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[Paul Sedgmore]

Lumikki wrote...

I am the Harbinger of your perfection wrote...

your arguement is only valid really in this scenario but even then it has its flaws
maybe if there is a cluster with no relay then perhaps they would indepedently advance with out mass relays and the other reaper based technology but im pretty sure that the reapers monitor it and even then it would take a very long time for intelligent life to form

Exactly, so they would not dismiss any race what is inside they cluster, did human race find the Mass relay or not is irrelevant, it's advance level of human race what matters. Back to orginal point..

The fact that Sovereign states "Your civilization is based on the technology of the mass relays. Our
technology. By using it, your civilization develops along the paths we
desire. We impose order on the chaos of organic life. You exist because
we allow it, and you will end because we demand it." strongly suggests that they are only interested races who use Mass Effect tech.

The reasonable assumption is that if the Reapers encounter a race that haven't used Reaper tech they would destroy them, but they don't actively seek them out as it is so mathmatically unlikely that it would be deemed a waste of reasources to do so.

[Lumikki]

I don't know what you try to do,but you seem to miss main point why Mass Relays exist.

Reapers creates Mass Relays for only one reason, make so that what ever race in galaxy would used them as travel around galaxy and not use they own FTL technology. Why?

So when Reapers comes back, they gonna close the Mass Relays, so that all world gets separated so that Reapers can easyly kill everyone in everywhere near they Mass Relays if they technology advance is higher enough. That's why Mass Relays, exist they are technology trap as making us depend on them as easy pray.

So, it doesn't matter does humans use them or not, Reapers would come there anyway.

Modifié par Lumikki, 24 juin 2011 - 05:03 .

[I am the Harbinger of your perfection]

yes but they only go after the systems which have opened the relays so they know that intelligent life exists there
but you say that species will make there own FTL but they wont because they would grap it by both hands or how many they have or what ever they use to grab things with just as the reapers desire for them to do so

[Lumikki]

I am the Harbinger of your perfection wrote...

yes but they only go after the systems which have opened the relays so they know that intelligent life exists there
but you say that species will make there own FTL but they wont because they would grap it by both hands or how many they have or what ever they use to grab things with just as the reapers desire for them to do so

Why would reapers be so dumm and do that?

That's pure assumption and leads in mistakes. Meaning that every race did fall in they trap.

Modifié par Lumikki, 24 juin 2011 - 05:09 .

[I am the Harbinger of your perfection]

Lumikki wrote...

I am the Harbinger of your perfection wrote...

yes but they only go after the systems which have opened the relays so they know that intelligent life exists there
but you say that species will make there own FTL but they wont because they would grap it by both hands or how many they have or what ever they use to grab things with just as the reapers desire for them to do so

Why would they be so dumm and do that?

That's pure assumption and leads in mistakes. Meaning that every race did fall in they trap.

i am sorry but you over estimate the will power of a species all you have to do is look at the present and pass in the me world the all the current species alive used mass relay's the protheans used mass relays and by just looking at that you can gurantee almost every species or every species used the mass relay's down to the fact that we take the easy option if its available why make things more harder when the answer to space travelling is right in front of your eyes and alos the reapers leave areas of a previous species like ruins and that froms the perfect scapegoat for the creation of the mass relays etc as they will not see the rea[ers coming

[Lumikki]

How you know that there isn't species who has FTL travel, what we don't know about?

You are making assumption based you current knowledge, that's mistake, same what reapers are making based on you viewpoint.

My point is don't allways assume that everyting goes as you design, there is allways exceptions as the unexpected.

Modifié par Lumikki, 24 juin 2011 - 05:22 .

[Sarcastic Tasha]

If a species created an alternate way to travel that was as good or better than the mass relays surely they would find other species and end up going to the Citadel. So the Reapers would know where to find them but would have a harder time reaping them because they wouldn't be reliant on the mass relays.

Considering the Reapers missed Ilos due to a lack of records I'd say they don't bother checking the whole galaxy, just the places that the Citadel has records of.

[I am the Harbinger of your perfection]

well now one knows that unless there working on this game or if they are an igc
i do agree that they can't know for certain
but also they did create or claim to create the relays and if they did then they would of placed it where organic life would be able to thrive and evolve to intelligent life
i dont know how long they have existed for but people are saying like 37 million years and in that time and that is a large time period they would have made new relays to position them from where life has evolved from and also if they havent eencountered a species using thier own FTL then they will have assumed trhat all speices would raher using the relays instead of creating thier but im not ruling out some super adavnced race will come out of no where with thier own version of an FTL and start wrecking havoc

[Lumikki]

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

If a species created an alternate way to travel that was as good or better than the mass relays surely they would find other species and end up going to the Citadel. So the Reapers would know where to find them but would have a harder time reaping them because they wouldn't be reliant on the mass relays.

Yes, but it's based assumption that the other races WANT's to have contact with other races. What if they have just watched us from distance and come to conclusion that we are too war like races to be with and seperate them self from us. Then advance in they own in they own directions.

Considering the Reapers missed Ilos due to a lack of records I'd say they don't bother checking the whole galaxy, just the places that the Citadel has records of.

Exactly, reapers are lazy, they do mistakes. They basicly checks only places they known or have learn from others.

Modifié par Lumikki, 24 juin 2011 - 05:41 .

[The Twilight God]

Schrijver wrote...

So in 2148 we discover the Mass Effect-stuff, making us an advanced race ánd a target for the Reapers who attack in 2183. After a few decades intergalactic space flight our doom is there.

If we would've waited a century or so, the Reapers could've gone killing Asari, Turians, Salarians and all, and the Reapers would ignore us because we would still be an ignorant race. And then... We could go in space and be masters for the next 50.000 years.

Hm.

There was an Iron Age species destroyed in one planet's description so one might assume that the scour the galaxy for not just space worthy species, but those that would be in space in the 50K year timeframe.

But keeping in line with your first assumption, the protheans' intervention is the problem. If the keepers had did their job the Reapers would have shown up sometime before the rachni wars (3K yrs ago?) and earth may have slipped by unnoticed. Soveriegn had been trying to activate the Citadel for quite awhile.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 24 juin 2011 - 05:40 .

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Lumikki wrote...

Sarcastic Tasha wrote...

If a species created an alternate way to travel that was as good or better than the mass relays surely they would find other species and end up going to the Citadel. So the Reapers would know where to find them but would have a harder time reaping them because they wouldn't be reliant on the mass relays.

Yes, but it's based assumption that the other races WANT's to have contact with other races. What if they have just watched us from distance and come to conclusion that we are too war like races to be with and seperate them self from us. Then advance in they own in they own directions.

Considering the Reapers missed Ilos due to a lack of records I'd say they don't bother checking the whole galaxy, just the places that the Citadel has records of.

Exactly, reapers are lazy, they do mistakes. They basicly checks only places they known or have learn from others.

True there could be xenophobic aliens that don't use mass relays and avoid other species. That would really put a spanner in the works for the Reapers. The Reapers are pretty arrogant, their trap has been working for millions of years so they don't expect anything to go wrong. Hopefully their arrogance can be used to Shepard's advantage. 

[atheelogos]

Schrijver wrote...

So in 2148 we discover the Mass Effect-stuff, making us an advanced race ánd a target for the Reapers who attack in 2183. After a few decades intergalactic space flight our doom is there.

If we would've waited a century or so, the Reapers could've gone killing Asari, Turians, Salarians and all, and the Reapers would ignore us because we would still be an ignorant race. And then... We could go in space and be masters for the next 50.000 years.

Hm.

a century? No more like 3 or 4. I doubt it would have taken that long for us to progress.

And its not so much that we have bad timing. If the Reapers would have won the Rachni wars then yes we would have been out here in space pretty much by ourselves execpt for the Quarians and a few other races.

[Peridian]

It's always possible that a species would find a dormant Mass Relay, incorporate it's technology into their own, then choose not to use it anymore for the risk of exactly what's happening now with the Reapers.

Then there was this codex entry that said that only about 1% of the Milky Way Galaxy was explored. Should we thus assume that the Reapers have built Mass Relays that have contact with the other 99%?

An interesting theory: What if the Reapers do not have such a vast range of space that is actually theirs. Maybe this is their way of slowly expanding their territory, building a large force, then traveling to a system that does not have a Mass Relay and build one. Using this method they would be able to both grow in numbers when new species develop on newly conquered planets as well as keep the chances of more advanced species that develop without the Reaper tech and of which the Reapers hold no knowledge low.

[Keedmo]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Blame the Protheans for freezing over our relay.

Then again, that might actually be the reason we didn't already get hit last time...

That's entirely my point.

Why freeze the relay? The Protheans were taken off guard when their cycle came. and the reapers would have used our relay to get to the Protheans on Mars. Unless the Protheans on Mars froze the relay after the initial citadel attack...

Citadel attacked, communication from the citadel lost from mars... Protheans on Mars find out about Reapers and freeze relay to study humans and implant them so they can be the race to stand up to the reapers?

[Sheppard-Commander]

Arcite550 wrote...

I think they would hit humanity despite that, since 50K years from that point we would be WAY further advanced than any species had gotten before... which may pose a threat to the Reapers...

You are assuming they would have even found us. According to Vigil, they use the Citadel census data as the most effecient means to root out advanced organic life in the milky way...if Humanity had not left Sol yet, there would have been no such data on us for them to find.

edit: Oh...that was from ten days ago. <_<

Modifié par Sheppard-Commander, 04 juillet 2011 - 12:31 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Even if the Reapers had wiped out all other species and ignored humanity in the latest cycle, they would have initiated another one when they were ready to harvest us, 50,000 years or no.

Modifié par Jedi Master of Orion, 04 juillet 2011 - 01:03 .

[sympathy4saren]

Fate is a ****

[sevach]

Actually humanity would have to wait at least some centuries given that the reaping is suppoused to take a few centuries.

If humans discovered the relays in say, 2341 they would run right into a big mess.

[knightnblu]

Scottish TaZeR wrote...

Then where would our game be?

Mass Effect 52183  

[Urazz]

Arcite550 wrote...

I think they would hit humanity despite that, since 50K years from that point we would be WAY further advanced than any species had gotten before... which may pose a threat to the Reapers...

Maybe, but would they wipe us out completely?  They may just bomb us to the stone age to put us behind technologically but leave our species to survive at that so as to not waste a potential new reaper in the next cycle.

Or who knows, they may not even discover us since our relay was pretty much frozen in pluto's moon.

[Jaxtar]

..Relay inactive.
If they found humans by some chance they would destroy.
If not they leave alone.
..Relay active
During invasion humans harvested.
Human activate relay after harvest .Reaper vanguard scan system regularly wait till we advance sufficiently start new harvest before 50K years.
That why they leave reaper behind to check for threat and status updates..