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[l DryIce l]

Let's compare the Illusive Man and the Shadow Broker. Both deal with information extensively. If one wanted to, for whatever reason, take the other one out, who would emerge victorious? 

I think the Shadow Broker, since she gets more varied information (not necessarily more), has a much broader view of the galaxy. While TIM may be just as good at gathering information, as the leader of Cerberus he seems to have a much narrower view of the galaxy. But maybe that's not true. TIM has a goal, whereas the Shadow Broker's only goal seems to be to survive (or at least it's only goal WAS to survive). 

In ME3, do you think this confrontation will play out, and to what degree? 

[I searched for this topic, but all I found was ancient threads asking, "Is TIM the Shadow Broker?", "Does TIM = Shadow Broker? omgomgomg"] 

[l DryIce l]

tl;dr

[Dean_the_Young]

On one hand, the Illusive Man knows where Liara lives.

On the other hand, the Illusive Man arranged the disposal of the previous Shadow Broker, who the Illusive Man did NOT know who it was, where it lived, and so on.

[FERMi27]

At first I thought these forums were more adequate than the average ones I've encountered. Seeing that people react normally to such kinds of threads like THIS one, I'm sad to admit that I've been wrong.
I think it's time for rage quit for me.

[RPGamer13]

Well, before the DLC came out I thought the Illusive Man was the Shadow Broker myself. Those threads probably go all the way back to before Lair of the Shadow Broker.

What I want to know: who's the Shadow Broker while Liara is out galavanting around with Shepard and her crew.

If you need an answer: Illusive Man has the Reapers on his side, so he's more likely to win.

[goofyomnivore]

If Cerberus has turned, I'm pretty sure Liara's base is doomed. So I don't think there will be a Shadowbroker very much longer.

[Paul Sedgmore]

strive wrote...

If Cerberus has turned, I'm pretty sure Liara's base is doomed. So I don't think there will be a Shadowbroker very much longer.

It wouldn't be that hard to move the Shadow Broker Base to another remote system which TIM didn't know about, this is the same thing TIM does himself

[Dean_the_Young]

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

strive wrote...

If Cerberus has turned, I'm pretty sure Liara's base is doomed. So I don't think there will be a Shadowbroker very much longer.

It wouldn't be that hard to move the Shadow Broker Base to another remote system which TIM didn't know about, this is the same thing TIM does himself

TIM is on a space ship.

The Shadow Broker base was custom-built on-planet to hide on a specific planet, and has no implication of even being able to get into space.

Modifié par Dean_the_Young, 24 juin 2011 - 02:39 .

[gunswordfist]

Martin Sheen beats Blue Barrymore's ass.

[gunswordfist]

Martin Sheen beats Blue Barrymore's ass.

[MasterofMunchaster]

You should change the title. this makes no sense. What does the Shadow Broker have to do with this?

Modifié par MasterofMunchaster, 24 juin 2011 - 02:42 .

[MasterofMunchaster]

RPGamer13 wrote...

Well, before the DLC came out I thought the Illusive Man was the Shadow Broker myself. Those threads probably go all the way back to before Lair of the Shadow Broker.

What I want to know: who's the Shadow Broker while Liara is out galavanting around with Shepard and her crew.

If you need an answer: Illusive Man has the Reapers on his side, so he's more likely to win.

-sigh-.. TIM is not working with the Reapers..

[kingcake777]

liara>TIM

[VegasVance]

How many Shadow Broker's have come and gone?
How many Illusive Men have?
You have my answer.

Edit: Also for gameplay reasons it wouldn't surprise me if Cerberus destroys the base.

Modifié par VegasVance, 24 juin 2011 - 03:09 .

[Barquiel]

RPGamer13 wrote...

If you need an answer: Illusive Man has the Reapers on his side, so he's more likely to win.

But the Shadow Broker has Shepard on her side

Shepard > Reapers

[l DryIce l]

MasterofMunchaster wrote...

You should change the title. this makes no sense. What does the Shadow Broker have to do with this?

What does the Shadow Broker have to do with a comparison of the Shadow Broker's and Illusive Man's power? Quite a lot I would think. 

[HTTP 404]

Shadow broker pre Liara probably has more contacts than the Illusive man. TIM has only human contacts and they can only do so much in alien space. The Shadow broker has varied aliens working for him including humans, so the SB could have people working for him all over the galaxy.

I am also betting that the Shadow Broker has deeper pockets than TIM as all the SB does is sell information, he doesn't fund a war like TIM does.

The only thing TIM has over the Shadow Broker is fanaticism

[Nashiktal]

HTTP 404 wrote...

Shadow broker pre Liara probably has more contacts than the Illusive man. TIM has only human contacts and they can only do so much in alien space. The Shadow broker has varied aliens working for him including humans, so the SB could have people working for him all over the galaxy.

I am also betting that the Shadow Broker has deeper pockets than TIM as all the SB does is sell information, he doesn't fund a war like TIM does.

The only thing TIM has over the Shadow Broker is fanaticism

Wrong. TIM has alien contacts too. Remember not everyone working for cerberus, actually knows they are working for cerberus, and he wouldn't have informants in certain places if it wasn't for alien contacts. (Like the migrant fleet)

[l DryIce l]

FERMi27 wrote...

At first I thought these forums were more adequate than the average ones I've encountered. Seeing that people react normally to such kinds of threads like THIS one, I'm sad to admit that I've been wrong.
I think it's time for rage quit for me.

What was wrong with my post? I've seen a lot of pointless threads on here, so before I made my first thread on these boards I thought long and hard about a topic that would create a lot of discussion. This confrontation, however unlikely it may seem, was interesting to me since both figures have power and use information in a similar manner. So...what the hell is your problem? 

[l DryIce l]

VegasVance wrote...

How many Shadow Broker's have come and gone?
How many Illusive Men have?
You have my answer.

Edit: Also for gameplay reasons it wouldn't surprise me if Cerberus destroys the base.

If they never confronted each other, then yes. longevity would be a major factor. I'm wondering what the outcome would be if the current Illusive Man/Shadow Broker decided that the other was interfering and needed to be stopped. 

[VegasVance]

@DryIce don't let it bother you, let's just be polite and hope the door doesn't hit his backside on the way out. Me thinks he's suffered enough butt-hurt already >

Also it wouldn't surprise me in the least bit to see Cerberus emerge as the victor over the Shadow Broker.  Cerberus is more than just an information network. 

Modifié par VegasVance, 24 juin 2011 - 03:23 .

[l DryIce l]

RPGamer13 wrote...

Well, before the DLC came out I thought the Illusive Man was the Shadow Broker myself. Those threads probably go all the way back to before Lair of the Shadow Broker.

What I want to know: who's the Shadow Broker while Liara is out galavanting around with Shepard and her crew.

If you need an answer: Illusive Man has the Reapers on his side, so he's more likely to win.

I'm sure Liara is still the Shadow Broker and that there isn't any requirement to be constantly monitoring things at the base. The Illusive Man does not have the Reapers on his side, and if you destroyed the base, he doesn't even gain Reaper technology. In fact, he probably (as the person who represents Cerberus) has more enemies that the Shadow Broker. The Shadow Broker is a figure that seems to be more feared than hated. 

[HTTP 404]

Nashiktal wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

Shadow broker pre Liara probably has more contacts than the Illusive man. TIM has only human contacts and they can only do so much in alien space. The Shadow broker has varied aliens working for him including humans, so the SB could have people working for him all over the galaxy.

I am also betting that the Shadow Broker has deeper pockets than TIM as all the SB does is sell information, he doesn't fund a war like TIM does.

The only thing TIM has over the Shadow Broker is fanaticism

Wrong. TIM has alien contacts too. Remember not everyone working for cerberus, actually knows they are working for cerberus, and he wouldn't have informants in certain places if it wasn't for alien contacts. (Like the migrant fleet)

Well I do admit being wrong about only human contacts.  I do remember TIM hiring aliens, one notably Aria , even though it was business.

but TIMs ethnocentrism is a major obstacle in getting things done.  As for the Shadow Broker, the power of money is hardly an obstacle.  Saying that TIM has alien contacts doesn't equal "how many, how trained, and where" compared to the Shadow Broker.  And like you said "Remember not everyone working for cerberus, actually knows they are working for cerberus" also doesn't mean the SB doesn't employ those that know they work for the SB.

So yes I concede my supporting fact but don't concede my point I was making.

Modifié par HTTP 404, 24 juin 2011 - 06:52 .

[SAE100]

It doesn´t matter how often the identity of the Shadowbroker shifted. Cause the new one allways got all the contacts the old one had. The network of the Shadowbroker is probably a lot larger than the one of the Illusive Man. Specially if you consider the happenings of the last novel, where TIM loses some of his sources in the Alliance and even some of his operational bases.
I also doubt that the Shadowbroker Base can´t be relocated to another planet. I mean it once was brought there, I don´t think you can build anything of that size on a planet like Hagalaz.

Besides that, the new Shadowbroker Liara has probably excess to unblocked EDI which has unlimitted access to Cerberus databases.

Oh and in a one vs one fight the old Shadowbroker as well as Liara definetly beats the squishy human.

So I think the Shadowbroker has, had and will ever have more power than the Illusive Man.

Sorry for bad english

[BatmanPWNS]

I side with TIM. SB is smart and all but I just think if TIM wanted Liara gone he could do it.