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[jamesp81]

DoNotIngest wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...

that's completely ridiculous. they are sentient are capable of thought and are self aware. add in the fact that the quarians created them and tried to wipe them out for the SOLE REASON THAT THEY WERE SENTIENT, and I'll blow the Migrant fleet to hell if it comes to making a choice.

Right. Because if you were cleaning out your fridge, and you found an old cheeze whiz sandwhich, and it said "AM I ALIVE, DADDY?", you wouldn't scream and stomp on it?

Damn you.  I'm going to have nightmares about this now :lol:

Modifié par jamesp81, 24 juin 2011 - 03:16 .

[Malanek]

Bluko wrote...
I'd rather have a few real tough Krogan with me to board Reapers then dozens of Rachni.

Purely from a stretgic rather than a moral point of view, Krogan are also much safer because not everything hangs on a single queen rachni.

[VegasVance]

Malanek999 wrote...

I don't know. The point is though, that before the heretics split, all the Geth were quite happy to attack anyone who enetered their space. That is aggressive behaviour even if you do claim it is justified.

The turians didn't do the same things to humans...right? 

Modifié par VegasVance, 24 juin 2011 - 03:18 .

[Skirata129]

Malanek999 wrote...

 all the Geth were quite happy to attack anyone who enetered their space. That is aggressive behaviour

aside from the minor fact that it could also be called trespassing.



seriously though, I was saying that the same group that followed sovereign could have been the same group that was killing those who entered geth space. it's impossible to know for certain.

[Malanek]

VegasVance wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

I don't know. The point is though, that before the heretics split, all the Geth were quite happy to attack anyone who enetered their space. That is aggressive behaviour even if you do claim it is justified.

The turians didn't do the same things to humans...right? 

Well not quite. But I'm not claiming that the Turians are not aggressive, they are for sure.

[jamesp81]

Golden Owl wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Valentia X wrote...


I really don't foresee the krogan v. rachni showdown happening. The rachni want to be left alone, and the krogan are trying to repopulate. Unless the rachni start another war, I don't see some epic fight happening.

I was more thinking along the lines that the Krogan would refuse to fight along side the Rachni and it would be a case of having to choose on that basis.

Ah, okay, that makes much more sense. If that were the case, who would I send into battle? The rachni. They seem more capable of faster reproduction, and while I wouldn't wish for their species to be wiped out (again), I'll choose the krogan to be saved.

Of course, we'll probably just charm/intimidate our way out of that situation.

Very good point about Rachni reproduction, they are in a much better position in that respect.....My personal favorite are the Rachni over Krogan...But either way, perception wise, it just makes more sense to send the Rachni to war over the Krogan given the reproduction.

Charm/Intimidate...I truly hope it's not that easy in ME3.......

What might work here is a side mission to resolve the conflict.  For example, we see a fertile Krogan female on the Salarian homeworld in the demo.  It might the sort of thing where you can actually fail at that mission, and thus not secure both Krogan and Salarian aid, and you'll be forced to choose one or the other.  But if you succeed, then you do secure the aid of both.

[CrookedAsylum]

Geth and Rachni.

[jamesp81]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Quarians definitly but I'd still like a 3rd choice let them go to war and I'll be the mobile hospital treating both sides but defending or fighting neither.

For the Rachni/Krogan whoever makes the better case I can't see a 3rd option for this other then if we open up darkspace the Rachni can go there and settle safely on those worlds.

There are no worlds in darkspace.  It's simply void.

[Skirata129]

Malanek999 wrote...

Well not quite. But I'm not claiming that the Turians are not aggressive, they are for sure.

lol, so turians saying "NON TURIAN VESSEL! BLOW IT UP!" to unsuspecting humans, is not the same as geth attacking organics that know they're entering forbidden territory and really should know better? I'm sensing some bias here...

[Malanek]

Skirata129 wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Well not quite. But I'm not claiming that the Turians are not aggressive, they are for sure.

lol, so turians saying "NON TURIAN VESSEL! BLOW IT UP!" to unsuspecting humans, is not the same as geth attacking organics that know they're entering forbidden territory and really should know better? I'm sensing some bias here...

FFS, I just agreed that Turians were aggressive. Do you actually read these posts?

[GodWood]

Skirata129 wrote...
godwood, I believe in ME1 tali tells you they panicked and the government ordered that all geth be destroyed.

And how does this conflict with what I said? 

and didn't you listen when legion and admiral koris were talking? legion says that whenever the quarians have believed victory was possible, they have attacked 100% of the time.

Naturally trying to punish the things that murdered billions of inoccent people and retake their homeworld. 

whereas the geth have not left the perseus veil and aren't even occupying the Quarian homeworld.

And yet destroy all those who come near them.

*that's when they became officially known as heretics.

The Heretics have only came about in the last 30 years or so when Sovereign was awoken.

however, legion mentions that a percentage of them had believed that all organic life needed to be destroyed. does this predate sovereign or does it correlate?

I believe this is a heretic thing

[jamesp81]

Who would like it if there was a possibility of resolving the conflicts between these factions and securing the aid of both, rather than being forced, no matter what you do, to choose one or the other?  Being able to resolve conflicts would be my choice.

[andraip]

@OP I would side with the Reapers and kill all 4 races.

[Malanek]

jamesp81 wrote...

Who would like it if there was a possibility of resolving the conflicts between these factions and securing the aid of both, rather than being forced, no matter what you do, to choose one or the other?  Being able to resolve conflicts would be my choice.

I think being able to resolve conflicts would be everyones choice....but, that itself removes the whole aspect of choice from the game. If you are forced to make a tough choice in many ways that makes for a better game than if you can just take the easy option.

[Welsh Inferno]

andraip wrote...

@OP I would side with the Reapers and kill all 4 races.

You win.

[Skirata129]

you said "not quite" and just said they were aggressive. @godwood, a government is the representative body of ALL the people, not "a select group of individuals". the quarians have by their own admission, never attempted to make peace and simply attacked whenever possible.

we have no facts on whether a small portion of the geth, or all of them were killing people, and even if it was all of them, can you honestly blame them? they've been dealing with raids and assorted military incursions by the quarians for 300 years.

Modifié par Skirata129, 24 juin 2011 - 03:31 .

[jamesp81]

Malanek999 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Who would like it if there was a possibility of resolving the conflicts between these factions and securing the aid of both, rather than being forced, no matter what you do, to choose one or the other?  Being able to resolve conflicts would be my choice.

I think being able to resolve conflicts would be everyones choice....but, that itself removes the whole aspect of choice from the game. If you are forced to make a tough choice in many ways that makes for a better game than if you can just take the easy option.

Reducing the number of choices in a game that's about making choices doesn't seem to be wise.

It also detracts from the experience those of us so inclined would like to have.

[VegasVance]

Malanek999 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Who would like it if there was a possibility of resolving the conflicts between these factions and securing the aid of both, rather than being forced, no matter what you do, to choose one or the other?  Being able to resolve conflicts would be my choice.

I think being able to resolve conflicts would be everyones choice....but, that itself removes the whole aspect of choice from the game. If you are forced to make a tough choice in many ways that makes for a better game than if you can just take the easy option.

QFT, I've been waiting since the first Mass Effect for moments like this www.youtube.com/watch
And they have yet to happen, this is the last hope.   

Modifié par VegasVance, 24 juin 2011 - 03:34 .

[Golden Owl]

jamesp81 wrote...

Who would like it if there was a possibility of resolving the conflicts between these factions and securing the aid of both, rather than being forced, no matter what you do, to choose one or the other?  Being able to resolve conflicts would be my choice.

That would be the greatest preference James....what you said earlier about missions directly connected to aquiring the aid of all parties would be cool also.

[Golden Owl]

andraip wrote...

@OP I would side with the Reapers and kill all 4 races.

Now that's a solution.....

[GodWood]

Skirata129 wrote...
you said "not quite" and just said they were aggressive. @godwood, a government is the representative body of ALL the people, not "a select group of individuals".

...
Reread what you just typed.

the quarians have by their own admission, never attempted to make peace and simply attacked whenever possible.

And now we're going in circles.

[Bogsnot1]

Skirata129 wrote...

I would much rather that, than this;

[jamesp81]

Golden Owl wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Who would like it if there was a possibility of resolving the conflicts between these factions and securing the aid of both, rather than being forced, no matter what you do, to choose one or the other?  Being able to resolve conflicts would be my choice.

That would be the greatest preference James....what you said earlier about missions directly connected to aquiring the aid of all parties would be cool also.

That way it wouldn't be tied to the magic blue dialog option as it were.  You would have the option of achieving optimal results, but it'd require more effort on the player's part than just acquiring sufficient paragon or renegade points.

Modifié par jamesp81, 24 juin 2011 - 03:53 .

[Skirata129]

GodWood wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...
you said "not quite" and just said they were aggressive.

...
Reread what you just typed.

by saying not quite, he made it seem that the turian's actions were somehow morally superior to the geth attacking all those who entered their space, despite the fact that the turian had absolutely no justification for their action, versus the geth having plenty of resoning for doing what they did.

[Golden Owl]

jamesp81 wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Who would like it if there was a possibility of resolving the conflicts between these factions and securing the aid of both, rather than being forced, no matter what you do, to choose one or the other?  Being able to resolve conflicts would be my choice.

That would be the greatest preference James....what you said earlier about missions directly connected to aquiring the aid of all parties would be cool also.

That way it wouldn't be tied to the magic blue dialog option as it were.  You would have the option of achieving optimal results, but it'd require more effort on the player's part than just acquiring sufficient paragon or renegade points.

I like it...well though out James....