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S.A.K wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

DanteEnkoro wrote...

The part that really doesn't sound pleasant is the multiple life/death choices. As long as they don't put two well-liked characters in the same spot it would be alright. But if I have to choose between, say, Ashley or Garrus, that's not going to be cool.

OMG I hope that don't happen. If its Tali and Garrus:unsure:
I really can't watch Tali dying. but...but...Garrus is my bro:blink:

I don't see that, but I can see Tali or Legion.   If I had to choose between Ash or Garrus, I would pick Garrus unless in the one game where Shep stayed faithful then he would pick Ash.  That would be a hard choice. 

Its just an example and I am glad its unlikely because those two are my favorite in ANY game. If its Tali and Legion its good bye Legion. But thats just my opinion.


Same here.  I thought about using Tali in the example first but the mere thought of Tali dying was too much.  I feel sorry for the poor sap BW puts up against her.

Honestly though, if these are the kinds of choices we're going to have to make then ME3 is shaping up to be quite the drama filled game.

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...and now I'm thinking that means that no one is permanent except the VS and Vega, since they have no plot ties to any planet than the one they're about to beam you up Scotty from.


I will be pissed.

Same. No Grunt for perm? RAAAAAAAGE! This is just a case of Bioware not wanting those who got people killed in ME2 to suffer even though thats exactly what should happen. I have imports where people died. I wont be pissed if Iam down a few squad slots in those imports in ME3 because thats the price I should pay.
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Modifié par TexasToast712, 24 juin 2011 - 07:49 .


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I would have liked to have seen Grunt as a permanent squadmate. As his BattleMaster I'm somewhat concerned about his development. Then again Wrex would be a pretty good substitute :)

In the end [at most] I'd only want 6 permanent squadmates ... one for each class.  Everyone else I'd be happy to pick up on a mission to mission / act to act basis.

Note:  Having an end mission like the Suicide Mission where you have different teams / mission specialists / etc. with ALL the squadmates would be cool!!

Modifié par Alamar2078, 24 juin 2011 - 08:07 .


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As usual they're being political with what they say leading into confusion and conclussion jumping simply because they won't clarify a simple bloody question. Either all squadmates are temp and rotate in and out depending on certain variables or this only applies to some squadmates and others are permanent.

In terms of what he actually said you could interpret it as, Mass effect 3 has a galatic war, people can die, some of these include people you could have as squadmates, therefore nothing is permanent. Or you can interpret as some or all squadmates are temp and will leave or be unavailable to you at certain points of ME3, which creates a different scenario.

The problem with characters coming and going, rotating in or out is we get less content with all the characters as a result. No matter how its handled certain characters or all of them would get less content than if all or some were permanent.

The question people should be asking is not if character rotatation makes storyline sense but whether it makes storyline sense in your story (which mass effect is supposed to be after all) and even if it does was the story created to allow the easiest way of bioware importing characters or was it done because that's the way the story should be done.

Every character could have a reason why they might join but then leave, but seriously isn't this true in me1 or me2 also, couldn't Samara have said hmmm suicide mission nah thanks i have daughter issues.

So we get to me3 and for example we recruit Tali who then because of what's happening with the quarians leaves only to return at a later point or not at all and this is supposed to make sense. Surely she knows by now that if anyone can help its Shepard so being with Shepard would be more helpful than going off on her own (afterall that didn't work out too well in me2 now did it).

To me it really does sound like what we're getting is the beginning of the excuse for why the me2 crew will be temp at best squadmembers and that reason has nothing to do with storyline. Its me2's handling of potential dead characters all over again imo.

Character can die so rather than implement a full role for that character in the next game we'll create a reason why they aren't and limit their role, giving us less work. So instead of characters are being held back for me3, we're getting nothing is permanent and squadmember roles are different this time.

To me if this is handled badly its the biggest single cop out from bioware and something i don't know if would be able to accept or forgive.

Modifié par alperez, 24 juin 2011 - 07:59 .


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I really think people need to calm just read the actual tweet. This is being blown WAY out of proportion.

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KainrycKarr wrote...

I really think people need to calm just read the actual tweet. This is being blown WAY out of proportion.


^THIS :ph34r:

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It's really not as black and white as permanent and temporary.

Remember when Norman said not to assume squadmates will work the same way they did in the previous games?

Also consider tweets like these from Casey Hudson

@CaseyDHudson Casey Hudson
.@shadowdragon20 We've confirmed James, Liara, Ash/Kaidan, Garrus, and Tali as squad members / main chars in #ME3. More to reveal though.

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KainrycKarr wrote...

I really think people need to calm just read the actual tweet. This is being blown WAY out of proportion.


I think because the tweet doesn't actually answer the question, in fact if anything it opens up some that weren't there it allows itself to be blown out of proportion. Its ambiqious at best and confusing the issue and deliberately obtuse at worst.

When you don't answer things in a straightforward manner clarifying things you allow for different people to interpret things in a different manner, its political twostepping of the highest order, never confrim, never deny and for godsakes never clarify and tie yourself down into a single intrpretation.

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KainrycKarr wrote...

It's really not as black and white as permanent and temporary.

Remember when Norman said not to assume squadmates will work the same way they did in the previous games?

Also consider tweets like these from Casey Hudson

@CaseyDHudson Casey Hudson
.@shadowdragon20 We've confirmed James, Liara, Ash/Kaidan, Garrus, and Tali as squad members / main chars in #ME3. More to reveal though.


Yes, and while they may appear in the game, it is also important to consider that they may or may not be there with Shepard 100% of the time. 

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XX55XX wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

It's really not as black and white as permanent and temporary.

Remember when Norman said not to assume squadmates will work the same way they did in the previous games?

Also consider tweets like these from Casey Hudson

@CaseyDHudson Casey Hudson
.@shadowdragon20 We've confirmed James, Liara, Ash/Kaidan, Garrus, and Tali as squad members / main chars in #ME3. More to reveal though.


Yes, and while they may appear in the game, it is also important to consider that they may or may not be there with Shepard 100% of the time. 


He explicit says squadmember. This is different from what he's said regarding people such as Jack and Miranda where the term squadmate is nowhere in sight.

That's not what I was saying, anyway. I think that there will be a list of "full-time" squaddies, and that Tali and Garrus are on there as has been stated, but that some of them will only be full-time if certain conditions are met.

If you don't meet those conditions, then they aren't full-timers, validating his post.

for instance, tali might not be available until you've resolved the geth/quarian conflict, and after that, she may not continue on at your side if you don't handle it her way(or in a way beneficial to the quarians).

And more situations like that with other characters.

Modifié par KainrycKarr, 24 juin 2011 - 08:38 .


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In other words, we will most likely be able to choose our squadmates--depending on our previous decisions and how the story in ME3 plays out. There won't be a fixed team that you have to recruit and get along with.

Now this would be kittens and caramel. Which is the problem. This is too good to be true.

I'm thinking that we may see the mechanic from the end of ME2 expanded.

An example:-
We're trying to land on a world and enter a hidden settlement without the reapers seeing the entrance. To do this we need to send a scout down in the mako/whatever to set up a radar jammer and a tech expert to get us through the hidden door.
For each role we only have a couple of possibilities, or it might be a fixed squad member. Regardless, once we're in we have a standard quest hub, except those members we choose are no longer available to us.
Essentially, each planet/hub would have a small list of characters which you can't take, rather than a required character.
Want to visit the Migrant Fleet? Then legion has to stay at home.

If not this then I'd guess for multiple missions where squadies either die or have to stay behind for a bit afterwards, or we have to send a squadie away for X missions and they unlock a mission/hub afterwards.

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KainrycKarr wrote...

If you don't meet those conditions, then they aren't full-timers, validating his post.

for instance, tali might not be available until you've resolved the geth/quarian conflict, and after that, she may not continue on at your side if you don't handle it her way(or in a way beneficial to the quarians).

And more situations like that with other characters.


Or more simply they didn't survive ME2.

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Cutlass Jack wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

If you don't meet those conditions, then they aren't full-timers, validating his post.

for instance, tali might not be available until you've resolved the geth/quarian conflict, and after that, she may not continue on at your side if you don't handle it her way(or in a way beneficial to the quarians).

And more situations like that with other characters.


Or more simply they didn't survive ME2.


It would be nice if it were that simple and easy.

Sadly...things that are nice and easy generally don't come true in these cases.

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so basially in a way there punishing us for putting too many characters into the story.

ok maybe a bit dramatic haha.

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Your only permanent companion will be Death.

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andraip wrote...

Your only permanent companion will be Death.


Hello darkness my old friend

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KainrycKarr

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cakeeaternic wrote...

so basially in a way there punishing us for putting too many characters into the story.

ok maybe a bit dramatic haha.


Yea...that's a bit of an overreaction.

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What I feel like is that they're going to take some characters out, but towards the finale or throughout the game they're going to be constantly part of what Shepard is doing, like leading their own troops or coordinating attacks with Shepard.


IDK i feel like they have some dynamic amazing secret that fixed this speculation of character adding but I don't think they're telling us yet. I mean ME was planned to be a three game series even before the first one, they had to have some kind of plan for this issue ya know? =)

Modifié par ilovemesometurian, 24 juin 2011 - 09:52 .


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those tweets should be renamed to "butterflies."

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It's actually quite logic that you might not have any permanent squad members like in previous games. I'm pretty sure that all the characters have some "loose ends", which they need to take care of now that Reapers are coming and might destroy the whole Galaxy.

After all Garrus does have some family issues, which I guess would have some sort of role in ME3. Also the fact that Liara is mentioned as "full-time squad member actually really surprised me. I was sure that because she becomes new Shadow Broker that she would not be available, but I was wrong. But still that being SB part would easily explain her temporary absence.

And then Tali have that whole Quarian/Geth issue. And because Tali loves her people, she will try help them, exiled or not.So, her possible absence is quite clear.

So, most likely VS and Vega are the only characters, who doesn't have that much "loose ends" outside the Normandy. Well Ashley does have sisters, so their whereabouts and safety issues might explain her possible leavings.

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KainrycKarr wrote...

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Hmmm dat evil.:wub:

Suddenly, the thought one/some of the party members will pull a Bastila and get captured from the party just to come back indoctrinated came to my mind :mellow:


Doubtful


I agree.

But wouldn't it be interesting way make bad ending. Make one of your Shep's squad members indoctrinated agent of Reapers, who would kill your Shep in some cut scene, where you have lost the game. 

That sure would show how total the war could be.

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that sucks so we have to choise multiple times who to die...

soudns to me there will be no Rainbow and roses ending where everyone lives.


Hudson and other from BW had stated numerous times that ME3 is about war. And there is never really happy endings in war.

And they have said that there would be some really emotional scenes, which now probably means some well know characters dead scenes, if you have done things wrong.

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With the N7-CE of ME3 offering an additional downloadable character (according to www.game.co.uk), then it is rather probable that he is going to be a permanent squadmember (after you will have finished his mission).
Otherwise there would be legitimate allegations because of the DLC being a ripp-off if the character was't available throughout the complete game.

Modifié par berserkerblob, 25 juin 2011 - 01:12 .


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Newart wrote...

Nightdragon8 wrote...

that sucks so we have to choise multiple times who to die...

soudns to me there will be no Rainbow and roses ending where everyone lives.


Hudson and other from BW had stated numerous times that ME3 is about war. And there is never really happy endings in war.

And they have said that there would be some really emotional scenes, which now probably means some well know characters dead scenes, if you have done things wrong.

Not everyone will survive.  That is what is stated on the Collector's Edition for ME3 online at Gamestop.  As part of the description for the game.

I fully expect for people to die.  Shepard will try to save them all, but knows she can't save them all.  These are the things in game, I want to learn in game.  We don't need to know everything.  

We all have ideas on where we think things will go.  I hope many of us are correct as well.   

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Basically BW developed the game into a wall in ME2 by allowing all squad members to die. They made so many variable for themselves to consider. So the players who lost people like Garrus and Tali are going to miss out on some interesting stuff in ME3. But some things we can be sure of like VS, Tali, Garrus, Liara, James being the main characters altho they are not there the whole time. Also we can expect a Krogan in out party(probably grunt).