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[txgoldrush]

billy the squid wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

VanDraegon wrote...

That was the weakest comparison to LoTR i have seen yet.

so, army falls back from a battle of the ruins, current ruler undermimes the effort to fight the orc threat, orcs approach major city and attack it, the rightful heir can or will return, a special plot device is the only way the evil can be destroyed, heroes gather allies to stave off the attack on that city.

Is it a 100% Return of the King...no.....but it borrows just enough to make it feel very unoriginal and very generic. Even the Darkspawn is in LOTR's style. How are their Ogres not comparable to LOTR's trolls.

Come on Ostagar screams LOTRs, and The Deep Roads screa Moria.

Bioware simply borrowed way to much from its influence.

As I have said before, DAO is a fantasy game and comes with the familiarity of fantasy games which most of us have played numerous times, there are elves, dwarves, humans and magic etc. Anything, but a fleeting glance shows that DAO is not a LOTR rip off, but it has similarities as all fantasy games do particularly as the setting is based on medieval Europe, which was the same setting as LOTR which bears similarities to every fantasy game to some extent.

The actual content of DAO bears little relation to LOTR other than broad strokes, what you have managed to is pick a single event and then claimed this is the same as Ostagar etc. Ipso facto DAO is now the same as LOTR whilst completely ignoring the story, lore setting and backstory which bears as much resemblance to one another as a melon does to a pumpkin.

For instance Dwarven cast system, Elves being ensaved by Tevinter, the fractious nature of Thedas the Qunari invasion etc bears little relation in the detail other than there are dwarves, elves and human nations found in both DA and LOTR.

I am not sayin the lore is comaprable to the LOTR however, elements of the main plot in DAO are comparable too much so to simply ignore. You cannot deny the Ostagar was inspired and similiar (not the same, similiar) to Osgilith of ROTK.

A fanatsy story should offer something fresh and new, and outside of some of the side plots, DAO just doesn't do that while its peers like The Witcher and Mask of the Betrayer did.

[HawkeN7x]

Bio-Age wrote...

HawkeN7x wrote...

Bio-Age wrote...

HawkeN7x wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Bio-Age wrote...

por favor wrote...

HawkeN7x wrote...

i agree with the OP. his posts are fact imho. too many bash DA2

You signed up 5 minutes ago and your first post was on this thread...

Yeah, that's not suspicious at all.

Its txgoldrush version 2.0

That was hilarious.
Way to back up your arguments, OP.

imho i'm not txgoldrush.. he speaks the truth, it's just that too many bash the game... I'm not him.

imho make a few more accounts - gets more entertaining that way

nah bro, this is my only acc.

Not your bro.. bro..now get crackin on makin more accounts - getting bored here.

nah bro, imho i don't need more than 1 acc.

[Bio-Age]

HawkeN7x wrote...

Bio-Age wrote...

HawkeN7x wrote...

Bio-Age wrote...

HawkeN7x wrote...

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Bio-Age wrote...

por favor wrote...

HawkeN7x wrote...

i agree with the OP. his posts are fact imho. too many bash DA2

You signed up 5 minutes ago and your first post was on this thread...

Yeah, that's not suspicious at all.

Its txgoldrush version 2.0

That was hilarious.
Way to back up your arguments, OP.

imho i'm not txgoldrush.. he speaks the truth, it's just that too many bash the game... I'm not him.

imho make a few more accounts - gets more entertaining that way

nah bro, this is my only acc.

Not your bro.. bro..now get crackin on makin more accounts - getting bored here.

nah bro, imho i don't need more than 1 acc.

Yo Bro,, more melodrama then - if creating more then two accounts is too difficult for you.

[KotorEffect3]

While I am normaly the type of person that likes the sequel more than the original namely because more often then not sequels add on to and expand on the foundation that the original laid out making the sequel in most cases bigger and more intersting.  However I find this not to be the case with the Dragon Age games.  I found DAO to be superior in almost everyway.  From party customization to exploration to overall storytelling DAO blows DA 2 out of the water.  I also wasn't a big fan of most of the changes they made to the artistic style of the game (major exception being the qunari)  and I felt that while fun the combat was to over the top.  That said I still like DA 2 and have fun playing it but DA 2 was a big step backwards for the series.  Hopefuly the next DA game will learn some of the lessons from it and they take a little more time planning on it and working on it.  At the time DA 2 came out there wasn't a need for a new DA game yet as DAO had been out only a little over a year and still had plenty of legs to it.

[por favor]

HawkeN7x wrote...

nah bro, imho i don't need more than 1 acc.

Is this your first time on the boards then?

[Yrkoon]

txgoldrush wrote...

ItsTheTruth wrote...

Well that's a bad question because the OP only makes **** up to defend DA2, and genlocks are from DA:O.

A better question would be: OP, do you think the road at the beginning of the game is beautiful and a good way to start DA2?

because Darkspawn are not important in DAII past the prologue.

The more the series goes away from the Darkspawn (except the talking ones) the better.

Is is just me, or does this guy *completely* dodge the question posed to him here?

[csfteeeer]

txgoldrush wrote...

Rokky94 wrote...

@ OP

Did you really find DA2 more fun to play than DA:O?

pretty much the same....did however, enjoy the sequels story much more, but ghot sick of the dungeon recycling program and lack of new areas.

They are both 8.0-8.5 RPGs to me...good, but not great.

What?!?!?!
ok, officially, this is now a troll atempt, i have seen you in other places (with the exact same name) Bashing The Living S**t out of Origins, and defending the living hell out of DA2, and now you say they're equal...
F**k this, you're just a troll.

[txgoldrush]

Yrkoon wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

ItsTheTruth wrote...

Well that's a bad question because the OP only makes **** up to defend DA2, and genlocks are from DA:O.

A better question would be: OP, do you think the road at the beginning of the game is beautiful and a good way to start DA2?

because Darkspawn are not important in DAII past the prologue.

The more the series goes away from the Darkspawn (except the talking ones) the better.

Is is just me, or does this guy *completely* dodge the question posed to him here?

Is the road the best way to start DAII? No...but is it a bad way? No

It works because we know what happens to Lothering in DAO.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

DA:O was far from perfect. I wouldn't be here now, or have a job if DA:O was a perfect game, because I would be playing it still, drool rolling down the corner of my mouth as messages piled up in my voice mail and e-mail. It had it's flaws. My main issue with DA 2 is that Bioware ignored the flaws of Origins, created new flaws, rushed it to make it worse and solved nothing other than making me hesitant about their future releases. It's just my opinion but DA 2 was not designed for me in the least. I could go into greater detail as to why, but I would rather not write a short story about it just to have some random internet person mis-quote my post and claim my opinion is somehow invalid, and that my favorite color should be like their's using anything but logic as reasons why. This thread is one I've seen way too many times. At least it makes me laugh, so thanks OP.

[txgoldrush]

csfteeeer wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Rokky94 wrote...

@ OP

Did you really find DA2 more fun to play than DA:O?

pretty much the same....did however, enjoy the sequels story much more, but ghot sick of the dungeon recycling program and lack of new areas.

They are both 8.0-8.5 RPGs to me...good, but not great.

What?!?!?!
ok, officially, this is now a troll atempt, i have seen you in other places (with the exact same name) Bashing The Living S**t out of Origins, and defending the living hell out of DA2, and now you say they're equal...
F**k this, you're just a troll.

Why and I bashing DAO, beccause fans overrate it. Why to I defend DAII, because fans trash it. I am not calling DAO a sucky game or DAII a masterpiece here. Think.....DAO is just not as good as fans think and DAII is not a sbad as fans think.

[Yrkoon]

txgoldrush wrote...
Is the road the best way to start DAII? No...but is it a bad way? No 
 

No?  What can be worse than a single direction,   totally featureless, dirt road containing one mob of enemies, then another mob of the exact same enemies, then another?   Can you  cite us an example of an RPG beginning that is not-as-good, in your opinion, as DA2's beginning?

Modifié par Yrkoon, 25 juin 2011 - 11:41 .

[txgoldrush]

Yrkoon wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
Is the road the best way to start DAII? No...but is it a bad way? No 
 

No?  What can be worse?   Can you  cite us an example of an RPG beginning that is not-as-good, in your opinion, as DA2's beginning?

Fallout 2

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Final fantasy XIII, wait that game sucked

Modifié par DinoSteve, 25 juin 2011 - 11:51 .

[nightscrawl]

txgoldrush wrote...

Why does everyone hold this game in such high regard than bash DAII?

*sigh* Well, your post is all about opinion, so I'll just counter with my own opinion. I'd like to mention first that I'm not one of those who think DAO is 1000x better than DA2. I like them pretty much equally, and for different reasons. I only wish DA2 had been longer. My longest DA2 play was about 20 hours shorter than my longest DAO play. It makes me sad.

1) Comparisons to LOTR. I've read all of the books and seen the movies numerous times. I don't really see it the same way you do, especially with your direct comparisons to individual components.

2) Clones and one-dimensional characters. None of the references that you made had any meaning to me, so I obviously don't see the clone aspect. The main Bioware game I played before getting into Dragon Age was Neverwinter Nights (all expansions, etc). I also don't think that they are one-dimensional. If you play DAO and manage to do all of the companion quests (as I did just recently), you see more depth to the characters. People say the same for DA2, but I also don't see that. If you just listened to dialogue, and this includes party banter, you will see character dynamics.

3) Gameplay and Combat. I do think that the combat in DA2 is much more fluid. However, the main fault that I find with DAO combat is there is no hotkey option for 'next target' or 'nearest target'. In DA2 I can just tab around and go from enemy to enemy very easily. This is especially convenient if you have a bunch of those lower level mobs with smaller health bars. With DAO everything must be selected manually with the mouse cursor, which I think is rather annoying. I've played all 3 classes in DAO and DA2. Each class has their own styles and are done well enough to make them distinctive and fun. As for the dialogue wheel, there is much contention over that. I enjoy it and I enjoy hearing my character speak. It has some issues and I dislike not seeing the exact lines I will say, but generally it has been a good thing. I recently did an entire DAO/DAA play and did not feel at a loss for hearing my character not speaking, which was a relief. Many people however, feel that the dialogue wheel and hearing their character speak takes away a significant RP aspect, which I can certainly understand.

4) Quality of story. Your comments here are so abstract that it's not really fair to respond to them. I will say though that I did enjoy the story in both games. It helps to view them differently. DAO has the main enemy that you eventually defeat, while DA2 is about the long term activities of a group of people (and one in particular) and how they come to influence and entire city.

In general, unless you are talking about specific gameplay mechanics, I think it's unfair to compare the two games. Yes, they take place in the same universe, but I feel they are very different from each other. I think the main problem many people have is they had certain expectations based on DAO and didn't feel that those expectations were met with the final product.

csfteeeer wrote...

What?!?!?!
ok, officially, this is
now a troll atempt, i have seen you in other places (with the exact same
name) Bashing The Living S**t out of Origins, and defending the living
hell out of DA2, and now you say they're equal...
F**k this, you're just a troll.

You seriously think s/he is a troll just because his opinion differs from yours? Wow... I also think they are pretty much equal, and it is because I look at the two games in different ways. It's all a matter of perspective. If you think that DAO is so much better, well that's your own opinion, but don't bash other people for having a different one.

I've logged hundreds of hours and over 5 plays each of both DAO and DA2. I think it's safe to say that I like them both.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 25 juin 2011 - 11:52 .

[Yrkoon]

txgoldrush wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
Is the road the best way to start DAII? No...but is it a bad way? No 
 

No?  What can be worse?   Can you  cite us an example of an RPG beginning that is not-as-good, in your opinion, as DA2's beginning?

Fallout 2

Yeah, you're stoned, or something.

Fallout 2's beginning features 2 different environments  (outdoor and indoor).   the outdoor one has trees.  The indoor one is a maze-like dungeon with different types of enemies.

[Wozearly]

txgoldrush wrote...

Why and I bashing DAO, beccause fans overrate it. Why to I defend DAII, because fans trash it. I am not calling DAO a sucky game or DAII a masterpiece here. Think.....DAO is just not as good as fans think and DAII is not a sbad as fans think.

To be honest, it shouldn't really be a surprise that there are some core Origins fans laying into DA2 because of the massive shift in direction away from Origins, and that there are equally a chunk of DA2 fans who are taking up the opposite side and laying into Origins.

Both are either very vocal about their preferences because they care deeply about what made each game great for them as individuals, or they're doing it in the hope that Bioware reads the feedback and thinks either;

a) Ooookay. Yeah. We really need to make DA3 much more like DA:O, or

Nah, see? We were right all along with DA2. The haters are philistines - suck it up, princess.

Depending, obviously, on which camp you fall into.

[csfteeeer]

txgoldrush wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Rokky94 wrote...

@ OP

Did you really find DA2 more fun to play than DA:O?

pretty much the same....did however, enjoy the sequels story much more, but ghot sick of the dungeon recycling program and lack of new areas.

They are both 8.0-8.5 RPGs to me...good, but not great.

What?!?!?!
ok, officially, this is now a troll atempt, i have seen you in other places (with the exact same name) Bashing The Living S**t out of Origins, and defending the living hell out of DA2, and now you say they're equal...
F**k this, you're just a troll.

Why and I bashing DAO, beccause fans overrate it. Why to I defend DAII, because fans trash it. I am not calling DAO a sucky game or DAII a masterpiece here. Think.....DAO is just not as good as fans think and DAII is not a sbad as fans think.

i'll quote what i read at Ign:


"DAII has a far more intellegent plot, far more complex and 3d
characters, and is far betterw ritten and put together. Too bad it
requires intellegent gamers to understand the story."

"Wow....never could understand the love for "Dragon Age: Overrated"

Lets
see, super generic plot, that actually lacks focus, with one
dimensional characters with the exception of the redhead, broken combat
system thats easily exploited, poor loot system, broken and linear
leveling system, unbalanced skills, poor art design, atroicous level
design, etc. "


i would also Quote what you said at gamespot, but every single thing you wrote got Flamed.

the fact is, saying this kinds of flaws would not make it an 8.5 game, stop being suck a hypocrite cause you're contradicting  yourself, like i said, you're just a troll.

and i wanna make this Perfectly Clear:
YOU. Have no say. You are a person with an opinion, and that opinion happens to be that DAO is Overrated, no problem with that, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE A FACT, WHAT YOU SAY, IS NO FACT, Keep saying all you want "no, i'm right, DAO is Overrated" all you want, not gonna change anything nor is it gonna change peoples mind, so is  timefor you to Stfu.
i'm OFFICIALLY, Done Here

Modifié par csfteeeer, 25 juin 2011 - 11:53 .

[txgoldrush]

Yrkoon wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
Is the road the best way to start DAII? No...but is it a bad way? No 
 

No?  What can be worse?   Can you  cite us an example of an RPG beginning that is not-as-good, in your opinion, as DA2's beginning?

Fallout 2

Yeah, you're stoned, or something.

Fallout 2's beginning features 2 different environments  (outdoor and indoor).   the outdoor one has trees.  The indoor one is a maze-like dungeon with different types of enemies.

However, F2's opening is well criticized and very unbalanced towards melee and unramed characters and the action doesn't get moving until you reach the Den in the non restored version.

The Temple of Trials was awful.

[billy the squid]

txgoldrush wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

VanDraegon wrote...

That was the weakest comparison to LoTR i have seen yet.

so, army falls back from a battle of the ruins, current ruler undermimes the effort to fight the orc threat, orcs approach major city and attack it, the rightful heir can or will return, a special plot device is the only way the evil can be destroyed, heroes gather allies to stave off the attack on that city.

Is it a 100% Return of the King...no.....but it borrows just enough to make it feel very unoriginal and very generic. Even the Darkspawn is in LOTR's style. How are their Ogres not comparable to LOTR's trolls.

Come on Ostagar screams LOTRs, and The Deep Roads screa Moria.

Bioware simply borrowed way to much from its influence.

As I have said before, DAO is a fantasy game and comes with the familiarity of fantasy games which most of us have played numerous times, there are elves, dwarves, humans and magic etc. Anything, but a fleeting glance shows that DAO is not a LOTR rip off, but it has similarities as all fantasy games do particularly as the setting is based on medieval Europe, which was the same setting as LOTR which bears similarities to every fantasy game to some extent.

The actual content of DAO bears little relation to LOTR other than broad strokes, what you have managed to is pick a single event and then claimed this is the same as Ostagar etc. Ipso facto DAO is now the same as LOTR whilst completely ignoring the story, lore setting and backstory which bears as much resemblance to one another as a melon does to a pumpkin.

For instance Dwarven cast system, Elves being ensaved by Tevinter, the fractious nature of Thedas the Qunari invasion etc bears little relation in the detail other than there are dwarves, elves and human nations found in both DA and LOTR.

I am not sayin the lore is comaprable to the LOTR however, elements of the main plot in DAO are comparable too much so to simply ignore. You cannot deny the Ostagar was inspired and similiar (not the same, similiar) to Osgilith of ROTK.

A fanatsy story should offer something fresh and new, and outside of some of the side plots, DAO just doesn't do that while its peers like The Witcher and Mask of the Betrayer did.

The Witcher, bloody well should be different, it is based on a Polish book, entirely different fantasy world. DAO suffers like many fantasy games from the fact that LOTR was and still is one of the most expansive and detailed settings for High fantasies and as such most such events ala Ostagar and Osgiliath in fantasy games will at some point have been covered in Tolkein's writings. For that matter such events are littered throughout European History, less darkspawn.

Yet, considering Tolkein's books are based on medieval European history, myth and legend which is repleate with events like ostagar etc. one doesnt have to attribute set pieces such as this to a fantasy piece when reading some of the actual old texts such as "Gregory of Tours, A history of the Franks" is rather vivid in the depiction of the events at the time complete with supposed miracles.

Does DAO try to be revolutionary in its potrayal of events? No, it is the detail of the game which differentiates it from its predecessors and competitors, the game was called the spiritual succesor to Baulder's Gate 2. I don't think it was even meant to break the mold. What you have given again is nothing more than broad strokes and claimed that it is similar to LOTR, well of course the broad strokes are similar, just as most fantasy games have similar hallmarks in broadest sense, the amount of fantasy games done there will always be some overlap it is as I have explained the detail that differentiates them. 

Edit
Actually read the books and background detail of LOTR, the siege of Osgiliath had been going on for decades what you see in the film is a brief snap shot, it is context which is important, which you don't account for. The only similarities are a battle takes place and one side looses. The point still stands, that DAO bears the similar hall marks to many High Fantasy games and books, plot points have not been simply pulled from LOTR etc as the plot bears very little resemblance to DOA, only in it's broadest sense.  

Modifié par billy the squid, 26 juin 2011 - 12:34 .

[Yrkoon]

txgoldrush wrote...

However, F2's opening is well criticized .

By who?

[txgoldrush]

csfteeeer wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

csfteeeer wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Rokky94 wrote...

@ OP

Did you really find DA2 more fun to play than DA:O?

pretty much the same....did however, enjoy the sequels story much more, but ghot sick of the dungeon recycling program and lack of new areas.

They are both 8.0-8.5 RPGs to me...good, but not great.

What?!?!?!
ok, officially, this is now a troll atempt, i have seen you in other places (with the exact same name) Bashing The Living S**t out of Origins, and defending the living hell out of DA2, and now you say they're equal...
F**k this, you're just a troll.

Why and I bashing DAO, beccause fans overrate it. Why to I defend DAII, because fans trash it. I am not calling DAO a sucky game or DAII a masterpiece here. Think.....DAO is just not as good as fans think and DAII is not a sbad as fans think.

i'll quote what i read at Ign:


"DAII has a far more intellegent plot, far more complex and 3d
characters, and is far betterw ritten and put together. Too bad it
requires intellegent gamers to understand the story."

"Wow....never could understand the love for "Dragon Age: Overrated"

Lets
see, super generic plot, that actually lacks focus, with one
dimensional characters with the exception of the redhead, broken combat
system thats easily exploited, poor loot system, broken and linear
leveling system, unbalanced skills, poor art design, atroicous level
design, etc. "


i would also Quote what you said at gamespot, but every single thing you wrote got Flamed.

the fact is, saying this kinds of flaws would not make it an 8.5 game, stop being suck a hypocrite cause you're contradicting  yourself, like i said, you're just a troll.

and i wanna make this Perfectly Clear:
YOU. Have no say. You are a person with an opinion, and that opinion happens to be that DAO is Overrated, no problem with that, BUT THAT DOESN'T MAKE A FACT, WHAT YOU SAY, IS NO FACT, Keep saying all you want "no, i'm right, DAO is Overrated" all you want, not gonna change anything nor is it gonna change peoples mind, so is for you to Stfu.

so f'n what.....

if you don't like what I have to say than ****** off.

Maybe if fans didn't hold it too extremely high degrees than I wouldn't flame it as much.my criticisms are harsher because fans keep thinking the game is all that and a bar for RPGs and bioware. Same thing with FFVII fans, think its the greatest game ever...thats why my criticism of that game is nastier.

[por favor]

Notice how txgoldrush 2.0 conveniently disappeared when busted for being a fake account. lol. Didn't bother to post on any other threads but this one, too...how odd.

Modifié par por favor, 26 juin 2011 - 12:00 .

[txgoldrush]

Yrkoon wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

However, F2's opening is well criticized .

By who?

the fans....

even the designers did not want to do it, Interplay forced them to.

[txgoldrush]

por favor wrote...

Notice how txgoldrush 2.0 conveniently disappeared when busted for being a fake account. lol. Didn't bother to post on any other threads but this one, too...how odd.

it wasn't even me....

[nightscrawl]

I also would like to add that the posts on these forums bashing DA2 for not being like DAO far outweigh those praising DA2. So, it only seems natural that one person or other would get sick of it and make a thread like this.

For my part, I think most of the bashing, on both sides in unwarranted. Unless a game is released with serious (and I mean super serious) flaws that make it unplayable until the first patch (as was the case for NWN2 as I recall, but I can't link to my post about that anymore), the overwhelming, vicious response by some "fans" has been excessive.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 26 juin 2011 - 12:03 .