286 réponses à ce sujet

[the_one_54321]

Imperium Alpha wrote...
I know thats why... After 8 pages we are back at page 2

Well people keep popping in just to say the same things I responded to back on page 2. You'd think they could read the beginning first.
<_<

[Chromie]

Zweebs wrote...

 Why are you so stubborn? It's great extra content... they're not just going to hand it out for free.

Valve does and now CDProjekt. Hell CCP give their expansions to their MMO for free even though atm the users are annoyed and frustrated with them.

Modifié par Ringo12, 25 juin 2011 - 10:06 .

[DragonRageGT]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Epic Legion wrote...
Zaeed and Hammerhead are free for everyone with new game copy (not used).

Interesting. I don't recall any claim code in the box.

No need for a code in the box. Check http://social.biowar...ntitlements.php and they should be there. Click download and enjoy! heh

Modifié par RageGT, 25 juin 2011 - 10:29 .

[Thrombin]

Il Divo wrote...
You're missing the primary point, which is: mitigating circumstances, as another user brought up. Shepard's role is the only logical one, as those Batarians are dead anyway once the Reapers enter the relay.

That is an assumption, of course. For all we know the Reapers would have just ignored the Batarians and gone straight through the relays to the Citadel where they were intending to start the invasion from anyway.

Or, maybe Sovereign and Harbinger were rebels and the other Reapers didn't want to attack the galaxy at all 

Or maybe a lot of Batarians could have escaped and Shepard could then set off on a desperate mission to save the rest of the Galaxy (as he is about to do in ME3).

At the end of the day the results of his inaction are unknown. The results of his action are unavoidable. 

I'm actually with "the One" on this one. You're responsible for your own actions others (e.g. the Reapers) are responsible for theirs.

Regards

Julian

[Il Divo]

Thrombin wrote...

That is an assumption, of course. For all we know the Reapers would have just ignored the Batarians and gone straight through the relays to the Citadel where they were intending to start the invasion from anyway.

So they potentially take over the Citadel first? Given the decision, I'd prefer the center of galactic civilization to remain intact. No alpha relay (to our knowledge) means that the Reapers spend more time traveling, less time reaping. And it means they are continually thrown off-balance as they are flying to reach us manually.

Or maybe a lot of Batarians could have escaped and Shepard could then set off on a desperate mission to save the rest of the Galaxy (as he is about to do in ME3).

Escape to where? Once the Reapers are through, there is nowhere to escape to, as they have control of the relay.

At the end of the day the results of his inaction are unknown. The results of his action are unavoidable. 

I must disagree. Inaction results in galactic extermination. It results in the Reapers arriving that much sooner. 

[the_one_54321]

Il Divo wrote...
Inaction results in galactic extermination.

An assumption. An unverifiable assumption. To proceed based on the notion that this is true isntead of an unverifiable assumption is to render your entire argument invalid.

Il Divo wrote...
It results in the Reapers arriving that much sooner.

This is the only thing you know about it for certain.

edit: And as Imperium Alpha pointed out above, his actions didn't even accomplish anything for the rest of the galaxy in terms of better preparations.

Modifié par the_one_54321, 25 juin 2011 - 11:05 .

[the_one_54321]

Imperium Alpha wrote...
But, maybe the Reapers will not be able to take the Citadel or the "key" system as fast as they wanted. Thus allowing Shepard time to gathers every species and push them back to earth for the final confrontation.

I assume the Power of Plot will make things out so that Shepard's actions become painted as  heroic rather than genocide. After all, you can't have the hero of the series end up being a monster. But that's just story writing.

[Il Divo]

the_one_54321 wrote...

An assumption. An unverifiable assumption. To proceed based on the notion that this is true isntead of an unverifiable assumption is to render your entire argument invalid.

An assumption based on a cycle which has been successful every time, bar none.

edit: And as Imperium Alpha pointed out above, his actions didn't even accomplish anything for the rest of the galaxy in terms of better preparations.

I don't recall saying it did. However, more time Reapers take to arrive in our galaxy is less energy they have for the fight itself. It also gives Shepard more time for personal preparations, be it aiding Cerberus, looking into the Reapers by other means, or whatever. Shepard delays the invasion is the key point.

[the_one_54321]

Il Divo wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
An assumption. An unverifiable assumption. To proceed based on the notion that this is true isntead of an unverifiable assumption is to render your entire argument invalid.

An assumption based on a cycle which has been successful every time, bar none.

Following this line of thought, there is no reason why a little extra time will result in a different outcome.

[Nightdragon8]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
An assumption. An unverifiable assumption. To proceed based on the notion that this is true isntead of an unverifiable assumption is to render your entire argument invalid.

An assumption based on a cycle which has been successful every time, bar none.

Following this line of thought, there is no reason why a little extra time will result in a different outcome.

like in ME2 you don't need to worry about crap, the epilogue will more than likly be different because I bet you can start a new ME3 game without importing.

to be honest no one here can tell you how the game will turn out. No one can say Shep wont be arrested at teh end of the game for all the crap he did. Because you know what we are not he writers of the game, the people at BW are. And they aren't going o spoil the story just so you can sleep better knowing that if you didn't buy the DLC you will get an ultra bad ending.

What the default choices are, who freaking knows. I sure dont. And they aren't going to tell you until maybe a week before launch. if we are lucky. I mean think of it this way the defualt choices in ME2 are you let the council die and are pretty much a "renegade".

[JayhartRIC]

We already know from playing Arrival that letting the clock run out kills everybody so I don't see how you can debate that.

[Rockworm503]

Cowboy_christo wrote...

Zweebs wrote...

 Why are you so stubborn? It's great extra content... they're not just going to hand it out for free.

Not everyone is a cash cow. Also im sure im not the only one, many just loathe the concept of DLC.

What happened to the good ol' Expansions?

So its a cash cow for seeing a 7 dollar DLC worth it?  For the record these and New Vegas DLCs are the only ones I do spend mone one.
I don't care how awesome Skarlett plays I ain't paying 5 bucks for a char that should've been in the disc to begin with.

[Rockworm503]

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

Wulfram wrote...

Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien wrote...

*Stares at his Avatar*

"Previously on Twe... " *coughs* " Mass Effect"

Well, Jack Bauer isn't supposed to be your character.  And, I'd guess, major character defining moments don't happen in minor little side elements outside the main show.  So it's not entirely the same.

Really?

Game On: How would you describe the Mass Effect series to someone who's never played it?
Casey Hudson: To me, it's a huge science fiction universe in the style of the big science fiction properties like Star
Trek and Star Wars, though more targeted at an adult experience. We're trying to create something that's an entire universe people can immerse themselves in, but also something for the mature demographic that wants an adult story. That's why we've take Jack Bauer approach to Commander Shepard [the series protagonist]. We've tried to present you with agonizing choices as you navigate your way through the sequel and built that into a bigger, much darker story.

That was before ME2 came out and he referenced Bauer again during E3...

Oh and outside the main show would include things like '24: Redemption' which was a pre-season 7 tv-movie... you know, kind of like what Arrival is.

OMG just when I thought there was no possible way for me to love ME more...  Reaching my 24 fanboy in me always wins!

[Rockworm503]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...
Lair of the Shadow Broker and Arrival are considered to have happened to Shepard even if you didn't play them.

This is appalling.  If I have an in-character reason for not doing them, what then?  Is my character simply not permitted?

I keep telling you that the ME franchise is not what you consider an RPG.

KotorEffect3 wrote...
So what would you do if given the choice?

It's hard to say. I've had time to sit here and think about it, but if I were really in that position I would not have. Given that, I can say now that I would like to think I would choose to not kill 300k people and relay back to the Alliance that we have massive incoming. Then I'd probably die fighting, or else run back to Earth to try to take part in constructing a defense.

In terms of metagame, it would seem that Sheperd murdering 300k people didn't have a whole hell of a lot of effect on stopping the Reapers anyway.

LOL agonizing over Batarians really?  I guess you have a hard time stomping a deadly spider because its WRONG!

[littlezack]

Destroying the Alpha Relay is important because it's not like normal relays - it can send the Reapers to just about any relay they want, even right up to the Citadel. If the reapers got to it, they would have instantly have been able to pop out in front of any system they wanted to and launch a surprise attack...at the same time. The galaxy would have been crushed.

With the Alpha Relay destroyed, they have to take each system one step at a time, giving Shepard time to rally the galaxy. 

[Rockworm503]

Imperium Alpha wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...

Imperium Alpha wrote...

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...
This thread has derailed completely off-topic.

The topic and the OP was anyway

I got my answer earlier and this is interesting.

I just check a few pages and it's funny how the start was about DLC and it becames Shepard is an **** and killed batarians. (Serisously who cares about Batarians anyway ?) Okay. I could like them but the game put you in a situation where no-one will love Batarian. If people do then they are weird. Killing civilian is not great. But if it's the only solution you don't have choice.

I honestly believe the galaxy would be a better place without them.  Their nothing but trouble and I see them joining the reapers just to get at us!

[Rockworm503]

the_one_54321 wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

the_one_54321 wrote...
An assumption. An unverifiable assumption. To proceed based on the notion that this is true isntead of an unverifiable assumption is to render your entire argument invalid.

An assumption based on a cycle which has been successful every time, bar none.

Following this line of thought, there is no reason why a little extra time will result in a different outcome.

Shepard should not have botherd even trying.  He's already a monster in your eyes..  He should do the honorable thing and kill himself so the lengthy process of a trial wont waste tax payers dollars!

[Fordtransit]

1. Why people want to have all they like for free?
Remember, someone have to work to make thous things. For free or substandard pay? I dont want enything what is produced with substandard work conditions. Because by getting thiskinda stuff supports the worl of sweatshops, and i dont want to live in the world of sweatshops.
By paying for the product you get the Quality product, not some kinda 3 weeks old pizza with some hear in it.
2. DLC change stuff. A lot.
If some things are not as well and sweet in the game, how you suppouse to change them? A huge work may be needed. Again for free? Companies may get bust like this you know. Not good thing for gaming i guess.
I was playing ME1 imported adept with no No DLC on insanaty. It was down to teeth and fingers, but i did it. It was an eperience.
Now i get arc projector, Zaeed with squad diruptor ammo and Kazumi and Locust. Sweet! It is a different game. And i Will Pay For it.

The Batarian question. Quick death or invasion, indoctrination etc. I go for a quick death.
The question you need to ask is : Did they had a fighting chance? Wiht relay in reaper hands and this being the first point o entry for the reapers into habitated galaxy... i really doubt it.

As about the Japan in 1945. The estimations were like this: http://en.wikipedia....ated_casualties
http://www.operation...casualties.php.
I think the exact numbers on US persident table will probably be never known to public. But about 0,5 -1,0 million us troops and tenth of a population of japan. Thats about 7 millions.

[whywhywhywhy]

My take on dlc is it should be free if you bought the game new, and cost money if you did not. Because let's face it the additional content is most likely stuff that should be in the game but was cut for launch. They repackage it and sell it as dlc. Fine for them but why should I buy it ?

DLC should be expansion packs, full expansions on discs something like 1/3 the content of the me1 for 15.99 or 1/2 the content for 29.99 I'd have no problem purchasing that if it's good content. But DLC I dislike, I don't normally buy because imo it's a ripoff and encourages laziness.

I did however get a free bb giftcard and I didn't have anything to buy with it so I picked up some points and got LOTSB and KAsumi dlc. Kasumi is crap! I played it's content first and I got a sick feeling in my stomach, I knew better yet their I was playing dlc. So I went to download the hammerhead stuff(I bought the ce me2) and it was all too short and boring.

I wasn't looking forward to LOTSB but I played it and it was the best dlc out of everything I tried, bordering on better content then me2 itself(Mordin keeps me2 from being a flop imo). But LOTSB is too short and not inline with the price/content ratio I stated above that I'd happily pay for.

I also prefer discs in case something happens to my system I can be up and running as soon as I replace my system with dlc you have a huge wait ahead. Someone mentioned something about the used game market and counting those as lost sales that is incorrect.

The people who buy a game used aren't guaranteed to buy the game new, they only buy the game because it's cheaper and worth buying at that price to them. You cannot equate a used game sale as a lost sale unless greed clouds your judgment, the only thing a used sale can confirm is the gamer doesn't value your game at the price you sell it at.

I bought me1 used for about 5 bucks, I had no idea what it was at the time and took a chance on it. After all it was only 5 bucks, new it still sold for 20 I wasn't about to spend 20 bucks on a game I knew nothing about. Anyway after playing it I went back and bought the used platinum hits as it had more content on it for 9 bucks.

When I found out me2 was in developed I preordered the collector's version months away from release, something I had never done before. But I didn't fully enjoy me2 it was too much of a departure from the first game, the game that drew me to the series. The point is I never would have bought the collector's version, me2 and be on the fence ready to buy me3 if I didn't come across that first 5 dollar purchase.

Companies have to chalk it up to advertising cost, I never would have been part of the ME fanbase had I not bought that first game used. If they had did a better job on me2 (more in the vein of LOTSB and a actual reaper related mission) I would've preordered me3. I've seen the used game market cause some games that fall under the radar give enough buzz for a company to make a sequel and profit so really all we're talking about is greed. How much money they can squeeze from the gamers, some just aren't ready or willing to be squeezed.

As far as the me3 implications ? They'll handle it like the ps3 version which had no me1 though I suspect they may leave out some choices to encourage the purchasing of DLC.

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 29 juin 2011 - 12:51 .

[78stonewobble]

I don't really like DLC either. Unless it's free and everybody loves free stuff.

However I think the DLC's here ranged from ok to quite good and I didn't think they were too expensive. I got the cerberus pack with the game and then bought: genesis, LotSB, Arriwal and Kasumi. For leftover points I bought a few weapon packs. I couldn't be bothered to buy the fashion packs.

In the old days it was callen an expansion pack and you didn't get those for free either.

[whywhywhywhy]

I don't mind paying for expansions but one thing is clear the level of quality and amount of content in expansions were higher then that of some if not most dlc's.

[happy_daiz]

I will never understand why people aren't willing to pay for DLC. The bottom line is that it's a choice: pay for it, or don't, no skin off my back either way.

I will continue to support the developers that put their hearts and souls into extra content, so that you, the user, will have more to enjoy (complain about).