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[Canned Bullets]

Mass Effect 3 better use up 10 discs to prove how large and expansive the game will be.

[streamlock]

Canned Bullets wrote...

Mass Effect 3 better use up 10 discs to prove how large and expansive the game will be.

That is missing the point entirely.  It is about having to cut content or reduce some overall quality aspects of the product just to fit it on some pre-determined number of disks.  And the expectation and hope that the last game in the series is bigger and better then the 2nd. 

[Brenon Holmes]

We looked into an install option like the one you describe (multiple disc install, no need for disc swapping) - it was not feasible on ME2.

The way the specific platform works, you can't install a disc and then use a different one for validation. I suspect that what Castlevania may have done is have the "content" disc act like a DLC pack in that it adds on to the game somehow.

I'm not sure that would be feasible for ME3. If ME3 is multi-disc (we haven't been doing layouts yet, so no idea how many it might be) it's likely to be the same as it was for ME2.

Sorry! :happy:

(Edit: If this turns into a platform discussion, I'm going to get grumpy and lock the thread. Just a heads up.)

Modifié par Brenon Holmes, 24 juin 2011 - 07:46 .

[Dasher1010]

Brenon Holmes wrote...

We looked into an install option like the one you describe (multiple disc install, no need for disc swapping) - it was not feasible on ME2.

The way the specific platform works, you can't install a disc and then use a different one for validation. I suspect that what Castlevania may have done is have the "content" disc act like a DLC pack in that it adds on to the game somehow.

I'm not sure that would be feasible for ME3. If ME3 is multi-disc (we haven't been doing layouts yet, so no idea how many it might be) it's likely to be the same as it was for ME2.

Sorry! :happy:

(Edit: If this turns into a platform discussion, I'm going to get grumpy and lock the thread. Just a heads up.)

Then cut out content. Don't allow us to save worthless planets like Earth and get rid of characters that nobody likes anyway like Ashley and Garrus. One disc FTW.

Modifié par Dasher1010, 24 juin 2011 - 07:54 .

[LPPrince]

Oh Brenon. If only my dancing could make things work properly.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I install my games before I play them by default. It's just so much better than running them off the disk. Especially if it's a huge game like ME2, Dragon Age, Red Dead Redemption, etc. I have ZERO qualms with the idea of ME3 using 2+ disks. In fact, I do hope it happens, preferably with the new disk space upgrade from Microsoft.

[streamlock]

Brenon Holmes wrote...

We looked into an install option like the one you describe (multiple disc install, no need for disc swapping) - it was not feasible on ME2.

The way the specific platform works, you can't install a disc and then use a different one for validation. I suspect that what Castlevania may have done is have the "content" disc act like a DLC pack in that it adds on to the game somehow.

I'm not sure that would be feasible for ME3. If ME3 is multi-disc (we haven't been doing layouts yet, so no idea how many it might be) it's likely to be the same as it was for ME2.

Sorry! :happy:

(Edit: If this turns into a platform discussion, I'm going to get grumpy and lock the thread. Just a heads up.)

Doh!  Well maybe something will come up during now and then that will make it possible-here's hoping.

Modifié par streamlock, 24 juin 2011 - 08:00 .

[Paul Sedgmore]

Brenon Holmes wrote...

We looked into an install option like the one you describe (multiple disc install, no need for disc swapping) - it was not feasible on ME2.

The way the specific platform works, you can't install a disc and then use a different one for validation. I suspect that what Castlevania may have done is have the "content" disc act like a DLC pack in that it adds on to the game somehow.

I'm not sure that would be feasible for ME3. If ME3 is multi-disc (we haven't been doing layouts yet, so no idea how many it might be) it's likely to be the same as it was for ME2.

Sorry! :happy:

(Edit: If this turns into a platform discussion, I'm going to get grumpy and lock the thread. Just a heads up.)

I remember it being like that the last time I worked on a multi-disc Xbox title as well. I don't think what you have said you think Castlevainia is doing is what is happening as the Xbox treats the disc as any other game disc with the exception of the validation check. It is possible that Microsoft has changed the requirement for multi-disc games slightly.

Edit: left out an entire sentance D'oh

Modifié par Paul Sedgmore, 24 juin 2011 - 08:09 .

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Dasher1010 wrote...

Brenon Holmes wrote...

We looked into an install option like the one you describe (multiple disc install, no need for disc swapping) - it was not feasible on ME2.

The way the specific platform works, you can't install a disc and then use a different one for validation. I suspect that what Castlevania may have done is have the "content" disc act like a DLC pack in that it adds on to the game somehow.

I'm not sure that would be feasible for ME3. If ME3 is multi-disc (we haven't been doing layouts yet, so no idea how many it might be) it's likely to be the same as it was for ME2.

Sorry! :happy:

(Edit: If this turns into a platform discussion, I'm going to get grumpy and lock the thread. Just a heads up.)

Then cut out content. Don't allow us to save worthless planets like Earth and get rid of characters that nobody likes anyway like Ashley and Garrus. One disc FTW.

Are you trolling?

[Paul Sedgmore]

Cancer Puppet wrote...

If Bioware had handled disc swapping the same way as Catlevania LoS, then they would have actually been able to make the game they had wanted to. I'm talking about an expanded story for Legion, among other things. Good times. Here's hoping they remake ME in 10 years and actually change things.

They would still be restricted as not all Xbox users have the space or even a HDD to install 12+ gigs.

[Someone With Mass]

Dasher1010 wrote...

Then cut out content. Don't allow us to save worthless planets like Earth and get rid of characters that nobody likes anyway like Ashley and Garrus. One disc FTW.

Speak for yourself. 

[Someone With Mass]

Paul Sedgmore wrote...
They would still be restricted as not all Xbox users have the space or even a HDD to install 12+ gigs.

Can take a 16 GB USB. Done. Not hard at all.

[Paul Sedgmore]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Paul Sedgmore wrote...
They would still be restricted as not all Xbox users have the space or even a HDD to install 12+ gigs.

Can take a 16 GB USB. Done. Not hard at all.

True but Microsoft very rarely lets companies restrict games from basic Xboxs by requiring additional storage space.

[HTTP 404]

I think discs and moving parts will part of the past. everything will be electronic or plug in like USB ports.

anyways, rumor has it that there are new discs that can hold memory? can someone verfiy this?

if that is the case, would bioware use these discs for Me3?

[Fiery Phoenix]

If I'm not mistaken, I tried installing a game on my 16 GB USB when I first upgraded to the Slim some weeks ago. It wouldn't install. Not that I have a problem, as I already have the 250 GB HDD that comes with the Slim.

[alihou]

Why are we complaining? The more content they can fit the better... Hell make it 3 disks...There is only a certain amount of data they can store in 1 disk which = less material... The more the merrier...

[Darth Death]

Don't see why people care so much. Back in my day we were swiping 3 to 4 discs with no complaints.

Modifié par Darth Death, 24 juin 2011 - 08:29 .

[Raiil]

alihou wrote...

Why are we complaining? The more content they can fit the better... Hell make it 3 disks...There is only a certain amount of data they can store in 1 disk which = less material... The more the merrier...

Well, the two problems would be

a) constantly having to swap discs if we play in any way besides what would probably be the 'standard'. Could be annoying, although I'd take that over b:

your missions/recruitment become locked in place. This seems to have happened to ME2; characters from the second wave of recruitments have lots of dialogue for disc one recruitment missions, and for Horizon. PC players can gib around that; console users just have to deal.

I'll take both a and b over less content, but I can see where the complaints come from...

[Paul Sedgmore]

HTTP 404 wrote...

I think discs and moving parts will part of the past. everything will be electronic or plug in like USB ports.

anyways, rumor has it that there are new discs that can hold memory? can someone verfiy this?

if that is the case, would bioware use these discs for Me3?

if you are talking about the new disc format that Microsoft have been testing recently then yes they do hold more but only 1Gb taking an Xbox DVD from 6.8GB to 7.8GB

http://www.afterdawn...gb_to_game_data

Modifié par Paul Sedgmore, 24 juin 2011 - 08:48 .

[crispy1121]

Who cares if your going to have to constantly swap disks, it only takes a few seconds. ( if having more disks will make the game better then they should do it )

[Someone With Mass]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

If I'm not mistaken, I tried installing a game on my 16 GB USB when I first upgraded to the Slim some weeks ago. It wouldn't install. Not that I have a problem, as I already have the 250 GB HDD that comes with the Slim.

Then people can move 16 GB of their stuff to the USB in order to free up space. Or do as I do. Delete the crap I'm not watching or need.

[Halo Quea]

Rivercurse wrote...

CannonLars wrote...

I agree. LA Noire was three disks to avoid those problems though, so I am pretty sure the audio is rather good and they did three so they wouldn't have to compress too much. The 360 version is the same size as the PS3 one.

Not quite. The xbox version was SIX discs for a long time.  they had to do some sick compression to fit it all on 3.  I read an interview with the project lead who said that he couldnt believe that they actually got it down to 3.. The audio suffered in comparison to the PS3 release.

6 DVDs?!!  That would have made them really rotten with compression because that's more than 35GBs, more than what the PS3 could even handle.    I swear developers can be so sloppy and lazy sometimes.  

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Brenon Holmes wrote...

We looked into an install option like the one you describe (multiple disc install, no need for disc swapping) - it was not feasible on ME2.

The way the specific platform works, you can't install a disc and then use a different one for validation. I suspect that what Castlevania may have done is have the "content" disc act like a DLC pack in that it adds on to the game somehow.

I'm not sure that would be feasible for ME3. If ME3 is multi-disc (we haven't been doing layouts yet, so no idea how many it might be) it's likely to be the same as it was for ME2.

Sorry! :happy:

(Edit: If this turns into a platform discussion, I'm going to get grumpy and lock the thread. Just a heads up.)

That's fine, but I would be sorely disappointed if the disc limit had a substantial effect on the structure and/or content of the game.

I really hated that we couldn't pick our squadmates up in any order because of the Xbox's craptastic disc size. (Yes, I do have the Xbox versions and, yes, I primarily play those).


Edit: although, I honestly don't know a single person who would actually have a problem with being required to swap between 3 discs. If the pre-rendered cutscenes are compressed down to look like crap on a 50-inch plasma screen (such as the ME2 ones were) I'd be much less enthusiastic with swapping between only 2 discs.
I know the movies serve a purpose to mask loading, but going from a high-res render to a low-res movie is just distractible and annoying when you're trying to be immersed in the game. I've never seen that problem in any other game, either, so it must be fixable to an extent.

I'm also kind of concerned that with all of this "seamless loading" that Bioware's touting, that might mean they're going for even more of those movie transitions in ME3, which would mean even more space would be needed to fit them into every transition.

If every one of those movie transitions looks low-res and hazy on high-def sets (more people have high-def TVS than in 2007, btw), it really takes away from the experience imo.

Modifié par Mr. MannlyMan, 24 juin 2011 - 10:03 .

[CannonO]

Brenon Holmes wrote...

We looked into an install option like the one you describe (multiple disc install, no need for disc swapping) - it was not feasible on ME2.

The way the specific platform works, you can't install a disc and then use a different one for validation. I suspect that what Castlevania may have done is have the "content" disc act like a DLC pack in that it adds on to the game somehow.

I'm not sure that would be feasible for ME3. If ME3 is multi-disc (we haven't been doing layouts yet, so no idea how many it might be) it's likely to be the same as it was for ME2.

Sorry! :happy:

(Edit: If this turns into a platform discussion, I'm going to get grumpy and lock the thread. Just a heads up.)

Well please don't hesitate to keep adding discs if it increases the quality of all the audio, prerenders, textures, and anything else. We overall seem to agree as a forum that the quality comes first. Thanks!