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Luna Siwora wrote...

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(...) well, part of the rest  of the world already has this law. ;)


Indeed. And something I find incredibly intriguing: whilst the US legalizes gay marriage only in some States (other ones are free to reject it) a lot of other countries don't. They legalize it for the entire Nation. Is that in the USA's Constitution or something? I really don't know.


Basically yes. Each state is different.

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Luna Siwora wrote...

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(...) well, part of the rest  of the world already has this law. ;)


Indeed. And something I find incredibly intriguing: whilst the US legalizes gay marriage only in some States (other ones are free to reject it) a lot of other countries don't. They legalize it for the entire Nation. Is that in the USA's Constitution or something? I really don't know.

It boils down to the history of the country and its early days of being made up of colonies. Because of the size of the 'country' then, things that happened in Georgia, say, may not have mattered to those in Rhode Island. So while the Constitution was about a nation, and establishing national rights/laws/etc, there was focus on state's rights due solely to geography - environment, flora, fauna, etc. So we have state's rights, and state's that enjoy and revel in their very separate laws/rights. The issue comes with things like civil rights, which should probably supercede the state and be for the nation (though civil rights are lumped in with state's rights due to the Civil War, most likely).

But...that's a different discussion. The above was merely meant to be a brief summary to answer your question. Hopefully it helped. Image IPB

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It really should be passed for the entire country. Since when is Marriage breaking the law? It's not like you get special privledges when youd o get married. Church's don't have signs that say "get marrie dand win a $1,000,000!!!!!" It's a long term commitment (most times) and if two people wanna commit to each other, let them.

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whykikyouwhy wrote...

It boils down to the history of the country and its early days of being made up of colonies. Because of the size of the 'country' then, things that happened in Georgia, say, may not have mattered to those in Rhode Island. So while the Constitution was about a nation, and establishing national rights/laws/etc, there was focus on state's rights due solely to geography - environment, flora, fauna, etc. So we have state's rights, and state's that enjoy and revel in their very separate laws/rights. The issue comes with things like civil rights, which should probably supercede the state and be for the nation (though civil rights are lumped in with state's rights due to the Civil War, most likely).

But...that's a different discussion. The above was merely meant to be a brief summary to answer your question. Hopefully it helped. Image IPB

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slimgrin wrote...

Basically yes. Each state is different.



Oh... something connected to the Monroe Doctrine & The Big Stick, three centuries ago, I take it... thanks for explaining, you both! I've always had that question in mind, but never thought that a matter like this should also been discussed between States only. It's ok, though, YAY FOR NY!

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ADLegend21 wrote...

It really should be passed for the entire country. Since when is Marriage breaking the law? It's not like you get special privledges when youd o get married. Church's don't have signs that say "get marrie dand win a $1,000,000!!!!!" It's a long term commitment (most times) and if two people wanna commit to each other, let them.


You do get special privleges when married, which is the whole point.

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slimgrin wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

It really should be passed for the entire country. Since when is Marriage breaking the law? It's not like you get special privledges when youd o get married. Church's don't have signs that say "get marrie dand win a $1,000,000!!!!!" It's a long term commitment (most times) and if two people wanna commit to each other, let them.


You do get special privleges when married, which is the whole point.



That is exactly why I approve this and why I feel great towards any matter concerning this. Knowing that now I am actually able to have the same HUMAN rights is just wonderful.

Modifié par Luna Siwora, 25 juin 2011 - 02:30 .


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As long as laws exist with regulations for families who are married and who are not we need a gay marriage. Family is there where two people love each other and decide to share their life in a long time partnership - with children or without. this has to be reflected by law.
The next steps are the same rights in every detail: taxes, adoption and all the little daily things.

Congratulations to New York! I am happy with all who live there and think its a step more in the right direction.

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Modifié par Sinmara, 25 juin 2011 - 02:34 .


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i'm so happy for everyone who is affected by this law. regardless of your opinion on marriage, the same rights and opportunities should be extended to all, regardless of who they fall in love with, the colour of their skin, the town/city/country they were born in, their last name, their language, or the number at the bottom of the column in their checking account.

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Luna Siwora wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

It really should be passed for the entire country. Since when is Marriage breaking the law? It's not like you get special privledges when youd o get married. Church's don't have signs that say "get marrie dand win a $1,000,000!!!!!" It's a long term commitment (most times) and if two people wanna commit to each other, let them.


You do get special privleges when married, which is the whole point.



That is exactly why I approve this and why I feel great towards any matter concerns this. Knowing that now I am actually able to have the same HUMAN rights is just wonderful.


I agree, it's good, but there will be a backlash among special interest groups now who will fund all sorts of legal roadblocks for any practical implications for the law. I hope those celebrating are prepared. It's going to get ugly.  

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slimgrin wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

It really should be passed for the entire country. Since when is Marriage breaking the law? It's not like you get special privledges when youd o get married. Church's don't have signs that say "get marrie dand win a $1,000,000!!!!!" It's a long term commitment (most times) and if two people wanna commit to each other, let them.


You do get special privleges when married, which is the whole point.


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I agree, it's good, but there will be a backlash among special interest groups now who will fund all sorts of legal roadblocks for any practical implications for the law. I hope those celebrating are prepared. It's going to get ugly.  


I bet it's gonna have something to do with God and all sort of archaic nonsense

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Ringo12 wrote...

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I agree, it's good, but there will be a backlash among special interest groups now who will fund all sorts of legal roadblocks for any practical implications for the law. I hope those celebrating are prepared. It's going to get ugly.  


I bet it's gonna have something to do with God and all sort of archaic nonsense


And corrupting children, sending society into a downward moral spiral, brainwashing straight people and forcibly groping them, etc. :P

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This is of the good.

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slimgrin wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
I agree, it's good, but there will be a backlash among special interest groups now who will fund all sorts of legal roadblocks for any practical implications for the law. I hope those celebrating are prepared. It's going to get ugly.  


I bet it's gonna have something to do with God and all sort of archaic nonsense


And corrupting children, sending society into a downward moral spiral, brainwashing straight people and forcibly groping them, etc. :P

Forcibly groping people is a gay thing? Aww hell naw, I'm takin it back. *Gropes EVERYONE*

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 Yay this is great news but please don't use Gaga to fight the haters use something "gay" we all like.:whistle:

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Some Geth wrote...

 Yay this is great news but please don't use Gaga to fight the haters use something "gay" we all like.:whistle:



http://t3.gstatic.co...RjzkTYL7Blt-ekR

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 <_<

I said "gay" not badass.

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Some Geth wrote...

 Yay this is great news but please don't use Gaga to fight the haters use something "gay" we all like.:whistle:

Like unicorns? 

While Gaga may not be gay, or at least has not declared herself to be, she gets to be an honorary family member, I think. :)

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Some Geth wrote...

 Yay this is great news but please don't use Gaga to fight the haters use something "gay" we all like.:whistle:

Freddie Mercury?

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whykikyouwhy wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

 Yay this is great news but please don't use Gaga to fight the haters use something "gay" we all like.:whistle:

Like unicorns? 

While Gaga may not be gay, or at least has not declared herself to be, she gets to be an honorary family member, I think. :)

Can I be honorary family member too. I can be the drunk deadbeat uncle :)

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Why would any sane person disagree with this?

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Exactly.

Great news!

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whykikyouwhy wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

 Yay this is great news but please don't use Gaga to fight the haters use something "gay" we all like.:whistle:

Like unicorns? 

While Gaga may not be gay, or at least has not declared herself to be, she gets to be an honorary family member, I think. :)

Yeah unicorns or something like this  

And Gaga is bi right?

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whykikyouwhy wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

 Yay this is great news but please don't use Gaga to fight the haters use something "gay" we all like.:whistle:

Like unicorns? 

While Gaga may not be gay, or at least has not declared herself to be, she gets to be an honorary family member, I think. :)


No she doesn't! 

Some Geth wrote...
And Gaga is bi right?


Only for the media maybr.

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Great news!


yeah

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slimgrin wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
I agree, it's good, but there will be a backlash among special interest groups now who will fund all sorts of legal roadblocks for any practical implications for the law. I hope those celebrating are prepared. It's going to get ugly.  


I bet it's gonna have something to do with God and all sort of archaic nonsense


And corrupting children, sending society into a downward moral spiral, brainwashing straight people and forcibly groping them, etc. :P

Those who believe in nothing are truly pathetic.
Also calling Moral Principles and Moral Education (thought by Plato, Aristotle and others) prejudice and brainwashing is beyond toleration.
It isn't related to this topic but raising rational humans who obtain virtue and seek wisdom/science is the goal of education. If you oppose last line you're a jerk.