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[Malanek]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Geth and Rachni, because in both cases they're not aggressive and they have the moral high ground.

The Geth attack anyone, not just Quarians, who enter their space. They followed Saren (yes there was a virus but they could just as easily reach the same conclusion) to attack organic life. They have a staggering range of weapons and armaments. They are aggressive.

And how do the Rachni have the moral high ground?

Modifié par Malanek999, 24 juin 2011 - 02:48 .

[mikejcroc]

Personally, I would pick the Geth and the Rachni. Tactically, well...I'd still pick the Geth and the Rachni. The Geth in part because of Legion, not even mentioning they are completely technologically separate from what out part of the Milky Way uses (New tech to use on the Reapers?) Legion also says during Tali's LM that every time the Quarians' believed they could win, they attacked 100% of the time. And the Rachni because there is nothing like them (organic) in the (known) rest of the galaxy with their hive mind and all. Both the Krogan and the Rachni never had the needed time to fully evolve because of Salarian or Reaper intervention.

The only possible reason I would pick the Quarians' would be because of their massive fleet, which I'm pretty sure is the largest out of all the species. And for the Krogan... "Wrex." "Shepard." Plus they seemed to be just starting to get their act together too. That's what I think the strongest points between both cases are. Just my two cents.

[Skirata129]

dude... I think you missed a lot of legion's dialogue. The HERETICS killed anyone who entered geth space and followed saren. they were a splinter group from the main geth population and were allowed to leave peaceably. Later the heretics attempted to use a virus to rewrite the normal geth to think like they did and you and legion put a stop to it.

[DoNotIngest]

Considering nobody entered Geth space and returned for three centuries... I don't think it was just a splinter group. And Saren isn't 300 years old.

[Golden Owl]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Geth and Rachni, because in both cases they're not aggressive and they have the moral high ground.

I would be making the same choices as yourself....but I am not too sure about the Rachni necessarily having the moral high ground...Yes, it's seems pretty clear they were indoctrinated those 2000 years ago....but nobody knew about that and they were a devastatingly efficient killing force, thus why the Krogan involvement...I can truly understand the concerns the Krogan would have over the returning Rachni, see it from the Krogan perspective....It doesn't make the Krogan right, but it doesn't make them wrong either....I am not saying this as a Krogan fan, in fact I don't like the Krogan personally, but that doesn't stop me from seeing their side in regards to the rachni.

[Welsh Inferno]

Valentia X wrote...

Welsh Inferno wrote...

The Geth didnt need to continue to slaughter the Quarians who couldnt get off the planet. It should have been obvious to the Geth that they'd won. How many women and children were in those billions? Thats why the Quarians always want war.

Doesn't the codex say they took all survivors onto the ships and fled? Or is it stated somewhere that the geth continued to exterminate anyone left on Rannoch?

Not really sure honestly. But i doubt the Quarians had billions of actual soldiers, that would be ridiculous. Honestly though they both need to realise theyr'e in the wrong, for different reasons but in the wrong the same.. some of the Tali and Legion dialouge atleast started to move towards that..

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 24 juin 2011 - 02:58 .

[Malanek]

Skirata129 wrote...

dude... I think you missed a lot of legion's dialogue. The HERETICS killed anyone who entered geth space and followed saren. they were a splinter group from the main geth population and were allowed to leave peaceably. Later the heretics attempted to use a virus to rewrite the normal geth to think like they did and you and legion put a stop to it.

It was the Heretics who followed Saren but it was not just the Heretics who attack anyone in Geth Space. It is not just the Heretics who build weapons. And Heretics are Geth.

[Zweebs]

I'd destroy the Geth without a second thought if I had to choose. Geth can be turned off and on... Quarians can't. Besides these Quarians had NOTHING to do with creating or destroying the Geth. Geth are obviously unreliable allies as the Quarians have much better intentions.

[Skirata129]

There's no data about how long the heretics have existed, or which group was doing the killing or why. at this point this part of the quarian/geth debate is just conjecture. I still will side with the geth as they are stronger than the quarians, show more reason than the quarians, and are the injured party in this whole situation. and yes I say injured. if someone shoots at me with no provocation and I return fire and cripple them, I'm still the injured party in the eyes of the law and in the eyes of justice.

[Raiil]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Considering nobody entered Geth space and returned for three centuries... I don't think it was just a splinter group. And Saren isn't 300 years old.

Sovereign's also chilling around the Perserus Veil (or rather was)... could have easily been it going postal and making sure nobody brought back information on it.

Modifié par Valentia X, 24 juin 2011 - 02:59 .

[GodWood]

Skirata129 wrote...
that's completely ridiculous. they are sentient are capable of thought and are self aware. add in the fact that the quarians created them and tried to wipe them out for the SOLE REASON THAT THEY WERE SENTIENT, and I'll blow the Migrant fleet to hell if it comes to making a choice.

No and no.

The quarians didn't decide to wipe them out.
A select group of individuals (who were quarians) decided it was best for the quarian people to have the machines that had recently just gained 'sapience' terminated (or at least returned to their previous state) because keeping them alive would ruin relations with the Council species and they (the quarians) would most likely be punished too.

Sadly this didn't go as well as planned and the geth fought back.
Naturally the quarians who had no involvment in the decision to 'wipe out the geth' fought back as well as these machines were murdering their friends, family etc.

And thus was the Morning War.

Eventually the quarians fell apart and easily at the loss of 50% of their population mark (not just soldiers, everyone) it's guaranteed the quarians are beat.

So what do the geth do?

They systematically wipe out every man, woman and child on the basis of them being quarian until a total of 99% of the population is dead.


Seriously BSN the geth/quarian conflict isn't as simple as "HURRDURRDEMQUARIANSTRIEDTOGENOCIDEDTEHNICEGEFFLOL".


Personally if I had to pick I'd side with the quarians simply because the quarians that are alive to day had no involvement in the Morning War, the geth on the other hand  are the same geth that killed the billions of innocents in the Morning War and thus need to be brought to justice.

[VegasVance]

Zweebs wrote...

I'd destroy the Geth without a second thought if I had to choose. Geth can be turned off and on... Quarians can't. Besides these Quarians had NOTHING to do with creating or destroying the Geth. Geth are obviously unreliable allies as the Quarians have much better intentions.

1. Quarians stay turned on even though they don't tell us at first. 
2. They do have something to do with destroying the geth, think about all of Tali's LM
3. A decent size of the flotilla plans on attacking the geth without mercy.  Plus their "special" strike teams get massacred by varren, YMIR mechs, and regualar old heretic geth.  Even Corpral Jenkis lasted better then the lot of them.   

Modifié par VegasVance, 24 juin 2011 - 03:05 .

[Jeth Prime]

I can't decide.... I suppose that's why we've multiple games, no?

[S.A.K]

Quarians because I think geth can't be trusted. As for Krogan and Rachni I have to wait and see.

[Malanek]

Skirata129 wrote...
There's no data about how long the heretics have existed,

Yes there is, they didn't split until 300 years after they got rid of the quarians.

Approximately three centuries after the Morning War, the geth were approached by the Reaper Nazara, also called Sovereign. It offered them technology that would aid them in achieving their goal, in exchange for their assistance in capturing the Citadel and letting the Reaper invasion begin. The majority of the geth dismissed the offer, deeming it better to accomplish their goal with their own technology rather than be dependent on another race’s technology. These geth discarded what they called the "superstitious title" of the Reapers, and simply called them the Old Machines. A small percentage of geth, however, accepted the Reaper’s help. Henceforth these geth were referred to by the mainstream geth as "heretics". They were allowed to peacefully leave the main geth network, and aid Nazara and its turian agent, Saren. The heretics came to revere Nazara as a god, the pinnacle of synthetic evolution. Nazara in return thought little of the heretics, seeing them only as tools to be used. They aided Nazara and Saren in many engagements, such as the attack on Eden Prime, and the Battle of the Citadel. After Nazara was destroyed in the latter battle, the heretics lost much of their menace, and their operations outside of the Perseus Veil were quickly mopped up by Council forces.

[Skirata129]

godwood, I believe in ME1 tali tells you they panicked and the government ordered that all geth be destroyed. and didn't you listen when legion and admiral koris were talking? legion says that whenever the quarians have believed victory was possible, they have attacked 100% of the time. whereas the geth have not left the perseus veil and aren't even occupying the Quarian homeworld.

*that's when they became officially known as heretics. however, legion mentions that a percentage of them had believed that all organic life needed to be destroyed. does this predate sovereign or does it correlate?

Modifié par Skirata129, 24 juin 2011 - 03:08 .

[Golden Owl]

GodWood wrote...


The quarians didn't decide to wipe them out.
A select group of individuals (who were quarians) decided it was best for the quarian people to have the machines that had recently just gained 'sapience' terminated (or at least returned to their previous state) because keeping them alive would ruin relations with the Council species and they (the quarians) would most likely be punished too.

Where is this actually stated in regards to Quarian and Geth? I thought that law only came in because of the Quarian and Geth situation.

[Rip504]

Quarians * Krogans. Why,because of Tali,Wrex,and Grunt.

[Malanek]

Golden Owl wrote...

GodWood wrote...


The quarians didn't decide to wipe them out.
A select group of individuals (who were quarians) decided it was best for the quarian people to have the machines that had recently just gained 'sapience' terminated (or at least returned to their previous state) because keeping them alive would ruin relations with the Council species and they (the quarians) would most likely be punished too.

Where is this actually stated in regards to Quarian and Geth? I thought that law only came in because of the Quarian and Geth situation.

AI was illegal before the teh Geth were created. Its on the wiki and should be in the codex.

Modifié par Malanek999, 24 juin 2011 - 03:12 .

[Golden Owl]

Malanek999 wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

GodWood wrote...


The quarians didn't decide to wipe them out.
A select group of individuals (who were quarians) decided it was best for the quarian people to have the machines that had recently just gained 'sapience' terminated (or at least returned to their previous state) because keeping them alive would ruin relations with the Council species and they (the quarians) would most likely be punished too.

Where is this actually stated in regards to Quarian and Geth? I thought that law only came in because of the Quarian and Geth situation.

AI was illegal before the teh Geth were created. Its on the wiki and should be in the codex.

Thank you Malanek

[jamesp81]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I'd throw my lot in with turning off the game and sobbing for a while, then flipping a coin.

In all seriousness, though, probably the geth and krogan.

That's pretty much how I'll deal with it.

[Bluko]

Geth as they actually have some legitimate military capability. Also casualities are less of an issue for them since they can discard "Platforms" with little risk.

The Quarians are just a big Gypsy fleet with some means of defense.

I pick the Krogan, because well 1 Krogan is probably worth more then 10 Rachni in terms of fighting strength. I doubt the Krogan have more then a few hundred million, but I also doubt the Rachni have sufficient numbers after 2 years to make them anymore worthwhile. The Krogan are tougher then the Rachni.  I'd rather have a few real tough Krogan with me to board Reapers then dozens of Rachni.

So Geth and Krogan. (Geth numbers can easily compensate for Rachni.)

[Malanek]

Skirata129 wrote...
*that's when they became officially known as heretics. however, legion mentions that a percentage of them had believed that all organic life needed to be destroyed. does this predate sovereign or does it correlate?

I don't know. The point is though, that before the heretics split, all the Geth were quite happy to attack anyone who enetered their space. That is aggressive behaviour even if you do claim it is justified.

[jamesp81]

Golden Owl wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Though, I think a situation between the krogans and the salarians is more likely to happen.

I thought about that....but given the ME3 shorts we have seen, it maybe that it is possibly rectified without having to make a choice.

It's possible.  In ME2 it was possible to resolve confrontations between certain crewmembers.  A similar mechanic might be at work in ME3.

[The Mythical Magician]

Quarian or Geth? Tough but I'll side with Quarians. As much as I know that the Geth are misunderstood and I want to have both races around, but I just can't choose Geth over Quarians.

Hanar or Drell? I would side with the big Jellyfish every time. lol

Modifié par The Mythical Magician, 24 juin 2011 - 03:23 .