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[VegasVance]

@IOnlySignIn, then they take over the weakened galaxy
Mass Effect Infinite!

[GodWood]

Skirata129 wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...
you said "not quite" and just said they were aggressive.

...
Reread what you just typed.

by saying not quite, he made it seem that the turian's actions were somehow morally superior to the geth attacking all those who entered their space, despite the fact that the turian had absolutely no justification for their action, versus the geth having plenty of resoning for doing what they did.

What? Not that.

This

@godwood, a government is the representative body of ALL the people, not "a select group of individuals".

The bit that was directed at me.

[Malanek]

iOnlySignIn wrote...
On the OP's idea though, I don't think the Krogan and the Rachni actually have grudges against each other, unlike the Geth and the Quarians. Krogan and Rachni were both exploited and manipulated as tools by other races. With sensible leaders such as Wrex and the Rachni Queen, they'd easily reconcile and fight along side each other.

I thought the same while I was playing ME1 the first time. But then I took Wrex and Ashley along to the queen. Quite frankly I was shocked to hear Ashley defend the queen and council for it's frredom while Wrex was hellbent on destroying it. I don't really understand this part of Wrexs character and in fact is probably one of the reasons I have never really liked Wrex all that much.

Modifié par Malanek999, 24 juin 2011 - 04:12 .

[nitrog100]

There's probably going to be a way for you to choose both. In the middle of a huge war, there's definitely going to be plenty of wiggle room in every faction's hardline stances. There has to be a way to make peace between the Geth and Quarians. I don't think the Krogan would really mind the Rachni all that much. Krogan love to fight, and the Reapers are going to provide all the fight they need.

[George-Kinsill]

Bluko wrote...

Geth as they actually have some legitimate military capability. Also casualities are less of an issue for them since they can discard "Platforms" with little risk.

The Quarians are just a big Gypsy fleet with some means of defense.

I pick the Krogan, because well 1 Krogan is probably worth more then 10 Rachni in terms of fighting strength. I doubt the Krogan have more then a few hundred million, but I also doubt the Rachni have sufficient numbers after 2 years to make them anymore worthwhile. The Krogan are tougher then the Rachni.  I'd rather have a few real tough Krogan with me to board Reapers then dozens of Rachni.

So Geth and Krogan. (Geth numbers can easily compensate for Rachni.)

It's stated in Tuchanka's description that there are 2.1 billion on the planet, I am not sure if it's exclusively Krogan (but most likely), so numbers may not even be a problem, just getting ships to put them in.

[Antivenger]

On the fence. It'll probably be all of them across multiple playthroughs. I don't favour or oppose to any sides over the others.

'Cept maybe a little suspicion towards the Quarian. Those masks might be hiding eviiiiiil.

[Skirata129]

GodWood wrote...

@godwood, a government is the representative body of ALL the people, not "a select group of individuals".

The bit that was directed at me.

People are held to be responsible for the decisions of their governments, as they were instrumental in their creation. if another government declares war on us, we aren't at war only with the government,  but with the entire country, it's populace and resources.
 
the quarians elected their government, their government attempted to destroy a sentient species that they had created with no provocation, the sentient species fought back and won. Justice is served.

[KingNothing125]

quarians and krogan

tali and wrex

next question.

[AtreiyaN7]

I think they'll all cooperate because of the greater threat, but if I really had to choose sides...I'd go with the geth (because the quarians essentially mistreated their "children" and most of them seem to be resistant to the idea of reconciliation with the except of Admiral Koris). As for rachni vs. krogan, hmm, I like Wrex a lot, but I'd side with the rachni. It's clear that the rachni were peaceful until they got Indoctrinated and are likely to be more benign than the krogans in the long-term (assuming that the genophage is cured, the krogans might start breeding like rabbits and could pose a threat themselves).

[AtreiyaN7]

iOnlySignIn wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

I think they'll all cooperate because of the greater threat, but if I really had to choose sides...I'd go with the geth (because the quarians essentially mistreated their "children" and most of them seem to be resistant to the idea of reconciliation with the except of Admiral Koris). As for rachni vs. krogan, hmm, I like Wrex a lot, but I'd side with the rachni. It's clear that the rachni were peaceful until they got Indoctrinated and are likely to be more benign than the krogans in the long-term (assuming that the genophage is cured, the krogans might start breeding like rabbits and could pose a threat themselves).

I'm not very keen on the Insanity Defense, or "Indoctrination Defense", put forward by the Rachni Queen. We have seen no evidence of the Rachni indoctrination, unlike how we actually witnessed the enslavement of the Feros colonists and Shiala by the Thorian.

I for one let the Rachni Queen go knowing full well that she may be lying and it may bite me in the behind later. It's just that curiosity overpowered me- plus a bit of Kantian morality.

I full agree with your view on the Geth/Quarian conflict though. I sincerely hope Admiral Koris gets the upper hand on the Admiralty Board. Otherwise things might get nasty between the Quanrians and my Shepard.

I don't think the Queen was lying based on her description of how the Rachni song changed and the notes becoming "sour." Her description about what heppened seemed to fit with Indoctrination. Also, through her emissary she did seem to indicate that she would stand with Shepard when the time came. I'm just going with my gut on that one and feel that she was being truthful.

As for the Quarians, yep, I hope they finally start acting sensibly and listen to Koris. However, I think Admiral Xen might be something of a problem if she's still on the Admiralty Board. She was very clear about what she thinks about the Geth and her desire to enslave them again.

[onelifecrisis]

Malanek999 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Geth and Rachni, because in both cases they're not aggressive and they have the moral high ground.

The Geth attack anyone, not just Quarians, who enter their space. They followed Saren (yes there was a virus but they could just as easily reach the same conclusion) to attack organic life. They have a staggering range of weapons and armaments. They are aggressive.

And how do the Rachni have the moral high ground?

Bold bit explains the problem. The Orthodox Geth are not aggressive. They do not attack anyone outside the veil. Ever. The Quarians on the other hand initiated - without provocation - an attempt to exterminate the Geth, and are still planning to exterminate them. It's an easy choice.

The Rachni are not naturally aggressive, unlike the Krogan.
Wrex: "We're not settlers, we're warriors. We want to fight."

[Reptillius]

I look at it this way. They can all put aside their differences and fight for me. Or when I'm done with the Reapers any race that didn't help me can face extinction by Shepard. And clearly after wiping out the reapers I'm more than capable of carrying that out so they just need to shut up, buckle down, and get on my good side.

As for Rachni indoctrination defense. There's nothing saying it didn't happen. Most didn't even know about Indoctrination before ME1 to even think of it as a possibility in ME2.  And considering the Rachni have been dead for a long time. Maybe that was Soveriegn's first attempt at bringing back the Reapers. Enslaving the Rachni.

Modifié par Reptillius, 24 juin 2011 - 06:18 .

[Slimsa]

Geth and Krogan.

[Golden Owl]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Geth and Rachni, because in both cases they're not aggressive and they have the moral high ground.

The Geth attack anyone, not just Quarians, who enter their space. They followed Saren (yes there was a virus but they could just as easily reach the same conclusion) to attack organic life. They have a staggering range of weapons and armaments. They are aggressive.

And how do the Rachni have the moral high ground?

Bold bit explains the problem. The Orthodox Geth are not aggressive. They do not attack anyone outside the veil. Ever. The Quarians on the other hand initiated - without provocation - an attempt to exterminate the Geth, and are still planning to exterminate them. It's an easy choice.

The Rachni are not naturally aggressive, unlike the Krogan.
Wrex: "We're not settlers, we're warriors. We want to fight."

Thats what really concerns me about the genophage cure, my Shep kept it and I don't want to see a race go extinct...but I have a lot of mixed feelings about the genophage cure, considering the dangers of a large Krogan population.

@Onelifecrisis...DAMN!! I really love your sig....thats funny...

Modifié par Golden Owl, 24 juin 2011 - 06:23 .

[onelifecrisis]

Golden Owl wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Geth and Rachni, because in both cases they're not aggressive and they have the moral high ground.

The Geth attack anyone, not just Quarians, who enter their space. They followed Saren (yes there was a virus but they could just as easily reach the same conclusion) to attack organic life. They have a staggering range of weapons and armaments. They are aggressive.

And how do the Rachni have the moral high ground?

Bold bit explains the problem. The Orthodox Geth are not aggressive. They do not attack anyone outside the veil. Ever. The Quarians on the other hand initiated - without provocation - an attempt to exterminate the Geth, and are still planning to exterminate them. It's an easy choice.

The Rachni are not naturally aggressive, unlike the Krogan.
Wrex: "We're not settlers, we're warriors. We want to fight."

Thats what really concerns me about the genophage cure, my Shep kept it and I don't want to see a race go extinct...but I have a lot of mixed feelings about the genophage cure, considering the dangers of a large Krogan population.

@Onelifecrisis...DAMN!! I really love your sig....thats funny...

Thanks!

My Paragon Shep also has real difficulty with the Genophage cure. It seems to me that the writers want you to think that Wrex+Cure will make everything turn out fine (whereas Wreave+Cure would be a distaster) but given everything I'm seeing in the game I have trouble believing that Wrex's changes will be enough. I think the Krogan you meet on Illium are proof that the Krogan can become peaceful, but Tuchanka is proof that their culture has to undergo some serious changes before that can happen there, and cultural change takes a long time even in human years. For a species that live a thousand years it would take, well, a really long time...

[Golden Owl]

onelifecrisis wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Geth and Rachni, because in both cases they're not aggressive and they have the moral high ground.

The Geth attack anyone, not just Quarians, who enter their space. They followed Saren (yes there was a virus but they could just as easily reach the same conclusion) to attack organic life. They have a staggering range of weapons and armaments. They are aggressive.

And how do the Rachni have the moral high ground?

Bold bit explains the problem. The Orthodox Geth are not aggressive. They do not attack anyone outside the veil. Ever. The Quarians on the other hand initiated - without provocation - an attempt to exterminate the Geth, and are still planning to exterminate them. It's an easy choice.

The Rachni are not naturally aggressive, unlike the Krogan.
Wrex: "We're not settlers, we're warriors. We want to fight."

Thats what really concerns me about the genophage cure, my Shep kept it and I don't want to see a race go extinct...but I have a lot of mixed feelings about the genophage cure, considering the dangers of a large Krogan population.

@Onelifecrisis...DAMN!! I really love your sig....thats funny...

Thanks!

My Paragon Shep also has real difficulty with the Genophage cure. It seems to me that the writers want you to think that Wrex+Cure will make everything turn out fine (whereas Wreave+Cure would be a distaster) but given everything I'm seeing in the game I have trouble believing that Wrex's changes will be enough. I think the Krogan you meet on Illium are proof that the Krogan can become peaceful, but Tuchanka is proof that their culture has to undergo some serious changes before that can happen there, and cultural change takes a long time even in human years. For a species that live a thousand years it would take, well, a really long time...

Even if Wrex could actually be trusted 100% with the genophage cure...Krogans are long lived, but not immortal, what happens after his gone.

[onelifecrisis]

Golden Owl wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

onelifecrisis wrote...

Geth and Rachni, because in both cases they're not aggressive and they have the moral high ground.

The Geth attack anyone, not just Quarians, who enter their space. They followed Saren (yes there was a virus but they could just as easily reach the same conclusion) to attack organic life. They have a staggering range of weapons and armaments. They are aggressive.

And how do the Rachni have the moral high ground?

Bold bit explains the problem. The Orthodox Geth are not aggressive. They do not attack anyone outside the veil. Ever. The Quarians on the other hand initiated - without provocation - an attempt to exterminate the Geth, and are still planning to exterminate them. It's an easy choice.

The Rachni are not naturally aggressive, unlike the Krogan.
Wrex: "We're not settlers, we're warriors. We want to fight."

Thats what really concerns me about the genophage cure, my Shep kept it and I don't want to see a race go extinct...but I have a lot of mixed feelings about the genophage cure, considering the dangers of a large Krogan population.

@Onelifecrisis...DAMN!! I really love your sig....thats funny...

Thanks!

My Paragon Shep also has real difficulty with the Genophage cure. It seems to me that the writers want you to think that Wrex+Cure will make everything turn out fine (whereas Wreave+Cure would be a distaster) but given everything I'm seeing in the game I have trouble believing that Wrex's changes will be enough. I think the Krogan you meet on Illium are proof that the Krogan can become peaceful, but Tuchanka is proof that their culture has to undergo some serious changes before that can happen there, and cultural change takes a long time even in human years. For a species that live a thousand years it would take, well, a really long time...

Even if Wrex could actually be trusted 100% with the genophage cure...Krogans are long lived, but not immortal, what happens after his gone.

Optimistically? If the changes he made work well for the Krogan they should hopefully be adopted like a new religion. It seems to me that this is what happens with humans in reality; a successful mindset becomes a sort of cultural identity for future generations, to the extent that it's hard to dislodge even after sufficient time has passed that it has become detrimental to the society due to changes in economy, foreign relations, and what have you.

Realistically? Yeah, I'm with you, it's a problem...

Modifié par onelifecrisis, 24 juin 2011 - 06:45 .

[Vegglimer]

I'd send the Quarians into a blazing hot sun even if I didn't have to choose. So, of course I choose the geth. They were wronged by the Quarians and deserve a chance.

Rachni VS Krogans is harder. But I think I'd pick Krogans.

A more viable choice would perhaps be Salarians VS Krogans? Seeing as these two races have... history?

[Mathy16]

We can resolve this peacefully?
I hope we can....