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[atheelogos]

Nerevar-as wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

The Quarian/Geth conflict will apparently be one of the earlier missions. This means that if we can get the Quarians and Geth to team up then they will not only be able to get all of the Quarian civillians to safety, but will have the rest of the game to prepare the Migrant Fleet and Geth fleet for war. The Geth fleet we saw in ME1 was just 5% of the Geth population, and who knows what ships or technology the Quarians might have left on their homeworld.

When the time comes to retake Earth the Migrant/Geth combined fleet could be the most powerful force on your side. Combine that with the Turian, Asari and Salarian fleets and the Rachni and the chances of winning don't look so slim afterall.

On the other side, if Legion was given to Cerberus or his LM left undone, we should expect the whole Geth race to team up with the Reapers. So the situation can get even worse for some people.

If they used the virus against them then yes... Damn that would suck... lol

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

To answer the OP's question, Yes yes they can.

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 25 juin 2011 - 04:49 .

[jbblue05]

Of course they can their is no way in hell to beat the Reapers by conventional means.

Dreadnoughts won't do crap against Reapers because the Reapers are very agile for their size, plus they have this anti-dreadnought weapon that we've never seen in action before and I'm sure we're in for a lot more nasty suprises from the Reapers.

The MAC gun will save us all

Modifié par jbblue05, 25 juin 2011 - 04:56 .

[Chuvvy]

Why do people assume the migrant fleet is full of fighters? They're 300 years old and falling apart Tali even says so. Any way no, the reapers would decimate them. Did you see the fleet behind Harbinger? That was bigger than anything we've seen yet and those are all as strong as Sovereign, presumably.

[SalsaDMA]

jamesp81 wrote...

I am increasingly wondering if the attack on Earth will take on a "Pearl Harbor" type flavor.

Consider that carriers aren't considered by many to be serious warships. The US admiralty felt the same way before WW2.

Consider that the Alliance apparently parked a large fleet in orbit of Earth. Just like the US parked the bulk of its fleet in Pearl Harbor.

Consider that the Alliance, as of ME3, has 8 dreadnoughts. Just as the US had 8 battleships parked in Pearl Harbor on Dec 7 1941. The Earth fleet gets decimated in the opening Reaper attack, just as the US fleet was mostly destroyed by the Japanese surprise attack. It's possible the Alliance's carriers are not at Earth and survive the opening attack, just as US carriers were not present for Pearl Harbor at the outset of WW2.

Doing so would be counter to the very doctrine the alliance conducts warfare by. According to their doctrine, they should hit FTL at first contact to regroup with proper intel and a proper response strength.

Heck, one of the reasons why colonies are distrustfull of the alliance is precisely because of the doctrine that lets world get conquered with only token resistance, while the fleet regroups for a proper response. Abandonding their doctrine just because earth gets attacked would be silly, as their entire warmachine is dependant on it and built for this kind of tactics.

I would consider it gross neglect of their own lore if any of the writers actually did let the Alliance fleet ignore their own doctrine. I have yet to see a neglect of that magnitude from them.

[The Spamming Troll]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

To answer the OP's question, Yes yes they can.

no they cant. itd be like comparing micheal jordan to your local high schools middle school player.


you guys are severely underestimating the reapers. this isnt there first time destroying every living thing in the entire galaxy. large armadas might slow down the invasion, but stop them, i think not.

[Ianamus]

atheelogos wrote...

Hell just watch the E3 gameplay. They hit one of the smaller Reapers and it just got back up.

Everybody says that it was the migrant fleet in the demo but I have no idea why. I watched that video ten times but all I could ever make out was "I have the entire fleet in orbit" or something along those lines.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

To answer the OP's question, Yes yes they can.

no they cant. itd be like comparing micheal jordan to your local high schools middle school player.


you guys are severely underestimating the reapers. this isnt there first time destroying every living thing in the entire galaxy. large armadas might slow down the invasion, but stop them, i think not.

The OP asked if the Reapers could stand up to the Quarian/Turian fleets.

My answer was yes the Reapers could indeed stand up to them.

[SalsaDMA]

Slidell505 wrote...

Why do people assume the migrant fleet is full of fighters? They're 300 years old and falling apart Tali even says so. Any way no, the reapers would decimate them. Did you see the fleet behind Harbinger? That was bigger than anything we've seen yet and those are all as strong as Sovereign, presumably.

Sovereign didn't exactly participate much in the combat in the battle fo the citadel. The geth fleet took most of the brunt of actual combat while Sovereign just speeded along into the citadel and hid under the arms that closed behind it.

Why are people ignoring this fact when commenting ont he battle of the citadel? The heretics were the ones that did most of the killing and dying. Sovereign didn't do any actuall battle (aside ramming through a ship) untill Shepard opened up the arms again, and even then it was still just acting like a sitting duck taking hits to the shields only throwing out an ocasional beam.

Looking at a video on youtube about the battle, I can only see 3 confirmed kills by Sovereign. 1 by ramming, 2 by beaming after the arms open again. Otherwise Sovereign just sat there and took the shots "like a man" most of the battle.

The heretics did most of the actual damage to citadel/alliance fleet in the battle.

[The Spamming Troll]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

To answer the OP's question, Yes yes they can.

no they cant. itd be like comparing micheal jordan to your local high schools middle school player.


you guys are severely underestimating the reapers. this isnt there first time destroying every living thing in the entire galaxy. large armadas might slow down the invasion, but stop them, i think not.

The OP asked if the Reapers could stand up to the Quarian/Turian fleets.

My answer was yes the Reapers could indeed stand up to them.

well then i guess well have to agree to agree.

[FrozenShadow]

To answer OP question, Migrant fleet/Turian armada will have no change at all against Reapers by themselves.

Even the whole combined forces of the every Galactic races will have hard time to win against Reapers. The will be a lot of deaths.

[GuiltySource]

If ME3 ends the way the SM can end, with all your crew and team intact and no losses. I'll be disappointed. I fully expect to loose half the Galaxy taking down the Reapers.

[GuiltySource]

Double post.

Modifié par GuiltySource, 25 juin 2011 - 06:02 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

As has been said, the Migrant Fleet, while exceptionally large, doesn't have the necessary firepower as their ships are rusty and most of the material on them is recycled or left as is. They would of course be able to help, but I wouldn't consider them an especially capable force with their current equipment. The Turian Armada sounds like something we could definitely use, though. But no matter our allies, I doubt the Reapers could be beaten through purely conventional means.

[Someone With Mass]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

As has been said, the Migrant Fleet, while exceptionally large, doesn't have the necessary firepower as their ships are rusty and most of the material on them is recycled or left as is. They would of course be able to help, but I wouldn't consider them an especially capable force with their current equipment. The Turian Armada sounds like something we could definitely use, though. But no matter our allies, I doubt the Reapers could be beaten through purely conventional means.

Especially when the whole Alliance fleet was destroyed with minimal effort from the Reapers.

[Han Shot First]

jamesp81 wrote...

I am increasingly wondering if the attack on Earth will take on a "Pearl Harbor" type flavor.

Consider that carriers aren't considered by many to be serious warships. The US admiralty felt the same way before WW2.

Consider that the Alliance apparently parked a large fleet in orbit of Earth. Just like the US parked the bulk of its fleet in Pearl Harbor.

Consider that the Alliance, as of ME3, has 8 dreadnoughts. Just as the US had 8 battleships parked in Pearl Harbor on Dec 7 1941. The Earth fleet gets decimated in the opening Reaper attack, just as the US fleet was mostly destroyed by the Japanese surprise attack. It's possible the Alliance's carriers are not at Earth and survive the opening attack, just as US carriers were not present for Pearl Harbor at the outset of WW2.

Interesting.

I wonder if the final battle would take inspiration from the Battle of Midway then.

[Nerevar-as]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Sovereign didn't exactly participate much in the combat in the battle fo the citadel. The geth fleet took most of the brunt of actual combat while Sovereign just speeded along into the citadel and hid under the arms that closed behind it.

Why are people ignoring this fact when commenting ont he battle of the citadel? The heretics were the ones that did most of the killing and dying. Sovereign didn't do any actuall battle (aside ramming through a ship) untill Shepard opened up the arms again, and even then it was still just acting like a sitting duck taking hits to the shields only throwing out an ocasional beam.

Looking at a video on youtube about the battle, I can only see 3 confirmed kills by Sovereign. 1 by ramming, 2 by beaming after the arms open again. Otherwise Sovereign just sat there and took the shots "like a man" most of the battle.

The heretics did most of the actual damage to citadel/alliance fleet in the battle.

Exactly. All the debris around Sovereign was caused by himself alone. The Alliance only lost 8 cruisers to get there (if you saved the DA), yet Sovereign was undamaged after several minutes getting hit with everything the Alliance fleet could throw at him, and destroying several ships. Now think what several Reapers coordinated and with free flight could do.

[DCarter]

VegasVance wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

I am increasingly wondering if the attack on Earth will take on a "Pearl Harbor" type flavor.

Consider that carriers aren't considered by many to be serious warships. The US admiralty felt the same way before WW2.

Consider that the Alliance apparently parked a large fleet in orbit of Earth. Just like the US parked the bulk of its fleet in Pearl Harbor.

Consider that the Alliance, as of ME3, has 8 dreadnoughts. Just as the US had 8 battleships parked in Pearl Harbor on Dec 7 1941. The Earth fleet gets decimated in the opening Reaper attack, just as the US fleet was mostly destroyed by the Japanese surprise attack. It's possible the Alliance's carriers are not at Earth and survive the opening attack, just as US carriers were not present for Pearl Harbor at the outset of WW2.

^This, plus the "Sleeping Giant" reference to the Alliance in ME1

Also even "if" the Quarians and Geth get along, the war is already here, and that isn't when you want to start building your fleets.

Sharp spot. When you add that all up it seems like a pretty strong hint.

We have no idea of the timescale of ME3. I suspect it could be several years, it supposedly took several centuries to finish off the protheans so i'm sure they couldn't simultaenously kill off the production capabilities of all the majour players in one strike. Once the enorminity of the reaper is fully realised i'm sure serviving races will convert to a full war economy and step up production massively. Not to mention the accelerated R&D times normally ascociated with large scale warfare and the fleets that finally confront the repaers could be raically larger and more advanced than what exists beforehand. 

Modifié par DCarter, 25 juin 2011 - 06:59 .

[Foryou]

The odds for them vs the reapers is the same odds for a chocolate bar vs. a fat american 5 year old...

[atheelogos]

EJ107 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Hell just watch the E3 gameplay. They hit one of the smaller Reapers and it just got back up.

Everybody says that it was the migrant fleet in the demo but I have no idea why. I watched that video ten times but all I could ever make out was "I have the entire fleet in orbit" or something along those lines.

It makes sense seeing as the Quarians are trying to take back their world, so it stands to reason that there are only two fleets that could be in orbit. Its either the Geth or their Creators. Process of elimination my friend.

1:20 into the vid. "We've got the whole Quarian fleet waiting in orbit!"
www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par atheelogos, 25 juin 2011 - 09:27 .

[atheelogos]

DCarter wrote...

VegasVance wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

I am increasingly wondering if the attack on Earth will take on a "Pearl Harbor" type flavor.

Consider that carriers aren't considered by many to be serious warships. The US admiralty felt the same way before WW2.

Consider that the Alliance apparently parked a large fleet in orbit of Earth. Just like the US parked the bulk of its fleet in Pearl Harbor.

Consider that the Alliance, as of ME3, has 8 dreadnoughts. Just as the US had 8 battleships parked in Pearl Harbor on Dec 7 1941. The Earth fleet gets decimated in the opening Reaper attack, just as the US fleet was mostly destroyed by the Japanese surprise attack. It's possible the Alliance's carriers are not at Earth and survive the opening attack, just as US carriers were not present for Pearl Harbor at the outset of WW2.

^This, plus the "Sleeping Giant" reference to the Alliance in ME1

Also even "if" the Quarians and Geth get along, the war is already here, and that isn't when you want to start building your fleets.

Sharp spot. When you add that all up it seems like a pretty strong hint.

We have no idea of the timescale of ME3. I suspect it could be several years, it supposedly took several centuries to finish off the protheans so i'm sure they couldn't simultaenously kill off the production capabilities of all the majour players in one strike. Once the enorminity of the reaper is fully realised i'm sure serviving races will convert to a full war economy and step up production massively. Not to mention the accelerated R&D times normally ascociated with large scale warfare and the fleets that finally confront the repaers could be raically larger and more advanced than what exists beforehand. 

Dude your missing the point. The Reapers have dealt with direct attacks for hudreds of millions of years. Our technology cannot stand to theirs in a straight fight. Doesn't matter how many ships we have. There must be another way.

"i'm sure they couldn't simultaenously kill off the production capabilities of all the majour players in one strike" Sure they can. All they really have to do is take the Citadel and shutdown the relay network.

Modifié par atheelogos, 25 juin 2011 - 09:50 .

[LPPrince]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

rft wrote...

With every single allied fleet in Mass Effect combined (Alliance fleet, Turian "armada", Migrant Fleet, etc) I'd say that they would only be able to take down a couple reapers. That is unless the allied races find a weakness to the reapers or shepard finds a way to disable them.

Humans - EARTH!
Krogans - FIRE!
Quarians - WIND!
Asari - WATER!
Turians - HEART!

GOOOOOO PLANET!

THE POWER IS YOURS!

This is why sigs need to be bigger.

[Medhia Nox]

Are we shown the Migrant Fleet is "old and rusty" or are we told by the Quarians that this is so?

What we are told - is that non-Quarians are almost never allowed within close range of the Migrant Fleet. This is the huge issue with Cerberus trying to gain the access codes to the Migrant Fleet. Little is known by the other races.

We also know that the Quarians designed the Geth and are known as the best engineers the universe can provide (though calibration seems to fall in the hands of the Turians, or maybe just Garrus). They're also the only race that is capable of sustaining a mobile population - which suggests some pretty significant tech that other races might not have available. While these aren't military - it could hint at possible military applications we're not aware of.

Lastly - we don't know the true size of the Migrant Fleet. The Codex even mentions that several ships split from the fleet only to rejoin them later. While I would imagine that the bulk of remaining warships would remain with the Fleet - that isn't necessarily so.

====

Doesn't really matter to me - I stand by my opinion that Shepard made the killing stroke in ME 1. The Reapers are just in the process of failing very slowly - and are too arrogant to realize the Cycle is broken (that, or they simply can't compute the possibility of irrational organic life out thinking their superior logic engine "brains")

[Ianamus]

atheelogos wrote...

EJ107 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Hell just watch the E3 gameplay. They hit one of the smaller Reapers and it just got back up.

Everybody says that it was the migrant fleet in the demo but I have no idea why. I watched that video ten times but all I could ever make out was "I have the entire fleet in orbit" or something along those lines.

It makes sense seeing as the Quarians are trying to take back their world, so it stands to reason that there are only two fleets that could be in orbit. Its either the Geth or their Creators. Process of elimination my friend.

1:20 into the vid. "We've got the whole Quarian fleet waiting in orbit!"
www.youtube.com/watch

Aha, I see it now. Thanks!

So that is the Quarian homeworld. The fact that they appear to be working with the Geth to destroy a reaper base is a good sign