouldn't be quarians. The quarians tried to kill, or terminate, depending on how you view it, the geth, and the geth fought back. Had the quarians not decided to 404 them, the Morning War would never have happened.

They tried to destroy the VI they had been using to take care of hard labour & dangerous tasks, when it started asking if it was alive. I can forgive that, it's pretty damned scary, especially when you're told that they're guaranteed to revolt and kill a lot of people sooner or later.

I'd be completely fine with the Geth if they hadn't tried genocide themselves. Kill billions until only 17 million are left, and that only because they ran as hard and as far as they could? If you really wanted peace, you would've offered it when 10 billion turned to 6 billion and you were winning crushingly; peace by genocide doesn't really work for me.

Although, if they could kiss and make up, I'd be quite content...

If the geth were really bent on genocide, the quarians would be dead now. Instead, the geth have been taking care of the home world and waiting for a day when the quarians will come home. They just don't want to be shot up in the process. The quarians are the ones who started it- they attempted to kill sentient creatures because they were scared, not because the geth were rising in revolt.  It was a retaliation, self-defence. The main geth body has made no moves against the quarians ever since.

[Golden Owl]

Valentia X wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Valentia X wrote...


I really don't foresee the krogan v. rachni showdown happening. The rachni want to be left alone, and the krogan are trying to repopulate. Unless the rachni start another war, I don't see some epic fight happening.

I was more thinking along the lines that the Krogan would refuse to fight along side the Rachni and it would be a case of having to choose on that basis.

Ah, okay, that makes much more sense. If that were the case, who would I send into battle? The rachni. They seem more capable of faster reproduction, and while I wouldn't wish for their species to be wiped out (again), I'll choose the krogan to be saved.

Of course, we'll probably just charm/intimidate our way out of that situation.

Very good point about Rachni reproduction, they are in a much better position in that respect.....My personal favorite are the Rachni over Krogan...But either way, perception wise, it just makes more sense to send the Rachni to war over the Krogan given the reproduction.

Charm/Intimidate...I truly hope it's not that easy in ME3.......

[Raiil]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

The machine race didn't commit genocide, or there wouldn't be quarians. The quarians tried to kill, or terminate, depending on how you view it, the geth, and the geth fought back. Had the quarians not decided to 404 them, the Morning War would never have happened.

Genocide gen-o-cide: The deliberate killing of a large group of people, esp. those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

I'd say that killing billions fits rather nicely into that category.

There's a huge difference between planning to do it and actually do it.

Genocide
–nounthe deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial,political, or cultural group.

It was neither deliberate nor planned. It was retaliation against attempted destruction. As soon as the quarians fled, they stopped and have been waiting for the quarians to peacefully return ever since. The quarians are bent on war, or most of them are- not the geth. They protected themselves, and once the threat departed, they stopped shooting. Only the heretic geth remain a threat, and they're everyone's problem, not just the quarians.

[Someone With Mass]

Valentia X wrote...
Genocide
–nounthe deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial,political, or cultural group.

It was neither deliberate nor planned. It was retaliation against attempted destruction. As soon as the quarians fled, they stopped and have been waiting for the quarians to peacefully return ever since. The quarians are bent on war, or most of them are- not the geth. They protected themselves, and once the threat departed, they stopped shooting. Only the heretic geth remain a threat, and they're everyone's problem, not just the quarians.

Again. Billions were killed. There's no excuse for that.

[Conquerthecity]

As much as I like the Geth, I'm not sure it would be best for the galaxy to side with them. They could be major heroes in the Reaper War, but I'm not convinced the anti-Geth mindset would be abolished.  We don't need a Geth War right after the Reapers. For that reason, I'd probably first see how saving the Quarians worked out.

As for Krogan and Rachni, Krogan easily.

[VegasVance]

Geth; Due to the possibility of EDI programming them with Anti-Reaper algorithms, plus they don't sleep, eat or breathe.

Krogan; If the new Queen was to be indoctrinated, it is game over for the Rachni (again).

[George-Kinsill]

Skirata129 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...

that's completely ridiculous. they are sentient are capable of thought and are self aware. add in the fact that the quarians created them and tried to wipe them out for the SOLE REASON THAT THEY WERE SENTIENT, and I'll blow the Migrant fleet to hell if it comes to making a choice.

Oh, yeah. Feel sorry for the machine race that actually did commit genocide.

BSN. You're so mentally retarded.

I'm sorry. did a geth accidently step on the first member of a new species of insect?

also, the geth fought for self preservation. the quarians attempted genocide and the geth did what was neccesary to stay alive. and no it is impossible to do nothing but stay on the defensive and win.

Ok you 2 , break it up. Yes, the quarians did attemt to kill all the Geth, which are considered living creatures in the ME universe. However, the Get actually conducted genocide (which does not require the destruction of an entire species, just a large portion of it), reducing the Quarians from billions to 17 million, a genocide far worse than the holocaust, although it may not have happened had the Quarians not intended Genocide. Regardless, what the Geth did was not necessary, as they could have offered terms of peace, in whih they get all the coonies, and the Geth get the homeworld, srt of like some agreement in BSG between humans ad cylons.
In any case, this is not a black or white situation, but ery gray, and ame calling will accomplish nothing.
Saying tat, hpefuly I can have both the Geth and the Quarians at my side by charming the both, and the fact I got Tali and Legion to be BFFs.

Modifié par George-Kinsill, 24 juin 2011 - 02:42 .

[ADLegend21]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Valentia X wrote...
Genocide
–nounthe deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial,political, or cultural group.

It was neither deliberate nor planned. It was retaliation against attempted destruction. As soon as the quarians fled, they stopped and have been waiting for the quarians to peacefully return ever since. The quarians are bent on war, or most of them are- not the geth. They protected themselves, and once the threat departed, they stopped shooting. Only the heretic geth remain a threat, and they're everyone's problem, not just the quarians.

Again. Billions were killed. There's no excuse for that.

It was an us or them. Billions of quarians or Billions of geth and the Geth chose the billions of quarians. any species/nation would choose the same. as Valentina said once the quarians left the geth did not pursue and began cleaning up for their returnto rannoch since they didn't need ti anymore.

[The Baconer]

Someone With Mass wrote...
Again. Billions were killed. There's no excuse for that.

Would you be saying the same if the Quarians' solution went about as planned?

[Raiil]

Genocide isn't just killing. It's extermination. The geth defended themselves, and the quarians paid the price for their hubris- they thought they had the right to determine whether sentient creatures had the right to exist. The quarians attempted genocide, and they failed. The geth killed anyone trying to kill them, and succeeded.

Genocide is not the same thing as self-defence. If the asari decided to wipe out the, say, salarians, and the salarians fought back and it ended in most of the asari died, it's not genocide. War, yes, genocide, no.

[onelifecrisis]

Geth and Rachni, because in both cases they're not aggressive and they have the moral high ground.

[RAF1940]

Yikes that's a toughie!

I easily choose geth over quarians, but I only think I'd choose krogan over rachni.

[Welsh Inferno]

The Geth didnt need to continue to slaughter the Quarians who couldnt get off the planet. It should have been obvious to the Geth that they'd won. How many women and children were in those billions? Thats why the Quarians always want war.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Quarians definitly but I'd still like a 3rd choice let them go to war and I'll be the mobile hospital treating both sides but defending or fighting neither.

For the Rachni/Krogan whoever makes the better case I can't see a 3rd option for this other then if we open up darkspace the Rachni can go there and settle safely on those worlds.

[Raiil]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

The Geth didnt need to continue to slaughter the Quarians who couldnt get off the planet. It should have been obvious to the Geth that they'd won. How many women and children were in those billions? Thats why the Quarians always want war.

Doesn't the codex say they took all survivors onto the ships and fled? Or is it stated somewhere that the geth continued to exterminate anyone left on Rannoch?

[Skirata129]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Valentia X wrote...
Genocide
–nounthe deliberate and systematic extermination of a national, racial,political, or cultural group.

It was neither deliberate nor planned. It was retaliation against attempted destruction. As soon as the quarians fled, they stopped and have been waiting for the quarians to peacefully return ever since. The quarians are bent on war, or most of them are- not the geth. They protected themselves, and once the threat departed, they stopped shooting. Only the heretic geth remain a threat, and they're everyone's problem, not just the quarians.

Again. Billions were killed. There's no excuse for that.

Millions of Germans were killed in WWII. did Britain, France and the USA commit genocide? SELF DEFENSE IS NOT GENOCIDE. people die in war, that's the long and short of it. Guess what? if two species are fighting each other people from either species die. GASP! what a shocker! and now you're accusing the side that SUCCESFULLY DEFENDED THEMSELVES FROM AN ATTACKER of genocide because they came out on top.

Modifié par Skirata129, 24 juin 2011 - 02:44 .

[Siansonea]

It would be different for each Shepard. My Paragons would try to make it so that all will follow, my Engineer would favor the geth and rachni, my Sentinel would favor the quarians and rachni, and my Renegades would favor the quarians and krogan.

[Battlepope190]

Geth because they are right, and Krogan because Grunt and Wrex.

Modifié par Battlepope190, 24 juin 2011 - 02:46 .