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[alihou]

Valentia X wrote...

Well, the two problems would be

a) constantly having to swap discs if we play in any way besides what would probably be the 'standard'. Could be annoying, although I'd take that over b:

your missions/recruitment become locked in place. This seems to have happened to ME2; characters from the second wave of recruitments have lots of dialogue for disc one recruitment missions, and for Horizon. PC players can gib around that; console users just have to deal.

I'll take both a and b over less content, but I can see where the complaints come from...

How many times did we have to swap discs? I literally did it maybe 3 times in the entire game... That's not constantly swapping discs... Others say it ruins immersion, but then again so do loading screens... changing a disc is like "loading" essentially... I will admit that it is annoying, but it sure as heck compensates by providing us more quality in return...

[Hathur]

crispy1121 wrote...

Who cares if your going to have to constantly swap disks, it only takes a few seconds. ( if having more disks will make the game better then they should do it )

/****iness on

Gamers apparently are lazy ****** sons of bastards who loathe the thought of moving up from their seat once every few hours to change a disc. They're afraid the 5 kilojoules of energy they expend in the process will cause them arrhythmia or something.

If they're that goddamn lazy I don't know why they don't just buy a cheap gaming PC where you never need to swap discs ever when you play ME2 (or any game for that matter).

Lazy bastards.... get some goddamn exercise. <_<

/****iness off

[blacqout]

L.A. Noire was on three disks on the xbox, and it's the best game i've played since Mass Effect 2.

As long as the disk changes come at a reasonable time, it's really not an issue.

Modifié par blacqout, 24 juin 2011 - 10:38 .

[Raycer X]

I think the more appropriate thread title would be "Dont squeeze ME3 on THREE discs..." I'm just hoping ME3 will be more than 3 discs. Even though I have it pre-ordered on PC, it kind of takes me back to the old Playstation days when games would ship in 2-4+ discs.

[Captain_Obvious]

Hathur wrote...

crispy1121 wrote...

Who cares if your going to have to constantly swap disks, it only takes a few seconds. ( if having more disks will make the game better then they should do it )

/****iness on

Gamers apparently are lazy ****** sons of bastards who loathe the thought of moving up from their seat once every few hours to change a disc. They're afraid the 5 kilojoules of energy they expend in the process will cause them arrhythmia or something.

If they're that goddamn lazy I don't know why they don't just buy a cheap gaming PC where you never need to swap discs ever when you play ME2 (or any game for that matter).

Lazy bastards.... get some goddamn exercise. <_<

/****iness off

Derp. 

Seriously, the only thing I worried about was switching disks in the 360 when it was on, because if you bump it while a disk is spinning, the disk will be ruined.  I don't know if they fixed that in the new 360s, though.

[Hathur]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

Hathur wrote...

crispy1121 wrote...

Who cares if your going to have to constantly swap disks, it only takes a few seconds. ( if having more disks will make the game better then they should do it )

/****iness on

Gamers apparently are lazy ****** sons of bastards who loathe the thought of moving up from their seat once every few hours to change a disc. They're afraid the 5 kilojoules of energy they expend in the process will cause them arrhythmia or something.

If they're that goddamn lazy I don't know why they don't just buy a cheap gaming PC where you never need to swap discs ever when you play ME2 (or any game for that matter).

Lazy bastards.... get some goddamn exercise. <_<

/****iness off

Derp. 

Seriously, the only thing I worried about was switching disks in the 360 when it was on, because if you bump it while a disk is spinning, the disk will be ruined.  I don't know if they fixed that in the new 360s, though.

Jesus.. as a non console gamer I'm.. shocked.. to hear that... that's some shoddy engineering... kicked my PC on accident while it was in the middle of burning a DVD, not so much as s scratch (burn process got interrupted, but disc was undamaged)... another time my cat knocked over my computer while I was watching a DVD movie on it... not so much as a scratch (movie stopped... resumed just fine after standing computer back up)

The hell sort of DVD drives is Microsoft putting in their consoles? I paid 25 dollars for mine 

Modifié par Hathur, 24 juin 2011 - 10:48 .

[WidowMaker9394]

I'm fine with several discs. I sit pretty close to my Xbox anyways.

[Someone With Mass]

That must be the worst excuse for not wanting to lift your fat ass and push a few buttons I've ever heard of in my entire life.

"Uaaah, it breaks immersion!"

What, you don't want to be reminded that you're playing a game? Well, then you fail the second you turn the game on.

Also, guess what you're doing when you want to play another game.

Oh, that's right. YOU'RE SWITCHING OUT THE DAMN DISC!

There's no difference with having to switch discs mid-game.

[Captain_Obvious]

Hathur wrote...

Jesus.. as a non console gamer I'm.. shocked.. to hear that... that's some shoddy engineering... kicked my PC on accident while it was in the middle of burning a DVD, not so much as s scratch (burn process got interrupted, but disc was undamaged)... another time my cat knocked over my computer while I was watching a DVD movie on it... not so much as a scratch (movie stopped... resumed just fine after standing computer back up)

The hell sort of DVD drives is Microsoft putting in their consoles? I paid 25 dollars for mine 

Apparently they skimped on the entire hardware system.  Remember the 33% initial failure rate for the 360?  Oh, the Red Ring of Death, how I remember thee.  I've had several friends who lost games because of "bumping" the 360 while it was powered on with a disk in it.  I treat my 360 with teeny-tiny kid gloves.  It's lasted, thank Andraste. 

[streamlock]

Raycer X wrote...

I think the more appropriate thread title would be "Dont squeeze ME3 on THREE discs..." I'm just hoping ME3 will be more than 3 discs. Even though I have it pre-ordered on PC, it kind of takes me back to the old Playstation days when games would ship in 2-4+ discs.

I had thought about that, but I kinda wanted to point to the fact that ME2 got the squeeze so as to fit on two disks, and titled it two discs for a bit of historical reference.  /shrug

[Keedmo]

changing discs takes a total of what? 7-10 seconds... are some people that lazy? If anything Bioware, please ADD disks if you have to. The more content, the better

[KreeCapt]

Son of Illusive Man wrote...

Wait, is there a way to install ME2 on your hard drive? I have never tried, but I assumed it might not be possible with two disks.

If you have an XBOX, insert the Disc, Hit Y and it gives you the option to download on Hard drive, but you still have to have the disc in when you play, Just runs a bit faster and load screens are real short.

[Homebound]

Dear Mass effect team,
please dont put your entire game in a demo.

[NYG1991]

KreeCapt wrote...

Son of Illusive Man wrote...

Wait, is there a way to install ME2 on your hard drive? I have never tried, but I assumed it might not be possible with two disks.

If you have an XBOX, insert the Disc, Hit Y and it gives you the option to download on Hard drive, but you still have to have the disc in when you play, Just runs a bit faster and load screens are real short.

The system runs quieter when it's reading from the HD.

Although it's highly unlikely, it'd be cool if we could download from games on demand upon release. I think XBL has a limitation on size though

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

In case nobody else has said this... My Xbox 360 has 9.9 GB free on its hard drive. For the sake of comparison, the Neverwinter Nights folder on my computer is 11.7 GB. Granted, I've downloaded some things for it, but NWN is still quite a few years older than Mass Effect.

In other words, while it would be nice to be able to install it, it would be highly impractical on the 360.

Modifié par Neverwinter_Knight77, 25 juin 2011 - 02:16 .

[crimzontearz]

Brenon Holmes wrote...

We looked into an install option like the one you describe (multiple disc install, no need for disc swapping) - it was not feasible on ME2.

The way the specific platform works, you can't install a disc and then use a different one for validation. I suspect that what Castlevania may have done is have the "content" disc act like a DLC pack in that it adds on to the game somehow.

I'm not sure that would be feasible for ME3. If ME3 is multi-disc (we haven't been doing layouts yet, so no idea how many it might be) it's likely to be the same as it was for ME2.

Sorry! :happy:

(Edit: If this turns into a platform discussion, I'm going to get grumpy and lock the thread. Just a heads up.)

Brenon the problem here is not the swapping

the problem here is that the swapping caused some of the best parts of ME2 to be cut out from the mainstream game (and re-discovered through mods unavailable to consoles) because of it since you could not recruit your team members in the order you wanted

I believe as long as that problem is not in ME 3 we are all good to go

and please, can we NOT have mission that are forced (time wise) upon us? that caused a lot of issues with ME2

[Mann42]

I don't really care about installs.

I just don't want them to cut things just to make the game fit onto less discs or reduce disc swapping. I also don't want them making significant flow decisions just because they don't want me to swap discs more than twice (I'm looking at you 4 recruit missions followed by Horizon -> Bam! 2nd disc). It was obvious and it made me sad. 

Modifié par nexworks, 25 juin 2011 - 02:32 .

[Mr. MannlyMan]

nexworks wrote...

I don't really care about installs.

I just don't want them to cut things just to make the game fit onto less discs or reduce disc swapping. I also don't want them making significant flow decisions just because they don't want me to swap discs more than twice (I'm looking at you 4 recruit missions followed by Horizon -> Bam! 2nd disc). It was obvious and it made me sad. 

This.

But I wish to God that EA would put some pressure on Microsoft to allow for installs where disc-swapping is not required. I mean, it's probably one of the big reasons that many multi-plat gamers went for the PS3 version of LA:N instead of the 360 version, so it's not like it's an insignificant issue that's only being brought up by Bioware.

Games are getting larger, more expansive, and Microsoft had better damn well adapt to the industry. To us gamers, this kind of bureacratic bull**** is just frustrating.

I really hope that Bioware/EA pushes this issue further.

Modifié par Mr. MannlyMan, 25 juin 2011 - 02:42 .

[comrade8472]

wouldn't mind having 12 discs...

Quallity First
Game content First

more & BEST (that's what I want for ME3)


$$$$ last

[alihou]

comrade8472 wrote...

wouldn't mind having 12 discs...

Quallity First
Game content First

more & BEST (that's what I want for ME3)


$$$$ last

yes yes YES!!!!
As long as I get more, I couldn't care less how many discs it is... this discussion is really silly... Why are some complaining for getting more content but on more CD's ...It's a wonderful tradeoff!

[deuce985]

Just fyi, they have a new compression technique and now more DvD space has also been opened for 360 games since ME2 came out. Bioware has a lot more room to work with now. I suspect it will be bigger than ME2 but also on 2 DvDs still.

[HTTP 404]

Paul Sedgmore wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

I think discs and moving parts will part of the past. everything will be electronic or plug in like USB ports.

anyways, rumor has it that there are new discs that can hold memory? can someone verfiy this?

if that is the case, would bioware use these discs for Me3?

if you are talking about the new disc format that Microsoft have been testing recently then yes they do hold more but only 1Gb taking an Xbox DVD from 6.8GB to 7.8GB

http://www.afterdawn...gb_to_game_data

ah thanks, 1 gig more isn't a whole lot but its something.

[VirtualStranger]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

nexworks wrote...

I don't really care about installs.

I just don't want them to cut things just to make the game fit onto less discs or reduce disc swapping. I also don't want them making significant flow decisions just because they don't want me to swap discs more than twice (I'm looking at you 4 recruit missions followed by Horizon -> Bam! 2nd disc). It was obvious and it made me sad. 

This.

But I wish to God that EA would put some pressure on Microsoft to allow for installs where disc-swapping is not required. I mean, it's probably one of the big reasons that many multi-plat gamers went for the PS3 version of LA:N instead of the 360 version, so it's not like it's an insignificant issue that's only being brought up by Bioware.

Games are getting larger, more expansive, and Microsoft had better damn well adapt to the industry. To us gamers, this kind of bureacratic bull**** is just frustrating.

I really hope that Bioware/EA pushes this issue further.

Take a page out of Forza 3's book and have all of the extra, non-essential content on an installable 2nd disk.

[JP6400]

Rivercurse wrote...

I couldn't care less if ME3 comes on 3-4 discs and requires 3-4 changes throughout the game. Just don't over compress stuff just to cut the number of discs down please. That's what LA:N did on 360 to get it down to 3 discs, and the audio quality suffered.

I totally agree with you.  I don't care about the number of disks as long as the game is good.