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[whykikyouwhy]

I don't think she has claimed to be anything though I declare her awesome.
What about Ian McKellan?

@HiddenKing- I would wager all are welcome to celebrate as family.

[KenKenpachi]

Hmm seen some post awhile back saying it was passed in alot of countries already. If 10's alot then yes.

I think you have more that will murder you for it than allow it. As to the State's Issue. I can think of four things that DC could do that would result in a full scale civil war. Legalize gay Weddings (or rather related tax them and children), rise Taxes to European levels, hand over soveirnty, or take away private gun ownership. Being said I suspect this will be challanged in the courts, or used as fuel for the "reasons we need to Destroy America" fire some people have. More Countries allow civil unions which have many of the same rights minus the name.

Which draws up the point, why fight for the name? Its a religious marking namely, and I'm sure you'ld really find many preachers, priests, or Imans who would hold such a wedding. When its condemmed by all three pretty openly. Funny enough the Russian's are rolling around laughing about it, as is most of the Mid East, and China. So far the only really International praise is limited to the Scandinavian Countries, and the UK. US wide reception is pretty much like every damn thing else in this country and split along a 50/50 split largely on idealogical grounds.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 25 juin 2011 - 03:15 .

[HiddenKING]

Some Geth wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

 Yay this is great news but please don't use Gaga to fight the haters use something "gay" we all like.

Like unicorns? 

While Gaga may not be gay, or at least has not declared herself to be, she gets to be an honorary family member, I think.

Yeah unicorns or something like this  

And Gaga is bi right?

Da Fvck did I just watch

[Clover Rider]

HiddenKING wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

 Yay this is great news but please don't use Gaga to fight the haters use something "gay" we all like.

Like unicorns? 

While Gaga may not be gay, or at least has not declared herself to be, she gets to be an honorary family member, I think.

Yeah unicorns or something like this  

And Gaga is bi right?

Da Fvck did I just watch

The Milk Force's theme song.

Sure it's not as badass as this  but still good and gay.

Modifié par Some Geth, 25 juin 2011 - 03:17 .

[HiddenKING]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Hmm seen some post awhile back saying it was passed in alot of countries already. If 10's alot then yes.

I think you have more that will murder you for it than allow it. As to the State's Issue. I can think of four things that DC could do that would result in a full scale civil war. Legalize gay Weddings (or rather related tax them and children), rise Taxes to European levels, hand over soveirnty, or take away private gun ownership. Being said I suspect this will be challanged in the courts, or used as fuel for the "reasons we need to Destroy America" fire some people have. More Countries allow civil unions which have many of the same rights minus the name.

Which draws up the point, why fight for the name? Its a religious marking namely, and I'm sure you'ld really find many preachers, priests, or Imans who would hold such a wedding. When its condemmed by all three pretty openly. Funny enough the Russian's are rolling around laughing about it, as is most of the Mid East, and China. So far the only really International praise is limited to the Scandinavian Countries, and the UK. US wide reception is pretty much like every damn thing else in this country and split along a 50/50 split largely on idealogical grounds.

It's more than a name marriage comes with all types of benefits for couples
Tax Benefits, Estate Planning Benefits, Employment Benefits, Medical Benefits.
The list goes on and on. Also being recognized in the eyes of the government is important... i guess i dunno really.

[Clover Rider]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I don't think she has claimed to be anything though I declare her awesome.
What about Ian McKellan?

@HiddenKing- I would wager all are welcome to celebrate as family.

She is not bad or anything I just think she tries far too hard to be "odd".

[KenKenpachi]

HiddenKING wrote...

KenKenpachi wrote...

Hmm seen some post awhile back saying it was passed in alot of countries already. If 10's alot then yes.

I think you have more that will murder you for it than allow it. As to the State's Issue. I can think of four things that DC could do that would result in a full scale civil war. Legalize gay Weddings (or rather related tax them and children), rise Taxes to European levels, hand over soveirnty, or take away private gun ownership. Being said I suspect this will be challanged in the courts, or used as fuel for the "reasons we need to Destroy America" fire some people have. More Countries allow civil unions which have many of the same rights minus the name.

Which draws up the point, why fight for the name? Its a religious marking namely, and I'm sure you'ld really find many preachers, priests, or Imans who would hold such a wedding. When its condemmed by all three pretty openly. Funny enough the Russian's are rolling around laughing about it, as is most of the Mid East, and China. So far the only really International praise is limited to the Scandinavian Countries, and the UK. US wide reception is pretty much like every damn thing else in this country and split along a 50/50 split largely on idealogical grounds.

It's more than a name marriage comes with all types of benefits for couples
Tax Benefits, Estate Planning Benefits, Employment Benefits, Medical Benefits.
The list goes on and on. Also being recognized in the eyes of the government is important... i guess i dunno really.

Hence why I pointed out why more nations use civil unions. It gives all the rights really minus the name, and doesn't ****** in some peoples cornflakes. It was mainly ment as an informative post. Not really an opinion. In fact I think short of in Western Europe and I think Brazil most laws in this reguard globally are...hostile to say in the least.

As to tax benefits if DC has its way, those will vanish and the reverse of being taxed will take place. As to estate planning, that varries from state to state, town to town. Employment and Medical in the states with a number of jobs here are optional and you have to pay into, some jobs arn't like that however, and then again some don't offer them at all.

But like I said more informative, threads like this turn ugly fast, so I tend to stay out of any long drawn out talks. Think of me as a TV Anchor man, I'ld be smiling even if it was a report on Little Timmy drowning in a well.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 25 juin 2011 - 03:34 .

[Joshd21]

Update

ALBANY, New York (AP) — Gov. Andrew Cuomo has signed New York's gay marriage bill, starting what is expected to be a crush of gay weddings starting in 30 days.The
Democratic governor signed the measure shortly before midnight Friday,
following up on a promise to put his name on the legislation as soon as
he received it rather than wait the usual 10 days to sign it for it to
become law.New York lawmakers
narrowly voted to legalize same-sex marriage, handing activists a
breakthrough victory in the state where the U.S. gay rights movement was
born.New York will become the sixth state where gay couples can wed and the biggest by far.

so 30 days from now it become law. That was fast he signned it and its a saturday.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

@KenKenpachi
I see some truth in your comments.
It's better to get away from this topic, before it becomes uglier!

[HiddenKING]

KenKenpachi wrote...

 Think of me as a TV Anchor man, I'ld be smiling even if it was a report on Little Timmy drowning in a well.

Not Little Timmy

[Blansten]

Some Geth wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I don't think she has claimed to be anything though I declare her awesome.
What about Ian McKellan?

@HiddenKing- I would wager all are welcome to celebrate as family.

She is not bad or anything I just think she tries far too hard to be "odd".

Declaration seconded.

I am not convinced she is trying to be anything as much as she just is what she is. Whatever anyone thinks of her however she is popular at the moment and is using her voice and noteriety to spread a very positive message and that makes her aces in my book. Plus her music has a great beat and is easy to dance to.

Modifié par Blansten, 25 juin 2011 - 03:44 .

[sympathy4saren]

First off, let me start out by saying I'm a Libertarian. I believe in absolute total freedom, from the government not stealing my money and giving to to others, from the government having no control or say over my body or what I do. For instance....I believe prostitution should be legal.

As far as gay marriage, I'm all for same sex unity...same rights, same everything as traditional unity between a man and woman. But the specific legal definition of marriage is between a man and woman, dating back to English Common Law, and as a legal issue, this needs to be adhered to IMO, not reformed.

A different title, I think chosen by the gay community themselves, would be appropriate. But IMO those individuals have the same freedom I do, who am I or is anybody to tell them what they can and can't do? If they want to be unified, like a man and a woman are, they should have the freedom to do so. If they do not, its not freedom.

[slimgrin]

*forced to leave thread through Gaga over exposure*

Modifié par slimgrin, 25 juin 2011 - 03:53 .

[Cailean]

I just read the news, and I got to say that I'm happy for the gay people who now finally get their equal rights. 6 states allow it now, 44 to go...

To the haters:

Modifié par Cailean, 25 juin 2011 - 04:14 .

[whykikyouwhy]

Autolycus wrote...

But the specific legal definition of marriage is between a man and woman, dating back to English Common Law, and as a legal issue, this needs to be adhered to IMO, not reformed.

No it's not. it's a religious law, like many of our outdated laws and rules, and should not apply as religion is purely a faith...and not a fact.

That is what needs changing...

It's that whole difference between civil unions and marriage. Technically, no marriage can exist without the civil union aspect - the legal contract from ye olde justice of the peace (or courthouse). The marriage is an institution aspect that mixes societal acknowledgement and sometimes religion. It's more the officiating ceremony side.

So yes, it's a word of old that meant one thing for the society at the time and went into the books as such. It's become something to signify the union of two to become one and enter into a personal contract as well as a legal one. I don't know that we want to change the name for one group versus the other. The name is too ingrained in our consciousness. What we need to change is our perception of it.

Or so I think, for what that's worth.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Cailean wrote...

I just read the news, and I got to say that I'm happy for the gay people who now finally get their equal rights. 6 states allow it now, 44 to go...

To the haters:

I'm not a pawn of Human -Sex- Rights. I adore my own interpretation of human rights.
There is no equality in the world, even two individuals aren't equal in their strength and intelligence. Every human has the right to choose his job, his life and to say his opinions.
This fraud is for the votes, and there is no reason behind it; gay marriage is dumber than Worshiping idols. The purpose of marriage is to create new generation. Faking families with gays is too ...
And you know defending something stupid in contemporary world is called open-mindness, and I'm proud I have few principles in my mind to consider to judge new phenomena.

Modifié par Garbage Master, 25 juin 2011 - 04:51 .

[Cailean]

Garbage Master wrote...

Cailean wrote...

I just read the news, and I got to say that I'm happy for the gay people who now finally get their equal rights. 6 states allow it now, 44 to go...

To the haters:

I'm not a pawn of Human -Sex- Rights. I adore my own interpretation of human rights.
There is no equality in the world, even two individuals aren't equal in their strength and intelligence. Every human has the right to choose his job, his life and to say his opinions.
This fraud is for the votes, and there is no reason behind it; gay marriage is dumber than Worshiping idols. The purpose of marriage is to create new generation. Faking families with gays is too ...
And you know defending something stupid in contemporary world is called open-mindness, and I'm proud I have few principles in my mind to consider to judge new phenomena.

....

Right. Maybe you should take a second look at that picture...

Anyways, the funny thing is, you can b¡tch about it as much as you want, you simply can't stop it. People will eventually realize that there nothing wrong with gay people, so whine whatever you want, it won't help.

Modifié par Cailean, 25 juin 2011 - 04:56 .

[jerst]

So... Finally... The so called country of "freedom" is moving on.

Well, keep up the good work, you still have a lot do

[Blansten]

Garbage Master wrote...

Cailean wrote...

I just read the news, and I got to say that I'm happy for the gay people who now finally get their equal rights. 6 states allow it now, 44 to go...

To the haters:

I'm not a pawn of Human -Sex- Rights. I adore my own interpretation of human rights.
There is no equality in the world, even two individuals aren't equal in their strength and intelligence. Every human has the right to choose his job, his life and to say his opinions.
This fraud is for the votes, and there is no reason behind it; gay marriage is dumber than Worshiping idols. The purpose of marriage is to create new generation. Faking families with gays is too ...
And you know defending something stupid in contemporary world is called open-mindness, and I'm proud I have few principles in my mind to consider to judge new phenomena.

I'm sure we all adore our own interpretations, of rights and everything else for that matter. How is worshipping idols dumb? It is simply a different choice, no more dumb than worshipping God, Allah, Budda or anything else for that matter. The mandating of religious choice has already proven impossible to maintain.

Marriage has nothing to do with creating a new generation, new generations are created outside of marriage with each passing hour. Marriage isn't even neccessary for raising new generations as many here can attest I am sure. Defining Gay Rights as stupid is something that only a portion of the population does and does not in fact make it so. I would say that Gay Rights are no more "stupid" than Civil Rights or Women's Rights are. I respect that you have your own belief structure, I do not understand why that means you have to tear down those who do not comply with it.

[Agamo45]

I'm sorry for the people of NY.

[Clover Rider]

rynluna wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

I don't think she has claimed to be anything though I declare her awesome.
What about Ian McKellan?

@HiddenKing- I would wager all are welcome to celebrate as family.

She is not bad or anything I just think she tries far too hard to be "odd".

It's called art.

I know what art is and Gaga is not art.

Oh and Blansten I guess you have not seen her before she was "Lady Gaga". Still you are right about what she sings about is good for a ton of people but I will always think "Born This Way" was stupid(the music video that is.)

Modifié par Some Geth, 25 juin 2011 - 05:38 .