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[Eurhetemec]

King Zeel wrote...

Where are these statements coming from, "better" shooter, "better" rpg elements? Bioware isn't focusing on any of these components of gameplay. aren't you paying attention?

Oh, what is it focusing on? Because from the sticked thread at the top of this page, it looks like they're including more RPG elements and adding depth to the ones already there, and making the combat more mobile (which was the one flaw with ME2's combat), melee more interesting, and the enemies more diverse.

So...?

[ilovemesometurian]

For me it's simply a situation of, "They havent let me down yet!". I put my money and time into a product that I have been in no way disappointed with whatsoever and I believe that BioWare listens to the fans extremely well. Of course there's always the possibility of disappointment, but until BioWare gives me a reason to fear the Mass Effect series letting me down, it won't be a mental concern while I'm waiting for the third and final enstallment in what is possibly the greatest game and story I have ever played in my entire life. That's all =D

Modifié par ilovemesometurian, 24 juin 2011 - 09:56 .

[BatmanPWNS]

Every fan has high expectation from the developers they love. I've seen it on every forum and it will continue.

[DaveExclamationMarkYognaut]

People get hyped about stuff - see also: Skyrim. Personally, I don't expect the story to be revolutionary or particularly good, but I expect fun characters and excellent gameplay, just like most Bioware games.

[Captain_Obvious]

Bioware has delivered. End of story for me. The things that I don't like in their games are vastly outnumbered by the things I do like. Until this trend changes, hype, hype away! I'm super serial.

[AlanC9]

King Zeel wrote...
Where are these statements coming from, "better" shooter, "better" rpg elements? Bioware isn't focusing on any of these components of gameplay. aren't you paying attention?

I see why people accuse you of trolling -- blanket statements with no evidence are no way to conduct an argument , son.

What has Bio been focused on, in your opinion. And what eveidence is that opinion based on?

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

AlanC9 wrote...

King Zeel wrote...
Where are these statements coming from, "better" shooter, "better" rpg elements? Bioware isn't focusing on any of these components of gameplay. aren't you paying attention?

I see why people accuse you of trolling -- blanket statements with no evidence are no way to conduct an argument , son.

What has Bio been focused on, in your opinion. And what eveidence is that opinion based on?

King Zeel equals that silly old ram, thinking he'll punch a hole in the dam... no one can make that ram, scram, he keeps butting that dam!

See... he has HIGH hopes too

[kyg_20X6]

Well so far BW has shown very little of the diversity and change and impact of decisions. Differences in ME2 (based on what you did in ME1) weren't that different. Often it was the same thing in a different skin - the illusion of change. Which is highly disappointing.

But, that being said, they did say they were constrained because they had to account for a third game. So with the supposed "freedom" that making the final games brings I hope we don't see anymore "same ****, different smell" stuff from ME2.

[Chaos Gate]

JayhartRIC wrote...

CaptainSpandex wrote...

It's not a matter of 'expecting too much'. It's a matter of 'expecting to get what you're told you'll get'.

If I were waiting on Gears of War 3 with bated breath, I'd be pretty cranky with Epic Games if they randomly gave me a stealth game instead. I bought Mass Effect 2 expecting an RPG, and I got Gears of War with some (mild) RPG elements and a tacked-on dating sim. 

It's not undue expectation to expect an RPG from a company that makes RPGs.

ME was never a pure RPG.

Yes, but it was never meant to be just another third person shooter, either. At least, that's the impression that I got from ME1.

[Wintermist]

For some reason I feel that BioWare will actually make a top-notch game with Mass Effect 3. Everything I've seen so far looks excellent.

[littlezack]

Chaos Gate wrote...

JayhartRIC wrote...

CaptainSpandex wrote...

It's not a matter of 'expecting too much'. It's a matter of 'expecting to get what you're told you'll get'.

If I were waiting on Gears of War 3 with bated breath, I'd be pretty cranky with Epic Games if they randomly gave me a stealth game instead. I bought Mass Effect 2 expecting an RPG, and I got Gears of War with some (mild) RPG elements and a tacked-on dating sim. 

It's not undue expectation to expect an RPG from a company that makes RPGs.

ME was never a pure RPG.

Yes, but it was never meant to be just another third person shooter, either. At least, that's the impression that I got from ME1.

Regardless of how I might feel about ME2, calling it 'just another shooter' is really pushing it in a lot of ways.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

King Zeel, I was going to disagree with you, but after reading your post, I have to say... I understand where you're coming from, and I agree, somewhat.

Before Dragon Age II, I was a devoted Bioware fan.  I had a lot of faith in them because of games like NWN, KotOR, Mass Effect, and Dragon Age: Origins.  Then I played the DA II demo, and was shaken to my core.  Whereas I'd give most Bioware games a 9/10 or 10/10, my impression of DA II based on that demo and what I've heard would be a  generous 5/10.  I might buy the game eventually, but I'm going to wait until it has a price drop or two first.

I'm not sure what to think anymore...  At least my favorite squadmates are confirmed to return in ME3.  That and ME2's combat system give me high hopes.  I'm more cautious now, but I'll buy Mass Effect 3 regardless of what happens.  There's no indication that they'll do sweeping, dramatic changes, but even if they do, at least I'll be able to finish Shepard's story, unlike that of the Warden.

[Missouri Tigers]

I actually kind of agree. I much prefer ME1 to ME2 because Mass Effect 2 was so different in how it played out. No longer could you actually explore the galaxy and land on huge planets in the Mako. The storyline was so ridiculous that they gave you 20 squadmates just so you could call it a "character-based story" (which it could be if I could have more than 2 conversations with non-LIs). I think Mass Effect 2 is phenomenal, but when I play Mass Effect 1 it's such a different experience. There's a lot more places to go, and the missions were large and fun to play. Mass Effect 1 had missions like Noveria and Feros that took a while and had large worlds and tons of sidequests. Mass Effect 2 had nothing like that. It had a bajillion short recruitment and loyalty missions for a 45-minute final mission. I went to the grocery store for 5 hours to eat a 20 minute dinner.

If ME3 is like ME1 where Bioware goes for quality not quantity (both with characters and missions), it will be a success.  If they spend the whole game making sure it appeals to Gears of War fans, then it will probably fail.

Modifié par Missouri Tigers, 25 juin 2011 - 07:09 .

[VirtualStranger]

"Landing on huge planets in the Mako?" You mean the most boring, pointless side missions in history?

Every single one of them was a slight variation of "Go here, drive in a vehicle that handles like a fat man on a unicycle to this uninteresting and ridiculously located prefabricated structure, get in their base that just happens to look exactly like every other base in the galaxy, kill all of them in a firefight in the middle of a bunch of crates and exploding barrels, and then leave.

Yeah, I'm glad those are gone.

[littlezack]

Ditto.

I don't really get why people hate planet scanning but love the Mako so much. I'm not a big fan of either, but at least planet scanning is so simple that I can usually do something else while I'm doing it, and it doesn't take all that long to get what you need. On top of that, you actually get some tangible rewards out of it. Nine times out of ten, the Mako missions just led to more of the same crap you already had.

[Icinix]

Wait...are we talking about high expectations, or fanatical faith here?

Because there is nothing wrong with having high expectations. In fact, from a company with as much money, man power and resources as BioWare - we should have nothing less than high expectations.

It would be like supporting Manchester United and saying "Well, we really hope they can achieve mid table finish this season."

[BounceDK]

ryoldschool wrote...

ME2 was a lot better than ME1.

No. Just no.

[Radwar]

Until Dragon Age 2 came along, I had nothing but praise for Bioware, I have been playing their games since Baldur's Gate. I never doubted that they would release amazing games, but since DA2, I'm now in the "We will see" state of mind.

[Radwar]

BounceDK wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

ME2 was a lot better than ME1.

No. Just no.

 Well, it's subjective, I personally prefer ME1 over ME2 myself.

[littlezack]

BounceDK wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

ME2 was a lot better than ME1.

No. Just no.

I agree with him.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Radwar wrote...

Until Dragon Age 2 came along, I had nothing but praise for Bioware, I have been playing their games since Baldur's Gate. I never doubted that they would release amazing games, but since DA2, I'm now in the "We will see" state of mind.

Seems like DA 2 had that effect on a lot of us.

[Kusy]

The only thing I really loved about BioWare games was story, I used to thing that I'm an RPG fan but the cake was a lie - I'm a fan of good stories in games. Back in the date only RPG games actualy had some decent story... right now every good game has and RPG became only a gameplay mechanic choice to tell it... and for me it shows up it's not the best one.

I don't like tedious stats managment too much, that works for MMO, I don't like grinding tons of monsters (that doesn't work well anywhere)... I like an entertaining, live and fast gameplay to fill the necesary holes in story advancment.

KOTOR was amazing, I never finished it without cheats, Dragon Age Origins was decent tho boring as hell in the gameplay department... also never finished it without cheats. Dragon Age 2 made some right decisions towards perfecting the gameplay but the story was bad... actualy only Mass Effect was my kind of a BioWare game, it had the right ammount of character advancment and action... Mass Effect had a lot of action but in comparision to other games of this time it was really medicore while the story lacked horribly... honestly, when I look back at ME2 it's little fun to me - bad a shooter, bad as a storyline, just a cluster of nice separate quests.

I have no high expectations for BioWare, sure I hope that next Dragon Age game will be good, sure I hope that Mass Effect 3 will end up finding the balance... but as a gamer I became more interested in games like Assassin's Creed, I'm more engaged with Alice: Madness Returns than I ever was with Mass Effect 2, Way more excited about any news about the next GTA.

BioWare makes good games, that's it. But right now I can find what I like elsewhere.

[Gatt9]

Mmmm....

There's a couple of groups of note here on this board...

1.  Bioware can do no wrong!  They'll pretty much defend everything Bioware has chosen no matter how illogical or contradictory it is.  They've made it their personal vendetta to stamp out any criticism of Bioware,  a few have even stated that intent.

2.  The group that bought into EA's hype machine from ME2.  They'll just start going on about "ME2 was all these awards,  it's the greatest game ever",  ignoring all of the major problems with video game journalists.  Many of which were very well demonstrated by Dragon Age 2.

Bioware hasn't been on an uphill run with their quality,  ME2 had alot of enourmous problems,  from logical ones (Thermal clips,  why are they in places they can't possibly be?),  very weak gameplay in comparison to other TPS's,  bad writing(I chose Spectre reinstatement and then kept introducing myself as a former spectre),  horrendous mini-games (Planet Scanning and all the rest).

DA2 was even worse.  It's quality was abyssmal,  and it's spokespeople attributed the problems to the fans.  It wasn't their game,  it was that people didn't "Get their perfection" or that people were "Clinging to old stuff",  or even blaming 4chan.  Anything but their product was wrong.

It's actually pretty bad here,  people will defend *everything* as if Bioware's perfection itself.  They showed none of the "RPG elements" at E3,  and people defend it with "Oh,  they're saving them for a later reveal!",  no they're not,  they just don't want the game to be perceived as an RPG. 

I suspect that some people just want to validate their personal like of ME2 in the face of criticisms of obviously weak systems.

King Zeel wrote...
One thing that I found deadly humorous was the "they pushed back ME2 because of the negative feedback"

calling utter crap on this. They pushed back the game because the release date competed with several amazing games; skyrim, that drake game and something else. They realize they could sell more if they pushed the date further and so they did. This is a company we are dealing with folks.

They didn't push the date back because of Skyrim or Uncharted.  Uncharted wasn't known at that point.  Skyrim's a non-factor,  The TES series really isn't all that big of a competitor,  Oblivion needed 3 platforms and absolutely no other RPG's on any of them just to hit 4 million in sales.  Fallout 3 didn't do anywhere near as well as Bethseda thought it would,  selling less than half of it's initial shipment before it dropped off the NPD top 10.  It's highly unlikely Skyrim's going to do well at all,  especially since Bethseda's well on it's way to ticking off yet another portion of it's potential market,  since they didn't learn the first 4 times they made that mistake.

They pushed the date back because EA wanted Kinect support so they could check off another marketing bullet point,  and they want Multiplayer in every game because that's how they're currently forcing the used-game buyers to pay them. 

Which is actually another 2 reasons why ME3 is a troubled product,  features forced in by the marketing department or suits.  That never ends well.

[Tonymac]

I do have high expectations of Bioware! Why should I not? All in all, I can only point to a few things about ME2 that I really did not enjoy - that is to say, out of everything in the game only a handful of things annoyed me.

Aside from a retarded human reaper and terminator knockoff, aside from endless planetary scanning (I have almost 50 full playthroughs saved) I have little to complain about. I think that given the scope of the game, the level of detail that Bioware provided - all in all my complaints are minimal. They have provided a quality product - and I expect that ME3 will be just as good of a product.

If they want to put in S/S romances and all kinds of other seemingly strange character interactions to appease the fans - then so be it. As long as I don't accidently click on a button that has some dude kissing my Shepard, we are cool.

Given the quality of their ME series products, I can lend them some faith that ME3 will be a lot of fun.