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[gunswordfist]

I can't help but have faith in them. So much is being built up. I probably am asking too much with how the games have been handled so far (ME1 is almost unplayable, ME2's story is only good for getting to know Cerebus and almost nothing else) but I just can't help but think Mass Effect 3 will be THE GAME. I have no doubt about it even though I probably should but I can't help it.

[Heimdall]

As someone who stared played DA:O and ME and loved them before moving on to their sequels and loving those too... There isn't really much Bioware is likely to do that could ruin ME3 for me, as I take little to no issue with the changes made in the sequels with the possible exception of the choice to bind the player to Kirkwall, though even that didn't bother me much. It helps that I have a very loose definition of RPG.

[The Spamming Troll]

madden better look out if bioware starts making football games.

[VegasVance]

King Zeel wrote...

BIOWARE WILL DELIVER ON EVERYTHING! DONT YOU WORRY!!!!!!!!!! ITS THE THIRD GAME! DUH!

Why would I ever say such a thing?
Because it is a lot more polite than "Waah" A decent chunk of the community gets very vocal if Bioware seems like their not making "their" game.  They've got a deadline, finite resoucres, and a big trilogy to finish up so, cry like the council all you want they've got a game to make. 

[Nashiktal]

Interactions that bog down the game? King here has not played any Bioware games besides Mass Effect then.

[ArcanistLibram]

The Dragon Age team started average and got progressively worse as time went on.

The Mass Effect started good and improved.

[Eire Icon]

King Zeel wrote...

 I am the one who wants Bioware to be incharge of the developing by NOT listening to the fans.

If Bioware see this and ignore it, will you be pleased or annoyed?

[tfive24]

ArcanistLibram wrote...

The Dragon Age team started average and got progressively worse as time went on.

The Mass Effect started good and improved.

The Mass Effect started good and got worst. 

[The Giant Napkin]

Dangerfoot wrote...

I expect it to be anywhere from slightly worse to slightly better than ME2.

Hopefully much better than DA2.

This. Nowadays, games have achieved a very high standard in many ways, I think, and the downside is that SOME developers start releasing games every year because that's lucrative, keeping to the popular gaming community saying 'If it ain't broken, don't fix it.' Personally, I can't stand that saying, and I think that it has killed or at least severely discouraged innovation in some games (CoD is the most obvious example, but I think Assassin's Creed is too going down the wrong path). Innovation and the guts to make a game not just better, but twice as good as the previous one are starting to dissapear.
Now I'm sure BioWare will deliver. After the step up (gameplay-wise) from ME1 to ME2, and the heaviest criticism for ME2 being the lack of RPG elements, I'm almost positive ME3 will be better than either of those games. However, what I'm secretly hoping for is a game that IS twice as good as them. That's not easy. Perhaps it's not possible. But at the very least it is what game developers should be TRYING to do.
I haven't lost faith in BioWare yet, but we know that from a sales and fan response perspective, the difference between an 'OK' and an amazing ME3 is not that big. Look at Cod or AC. I'll enjoy ME3, because it'll be a good game. But will it be the 'bestest game evar'?

[King Zeel]

A few things brought up that I want to reply to, I did indeed go to bed, so I'm a little behind. but I'll try.


One thing that I found deadly humorous was the "they pushed back ME2 because of the negative feedback"

calling utter crap on this. They pushed back the game because the release date competed with several amazing games; skyrim, that drake game and something else. They realize they could sell more if they pushed the date further and so they did. This is a company we are dealing with folks.

Alot of the other members are getting my post; keep your expectations to a minimal, sit down and just try and enjoy the ride.. and leave your crazy suggestions at the door. You guys are underestimating how the community here is. Seriously, go try for yourself. Post a topic about how disappointed you'll probably be and see how quickly someone will yell: BIOWARE WILL DELIVER!!!!!!

Another point brought up, I paid money, I better get what I want! Doesn't work like that, when you buy a game you agree to take whatever they give you. Whether you're satisfied or not is up to you, not the company.

[Eire Icon]

King Zeel wrote...

Post a topic about how disappointed you'll probably be and see how quickly someone will yell: BIOWARE WILL DELIVER!!!!!!

Estimating you will be disappointed based on very little info that is known about an unreleased game is unqualified at best. You could be disappointed, you could be delighted its impossible to say at this juncture. Its nothing more then idle speculation

[efrgfhnm_]

I think that it will deliver, and it will be one of the best games ever done by BioWare, if not the best.
What I do agree with entirely though, is that the feaures demanded constantly by screaming fangirls on these forums will not improve the game at all. Mass Effect 2 was amazing, but I see it as being great because the staff did not listen to the people here who prophesised doom, and did what they knew would make a great game. I wish they would do the same again

[mauro2222]

We live in a stupid world ruled by a unnecessary thing such as money. So ME3 will be mainstream and not at the same time. It will simple for profit, and with fan-based content, so they won't loose more fans = money.

[JayhartRIC]

CaptainSpandex wrote...

It's not a matter of 'expecting too much'. It's a matter of 'expecting to get what you're told you'll get'.

If I were waiting on Gears of War 3 with bated breath, I'd be pretty cranky with Epic Games if they randomly gave me a stealth game instead. I bought Mass Effect 2 expecting an RPG, and I got Gears of War with some (mild) RPG elements and a tacked-on dating sim. 

It's not undue expectation to expect an RPG from a company that makes RPGs.

ME was never a pure RPG.

[log1x_dr4g0n]

King Zeel wrote...

Now this isn't a bash thread. I love Bioware, they've made some of my favourite games and their products are top notch. Before the DA2 debacle, I could of proudly proclaimed that Bioware makes the best rpg's of all time.



That all being said, reading some of the suggestions and comments, aren't you guys putting a little too much faith in a company? 

Like, you'll see people voicing their concerns about like RPG elements, plot points, fleshed out characters and it doesn't take longer than the 4th reply for someone to crawl out of their obscure hiding place to yell at the top of their lungs:

BIOWARE WILL DELIVER ON EVERYTHING! DONT YOU WORRY!!!!!!!!!! ITS THE THIRD GAME! DUH!


They come in with such velocity that you almost want to believe them, but their faith is misplaced. Bioware is still a gaming company. I don't expect anything more than a 20 hour wrap up of the trilogy. You guys, for some reason expect much more.


Will 3 deliver? I wish I could say "YES!!!" like all of you guys, but I don't think it will be much better than the first one or even the second. I hope to be proved wrong, but seeing the new stuff, the direction the game is heading isn't exactly innovative and considering Mass effects trend of appealing to the fangirls, I'm not exactly optimistic.

It's funny how people are calling you a troll.


Anyway, I don't care...if I play a game more than once, and I enjoy it, then that's all that matters to me. I pretty much reserve any judgement until I can play any game, and I will do just that when I can finally play ME3.

[BounceDK]

I'm not getting my hopes up, not after the DAII mess. If ME3 turns out to be awesome, that's great. If it turns out to be a mediocre game (and it sure looks like it), then that is expected at least from my side and I won't be disappointed.

I still cant get over the cheesy music they used in the trailer, ugh.

[azerSheppard]

I support op, i stopped sucking BW c**k for a whilse (since me2), however 60% of the forum still does so for the games that are yet to be released.
Whilst 90% Bashes on anythings that been out longer than 5 months.

It's a jersey thing.

[Han Shot First]

Will 3 deliver? I wish I could say "YES!!!" like all of you guys, but I don't think it will be much better than the first one or even the second. I hope to be proved wrong, but seeing the new stuff, the direction the game is heading isn't exactly innovative and considering Mass effects trend of appealing to the fangirls, I'm not exactly optimistic.

I think you are guilty of overreacting just as much as the fangirls.

The truth is no one knows how the game is going to be yet, one way or the other.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 24 juin 2011 - 05:49 .

[Eurhetemec]

People base their beliefs about ME3's likely quality on the perceived quality of previous BioWare games.

ME1 was amazing for 2007.

ME2 was amazing, period.

So why should we expect ME3 to be anything less? It doesn't follow. AAA game companies don't typically suddenly release a game that is outright bad.

I mean, what's the worst BW game of recent years? DA2? Yet if DA2 wasn't a sequel to DA:O, it would have been much better regarded. Even with it's "Here's the same cavern again for the tenth time LOLZ!!!!!!" and "Parachuting city guards SAS-style!" nonsense, it was still better than most CRPGs (imho), and it's characters and the interactions were so far ahead of anything else on the market (including the Witcher 2, which was a better game, but with far worse characters) that it was just silly.

And that's the worst BioWare can do. I certainly don't think that ME3 will somehow be as bad as or worse than DA2. That's just not realistic or sensible. Optimism would be to think that ME3 would be a CRPG so good it will never be surpassed. Realism is to think ME3 will be a CRPG of extreme quality, on-par with or surpassing ME1 & ME2. Pessimism is to think that ME3 will be slightly worse than ME2, because we'll have seen it all before. Anything less than that? You're getting into the "unrealistic ultra-pessimism" realm.

[ryoldschool]

At least on the ME series, the more recent the work, the better. ME2 was a lot better than ME1. The DLC ( LotSB, Arrival ) from ME2 was better than ME2. So as long as they keep the same team together, ME3 ought to be better. Thats just my opinion.

[ERJAK1]

King Zeel wrote...

Now this isn't a bash thread. I love Bioware, they've made some of my favourite games and their products are top notch. Before the DA2 debacle, I could of proudly proclaimed that Bioware makes the best rpg's of all time.



That all being said, reading some of the suggestions and comments, aren't you guys putting a little too much faith in a company? 

Like, you'll see people voicing their concerns about like RPG elements, plot points, fleshed out characters and it doesn't take longer than the 4th reply for someone to crawl out of their obscure hiding place to yell at the top of their lungs:

BIOWARE WILL DELIVER ON EVERYTHING! DONT YOU WORRY!!!!!!!!!! ITS THE THIRD GAME! DUH!


They come in with such velocity that you almost want to believe them, but their faith is misplaced. Bioware is still a gaming company. I don't expect anything more than a 20 hour wrap up of the trilogy. You guys, for some reason expect much more.


Will 3 deliver? I wish I could say "YES!!!" like all of you guys, but I don't think it will be much better than the first one or even the second. I hope to be proved wrong, but seeing the new stuff, the direction the game is heading isn't exactly innovative and considering Mass effects trend of appealing to the fangirls, I'm not exactly optimistic.

See, your whole argument is based on the concept of  ME3 being as good as ME2 or ME1 being a bad thing.

Thus your argument is invalid. And who cares if it's only 20 hours if they're a great 20 hours. Movies do that s*** in 2.

[King Zeel]

Eire Icon wrote...

King Zeel wrote...

 I am the one who wants Bioware to be incharge of the developing by NOT listening to the fans.

If Bioware see this and ignore it, will you be pleased or annoyed?

My suggestion is not new, they've already seen it and ignored it. I am agitated.

I think you are guilty of overreacting just as much as the fangirls.

The truth is no one knows how the game is going to be yet, one way or the other.

That's a load of cow dung. How is that the "truth"? there's several topics revealing new features, screenshots, characters, plot points every day. and you're telling me "no one" knows how the game is going to be yet? Well, sure, but we can make a pretty good guess.

Hell, there was a demo, are you telling me the demo is not a demonstration of how the game is going to be? Seriously. Alot of you guys are in denial up until the release date. I'm a little more realistic, if we see something in the game at this point, I'm going to bet we'll see it in the game at release.

As if the company will start removing things MID-production because a few fans don't like it. be realistic guys



Another thing you guys are in denial about is the whole "its not the game its the marketing strategy" you know whats also a good market strategy? making the game more -shooter-esque/casual player game.

[Eurhetemec]

King Zeel wrote...

Another thing you guys are in denial about is the whole "its not the game its the marketing strategy" you know whats also a good market strategy? making the game more -shooter-esque/casual player game.

Uh-huh, but it also looks like it has better RPG elements, so, what are even saying?

To me it looks like ME3 will be both a better shooter AND a better RPG than ME2. If it's not a better RPG, just a better shooter, well, guess what?

It'll still be a better game than ME2.

Which would make it amazing.

Why do you think being "better than ME2" is a bad thing?

[King Zeel]

Eurhetemec wrote...

King Zeel wrote...

Another thing you guys are in denial about is the whole "its not the game its the marketing strategy" you know whats also a good market strategy? making the game more -shooter-esque/casual player game.

Uh-huh, but it also looks like it has better RPG elements, so, what are even saying?

To me it looks like ME3 will be both a better shooter AND a better RPG than ME2. If it's not a better RPG, just a better shooter, well, guess what?

It'll still be a better game than ME2.

Which would make it amazing.

Why do you think being "better than ME2" is a bad thing?

Where are these statements coming from, "better" shooter, "better" rpg elements? Bioware isn't focusing on any of these components of gameplay. aren't you paying attention?