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Saw some levels for the first time since before E3 and wow have they come a long way. So much in #ME3 that we haven't even hinted at yet.
Hmm this tweet shows that Casey is not directly connected with the development. He is in the dark just like us untill someone shows stuff to him. This might explain why he said about permanent squadies earlier and something else now.:blink:
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S.A.K wrote...

2 ME movies are being made. One animated other live action!


I hope computer animation... :unsure:

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@CaseyDHudson Is Tali a permanent squadmember in ME3?
@CaseyDHudson.@kainryckarr Tali will be able to join your team, but nothing's permanent in #ME3 - it's a story of full-scale war, with lots of twists.
I saw this on twitter. So no squad member is permanent? OMG this might mean squadies die in the middle of the game? What about the once earlier confirmed to be permanent?
:blink: Also this is a general character thread. So don't start to argue who is the best and what you hate.
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This likely means that if you harm the Quarian race Tali will leave you for example. I'm guessing this will apply to all squad members as well.

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Silentblaze wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

@CaseyDHudson Is Tali a permanent squadmember in ME3?
@CaseyDHudson.@kainryckarr Tali will be able to join your team, but nothing's permanent in #ME3 - it's a story of full-scale war, with lots of twists.
I saw this on twitter. So no squad member is permanent? OMG this might mean squadies die in the middle of the game? What about the once earlier confirmed to be permanent?
:blink: Also this is a general character thread. So don't start to argue who is the best and what you hate.
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This likely means that if you harm the Quarian race Tali will leave you for example. I'm guessing this will apply to all squad members as well.


Still the best guess, IMO.

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I personally hope that all old squadmates, as well as Vega and a new female LI, will be permanent squadmates, but there will be Virmire-esques situations littered throughout the game so that in the end you will only have your favourite five or six.

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Still the best guess, IMO.


I think that's the more convenient guess. The realistic one would be that Tali is a squaddie only in missions directly connected to the geth/quarian conflict, and selectable during the endgame battle/whatever, like any other former teammate. Equal treatment, if you wish. That's what I'd like to see in ME3.



Jake71887 wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

2 ME movies are being made. One animated other live action!


I hope computer animation... :unsure:



I don't think there's animation which isn't made by computers these days, but if you mean 3D a-la Pixar, than no. It'll be an anime.

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Lord Issa wrote...

I personally hope that all old squadmates, as well as Vega and a new female LI, will be permanent squadmates, but there will be Virmire-esques situations littered throughout the game so that in the end you will only have your favourite five or six.

OMG if that happens there will be some real tough choices :unsure:

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S.A.K wrote...

Lord Issa wrote...

I personally hope that all old squadmates, as well as Vega and a new female LI, will be permanent squadmates, but there will be Virmire-esques situations littered throughout the game so that in the end you will only have your favourite five or six.

OMG if that happens there will be some real tough choices :unsure:


With the triology coming to an end Bioware may think that there little reason to save the lives of your squadmembers or of shepard.
ME4 might play in another timeframe and therefore has no need for any survivals but i would really hate some virmire-like sacrifices because the game would in fact take away the possibility of the player to make choices, because I assume that the ultimate goal of many players is to save everybody from your present and past crews. 

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berserkerblob wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Lord Issa wrote...

I personally hope that all old squadmates, as well as Vega and a new female LI, will be permanent squadmates, but there will be Virmire-esques situations littered throughout the game so that in the end you will only have your favourite five or six.

OMG if that happens there will be some real tough choices :unsure:


With the triology coming to an end Bioware may think that there little reason to save the lives of your squadmembers or of shepard.
ME4 might play in another timeframe and therefore has no need for any survivals but i would really hate some virmire-like sacrifices because the game would in fact take away the possibility of the player to make choices, because I assume that the ultimate goal of many players is to save everybody from your present and past crews. 

I really think there will be an ending where every crew member lives.

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I think Bioware have stated it many times that stakes are much higher than "squadmate death decisions" this time around. They won't waste time on that, it'll be more about choosing between entire races and civilizations, and sacrificing them, MAYBE along with some of your team members.

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The fact that Hudson said "Tali will be able to join" makes it sound like Tali will be an optional choice.

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The fact that Hudson said "Tali will be able to join" makes it sound like Tali will be an optional choice.

Maybe, specially because she can die in ME2 along with Garrus.

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Lord Issa wrote...

I personally hope that all old squadmates, as well as Vega and a new female LI, will be permanent squadmates, but there will be Virmire-esques situations littered throughout the game so that in the end you will only have your favourite five or six.


Alright, not exactly topic of this thread, but what new female LI? What have I missed?

Anyway I do really hope that all the old squadmates, especially Tali and Garrus will be able to stay most of the game with you. After all ME3 was supposed to be "deeper relationships" and what would be better way to explore that than use character who had been with Shep through thick and thin.

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LGTX wrote...

I think Bioware have stated it many times that stakes are much higher than "squadmate death decisions" this time around. They won't waste time on that, it'll be more about choosing between entire races and civilizations, and sacrificing them, MAYBE along with some of your team members.


Indeed. I think there is more at stake than just your possible squadmate death. It's more like that you are going to decide the fate of entire races. Of course that could still provide Virmire situation if you have two different characters in two different planet and you can/you have time to save only one.

Most unpleasant choice would something like you need to decide if you want to save either Turian Homeworld along with Garrus or Quarian fleet along with Tali. Luckily that's not likely, but still possible.

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Newart wrote...

LGTX wrote...

I think Bioware have stated it many times that stakes are much higher than "squadmate death decisions" this time around. They won't waste time on that, it'll be more about choosing between entire races and civilizations, and sacrificing them, MAYBE along with some of your team members.


Indeed. I think there is more at stake than just your possible squadmate death. It's more like that you are going to decide the fate of entire races. Of course that could still provide Virmire situation if you have two different characters in two different planet and you can/you have time to save only one.

Most unpleasant choice would something like you need to decide if you want to save either Turian Homeworld along with Garrus or Quarian fleet along with Tali. Luckily that's not likely, but still possible.

Lol if that happen my Shep will shoot himself. =]

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S.A.K wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

The fact that Hudson said "Tali will be able to join" makes it sound like Tali will be an optional choice.

Maybe, specially because she can die in ME2 along with Garrus.


That and I think that there is always the possibly that you provided that evidence at Tali's Loayalty mission exonarating Tali, but against her wishes. And Tali did state quite obvious that she will leave from Normandy after the mission in ME2 was over. So, it possible that she could join, but it's completely another matter, if she wants that or if she would stay longer than absolutely necessary, say to save Quarian race or something like that.

There are so many different possibilities in Tali's case. I mean all we know is that she might have even become the new fifth Admiral thanks to some of the Shep's choices in her defence at her trial. That would really inpair her chances to in your crew in full-time.

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Newart wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

The fact that Hudson said "Tali will be able to join" makes it sound like Tali will be an optional choice.

Maybe, specially because she can die in ME2 along with Garrus.


That and I think that there is always the possibly that you provided that evidence at Tali's Loayalty mission exonarating Tali, but against her wishes. And Tali did state quite obvious that she will leave from Normandy after the mission in ME2 was over. So, it possible that she could join, but it's completely another matter, if she wants that or if she would stay longer than absolutely necessary, say to save Quarian race or something like that.

There are so many different possibilities in Tali's case. I mean all we know is that she might have even become the new fifth Admiral thanks to some of the Shep's choices in her defence at her trial. That would really inpair her chances to in your crew in full-time.


When did she say that?

Based on Casey hudson's cumulative tweets, I think it's rather likely Tali is still a full-timer.

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Then how would they handle after credits gameplay and DLC?

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Could he bew refering to that Tali could be dead?

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KainrycKarr wrote...

Newart wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

BatmanPWNS wrote...

The fact that Hudson said "Tali will be able to join" makes it sound like Tali will be an optional choice.

Maybe, specially because she can die in ME2 along with Garrus.

And Tali did state quite obvious that she will leave from Normandy after the mission in ME2 was over.


When did she say that?

Based on Casey hudson's cumulative tweets, I think it's rather likely Tali is still a full-timer.


Right, I did remember wrong. She didn't say anything like that. But if you read between the lines from what she said back on Normandy, she was not happy at all, what Shepard did. And while she did said that "Im still going to back you. I'll still at your side. Just don't......don't talk to me unless you need something" that definitely left me impression that she wouldn't really want to do anything with Shep, but circumstances forces that, she would need to stay.

I can easily see that she would want to leave after suicide mission is over. Or the very least this could partially explain why is wouldn't be permanent squadmember if you followed that path in ME2.

But I guess I read too much between the lines and then made connections with doesn't really exist the way I put it.
So, let's just say that she would definitely want to leave and probably would if not Reaper and collector threat.

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Could he bew refering to that Tali could be dead?


I think its partly that, but its also imo to keep things as vague and non commital as they can.

They don't want to actually admit that say for example all but the VS,Vega,Liara and any other potential new squadmate are permanent and everyone else is temp because it'll create a backlash (i'm not saying thats definetly what they mean rather if it was the case its much better to be vague and confusing until later).

They went this route with me2, question after question was asked about the VS, Liara, Wrex. and we got the same non commital, take it anway you like type of answers until much nearer release when we got the Wrex has an awesome cameo and Liara and the Vs. wouldn't be squadmates this time because they were being saved for me3.

Personally i find myself annoyed but not surprised by what they say and how they say it, it just reeks of exactly what they did and said before imo, and you just have to see their handling of me1 characters in me2 to see how that turned out.

When it comes to potentially dead characters it seems like bioware choose the less is more easy to fit scenario, so if thats what they intend to do then we really should have seen it coming and are only have ourselves to blame for not accepting what could be true.

No matter how you look at it or how its implemented, creating scenarios where squadmates would only be temporary is giving less time and effort to the resolution of those character arcs. People can say oh but character A would be off doing so and so and character b has this to do, but again they're missing the point imo.

Every single character in mass effect could have another reason why they aren't part of a squad with Shepard, all of them nobody excluded could have a part to play and a role elsewhere, but they don't. Shepard comes along and character A/B or C drops whatever else is going on in their life or finds a reason why accompanying Shepard is best for them, the galaxy, the univers whatever.

By turning people who already followed in this route into people who no longer have the same reasoning or excuse to follow in this route, your turning a character from a squadmate into an Npc, the reasoning behind it is only as valid as the reason why they were squadmates in the first place. Anderson is an NPC, even an important NPC, he knows how important Shepard's mission has been in 2 games, but despite Shepard asking him twice Anderson gives reasons why he can't come along which is fine he's an NPC, the others from me1 and me2 do not, which is where the difference lies.

People can say ah but Tali could have an important role to play with the quarians and yes indeed she could but she could also have said in me2, "jeez Shepard i'd love to come along and help on this big ol suicide mission your on but i'm about to get exiled and my people want to try me for being a traitor so i'll have to sit this one out" the fact as we now is she didn't. Instead Shepard went with her, helped resolve the situation and lo and behold Tali was free to continue as a squadmate and participate in the SM.

Its not a question of should characters move on and have other things to do, characters do that they're called NPC's and their roles are important, but not as important as Squadmembers who instead with Shepard's help resolve their little situations and continue along in their squadmate roles.

Bioware changing these roles or creating scenarios to justify why a character can't be a fulltime squadmate is not because the storyline must be consistent and characters must act accordingly rather its fitting characters and storylines into what they want to do regarding who or how many people are squadmates. Which is fine and dandy but don't dress it up as anything other than creating a fulltime squadmember role for people who may or may not be in everyones game was too much like hardwork, therefore we decided to go this route.

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I like the idea of this the more I think about it. While I enjoy the game model where you have a set of permanant companions, I can't think of any game I've played in the past that works like ME3 is suggested to. Having different people for different missions, or whatever they decide to do in the end will be an interesting thing to try, and I'm looking forward to seeing how it will work.

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Late to the party: But I think when they say "no one is permanent," they mean in a "you won't be able to choose your squad throughout the entire game.

What I'm expecting is something Star Ocean esc, where you get to see all of the party members during their arcs, and then in the final stretch, you choose who stays in the final party, and who leaves forever. But of course, you'll always have the standard party that takes up all of the skills. But a quick question, what is Vega's class going to be? Or has it not been confirmed?

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I'm now less excited for ME3. :(

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If I remember correctly BW said you can play after the credits. Can someone confirm?