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[KotorEffect3]

I think it is rediculous when people expect DLC to be free. The only exception to that being stuff they didn't have time to put into the game before release and they give you that DLC soon after release (zaeed and shale).

[SNascimento]

Well, all the major DLCs (exept Arrival) have already been sold with huge discounts I guess... you missed them.
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And the answer for this is obvious, you don't pay so you don't play. And in ME3 it will assume you did.

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

From what I recall the only one they've said Shepard deals with no matter what is Arrival. I THINK FOR LOTSB THEY ARE HAVING IT THAT LIARA DID IT ON HER OWN.

You are still wrong.  LOTSB happened no matter what.

Erm, no I am not, you clearly have a hard time reading a post properly.

As for why I said that, probably because one of the devs commented on the fact LotSB was going to be handled differently (I forgot which one)

I see you still like to throw out insults and lotsb happened no matter what.

*sighs* Actually I pity you, because it is clear that reading isn't one of your strongest skills. If it makes it any easier I've capped and bolded the parts where I make your repeated 'LOTSB happened no matter what' comment a complete and utter pointless rebuke to make.

[KotorEffect3]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

From what I recall the only one they've said Shepard deals with no matter what is Arrival. I THINK FOR LOTSB THEY ARE HAVING IT THAT LIARA DID IT ON HER OWN.

You are still wrong.  LOTSB happened no matter what.

Erm, no I am not, you clearly have a hard time reading a post properly.

As for why I said that, probably because one of the devs commented on the fact LotSB was going to be handled differently (I forgot which one)

I see you still like to throw out insults and lotsb happened no matter what.

*sighs* Actually I pity you, because it is clear that reading isn't one of your strongest skills. If it makes it any easier I've capped and bolded the parts where I make your repeated 'LOTSB happened no matter what' comment a complete and utter pointless rebuke to make.

You see we could have an actual conversation if you weren't a dick.  And if you can show me a source where the devs will say liara did lotsb without you if you don't play it then I will believe you. 

[the_one_54321]

Really, guys? Really?

[Halfdan The Menace]

I didnt play Arrival,it's pointless even if you go Paragon,many innocent batarians still dead.I hope there is no batarian children casualties.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Zaeed? Kasumi? Liara becoming the [spoiler here]? Arrival?

I didn't play any of these. I'm never going to play any of these until they start handing them out for free or in a big package deal. So what happens to my game at the start of ME3? One of these was even apparently critical to the beginnig narative of ME3.

Lair of the Shadow Broker and Arrival are considered to have happened to Shepard even if you didn't play them. Simple as that.

From what I recall the only one they've said Shepard deals with no matter what is Arrival. I think for LotSB they are having it that Liara did it on her own.

lmao, that figures... I have every DLC... BUT Arrival. =/

[KotorEffect3]

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...

I didnt play Arrival,it's pointless even if you go Paragon,many innocent batarians still dead.I hope there is no batarian children casualties.

Would you rather see them turned into husks (or in their case cannibals)?  Those batarians were dead no matter what happened.  Since the reapers were only minutes away and I doubt they would have just ignored the batarians in the system.

[the_one_54321]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...
I didnt play Arrival,it's pointless even if you go Paragon,many innocent batarians still dead.I hope there is no batarian children casualties.

Would you rather see them turned into husks (or in their case cannibals)?  Those batarians were dead no matter what happened.  Since the reapers were only minutes away and I doubt they would have just ignored the batarians in the system.

The difference is who does it to them. And also who profits from the act.

[KotorEffect3]

the_one_54321 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...
I didnt play Arrival,it's pointless even if you go Paragon,many innocent batarians still dead.I hope there is no batarian children casualties.

Would you rather see them turned into husks (or in their case cannibals)?  Those batarians were dead no matter what happened.  Since the reapers were only minutes away and I doubt they would have just ignored the batarians in the system.

The difference is who does it to them. And also who profits from the act.

Shepard didn't blowup the relay to kill the batarians he blew up the relay to stall the reapers and buy the rest of the galaxy time.  Killing those batarians was just an unavoidable consequence.  There is really no point into not blowing up that relay so if that were a choice that we be pointless and stupid choice.  "Oh let's condemn the rest of the galaxy so I can soothe my concious"  Trust me I usualy play paragon but this one is a no brainer you HAVE to blow up the relay.

[Halfdan The Menace]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

ModestmeNTaLmogul wrote...
I didnt play Arrival,it's pointless even if you go Paragon,many innocent batarians still dead.I hope there is no batarian children casualties.

Would you rather see them turned into husks (or in their case cannibals)?  Those batarians were dead no matter what happened.  Since the reapers were only minutes away and I doubt they would have just ignored the batarians in the system.

The difference is who does it to them. And also who profits from the act.

Shepard didn't blowup the relay to kill the batarians he blew up the relay to stall the reapers and buy the rest of the galaxy time.  Killing those batarians was just an unavoidable consequence.  There is really no point into not blowing up that relay so if that were a choice that we be pointless and stupid choice.  "Oh let's condemn the rest of the galaxy so I can soothe my concious"  Trust me I usualy play paragon but this one is a no brainer you HAVE to blow up the relay.

Looks like I have no choice but to blow up the relay.The galaxy is more important than 300,000 batarians.
 

[the_one_54321]

Then you killed the Bataarians.

Here's the thing with the whole "good of the many outweighs the good of the few or the one," the few or the one need to volunteer for it to be true. Otherwise you're just a murderer who benefits yourself or some others.

You say "they were going to end up dead or worse anyway." So the end has no difference to them. But the end has a difference to you, because either the Reapers kill them or you kill them. You choose who.

[KotorEffect3]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Then you killed the Bataarians.

Here's the thing with the whole "good of the many outweighs the good of the few or the one," the few or the one need to volunteer for it to be true. Otherwise you're just a murderer who benefits yourself or some others.

You say "they were going to end up dead or worse anyway." So the end has no difference to them. But the end has a difference to you, because either the Reapers kill them or you kill them. You choose who.

You will probably have to make even harder decisions and bigger sacrifices in ME 3 regarding entire civilizations to stop the reapers.  I hope your shepard is ready to make the tough call for the sake of the galaxy.

[the_one_54321]

Tough calls are tough calls because sometimes people die as a result. The defining element of those decisions is who "pulls the trigger" so-to-speak. If someone volunteers for a suicide mission, or enlists to go into a battle, it's an entirely different scenario than you choosing to "sacrifice" someone against their will.

[KotorEffect3]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

From what I recall the only one they've said Shepard deals with no matter what is Arrival. I THINK FOR LOTSB THEY ARE HAVING IT THAT LIARA DID IT ON HER OWN.

You are still wrong.  LOTSB happened no matter what.

Erm, no I am not, you clearly have a hard time reading a post properly.

As for why I said that, probably because one of the devs commented on the fact LotSB was going to be handled differently (I forgot which one)

I see you still like to throw out insults and lotsb happened no matter what.

*sighs* Actually I pity you, because it is clear that reading isn't one of your strongest skills. If it makes it any easier I've capped and bolded the parts where I make your repeated 'LOTSB happened no matter what' comment a complete and utter pointless rebuke to make.

Oh and attacking my reading comprehension skills is not the best way to get me to listen to your argument.  Typicaly when people are dicks like you are I don't even acknowledge the rest of their argument because they don't deserve it, if you want me to take you seriously than make your case and show me where the dev said lotsb will be handled differently if you didn't play it without being a dick about it.

[KotorEffect3]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Tough calls are tough calls because sometimes people die as a result. The defining element of those decisions is who "pulls the trigger" so-to-speak. If someone volunteers for a suicide mission, or enlists to go into a battle, it's an entirely different scenario than you choosing to "sacrifice" someone against their will.

You could argue you are sacrificing the rest of the galaxy against their will if you don't blowup that relay.  Sometimes inaction can condemn people to death just as easily as action can.  Their are trillions of lives at stake not just 300k batarians.

[the_one_54321]

KotorEffect3 wrote...
You could argue you are sacrificing the rest of the galaxy against their will if you don't blowup that relay.  Sometimes inaction can condemn people to death just as easily as action can.  Their are trillions of lives at stake not just 300k batarians.

No, I'm not doing anything to the rest of the gallaxy. The Reapers are. You can't blame me for their actions just because I chose not to be murderer.

[KotorEffect3]

the_one_54321 wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...
You could argue you are sacrificing the rest of the galaxy against their will if you don't blowup that relay.  Sometimes inaction can condemn people to death just as easily as action can.  Their are trillions of lives at stake not just 300k batarians.

No, I'm not doing anything to the rest of the gallaxy. The Reapers are. You can't blame me for their actions just because I chose not to be murderer.

lol I am glad you are not protecting me.  What a convenient way to not take responsibility when it is within your power to prevent something.  That is like saying "even though I could have stopped that terrorist I didn't because I didn't want to hurt anyone in the process,  all those he killed wasn't my fault even though I could have stopped it".

[the_one_54321]

It's within your power to murder 300k people and benefit from it.

[Praetor Knight]

Nitpicky, but I thought it was closer to 90,000+ Batarians and over 215,000+ individuals classified as "other" (most likely, at least half of those classified as "other" are non-Batarians).


http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Bahak

[Sylvius the Mad]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Lair of the Shadow Broker and Arrival are considered to have happened to Shepard even if you didn't play them.

This is appalling.  If I have an in-character reason for not doing them, what then?  Is my character simply not permitted?

[Homebound]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Nitpicky, but I thought it was closer to 90,000+ Batarians and over 215,000+ individuals classified as "other" (most likely, at least half of those classified as "other" are non-Batarians).


http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Bahak

this is unacceptable. I need to kill more batarians.

[KotorEffect3]

the_one_54321 wrote...

It's within your power to murder 300k people and benefit from it.

How does Shepard profit from it?  He is put on trial.  You are telling me if you were in that situation you would have allowed the reapers to use the relay and end up killing or enslaving the batarians anyway just to soothe your councious just so you could say "well it wasn't me"

[TCBC_Freak]

To me not buying DLC is like the people (like my aunt) who refused (and maybe still refuse like my aunt) to buy DVDs and stayed with VHS (or even cassette tapes over CDs, or hell even 8trakes over cassettes).

DLC is the natural evolution of the full box expansions, they are cheaper for the devs to make and cheaper for us to buy (look at the full game of Kane and Lynch 2 which was 4 hours long and cost 60 bucks; yet all the story DLC for ME 2 maybe comes to the same [much less if you got it on sale or free even] and is well over 10 hours if you play it right), they can be put out faster and don't take up space on your shelf, lol. It's not a terrible thing, you aren't dumb or anything and I'm not attacking you; but the truth is your stubbornness is causing you to miss out on some awesome stuff (just like my aunt who is constantly missing out on new films because they don't come out on VHS).

Just wanted to drop my two cents because I am bored, take it or leave it.