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[Bio-Age]

Txgoldrush 2.0 doesn't want to play anymore -- I R Sad and still bored BRO.

Modifié par Bio-Age, 26 juin 2011 - 12:08 .

[por favor]

Modifié par por favor, 27 juin 2011 - 03:49 .

[txgoldrush]

nightscrawl wrote...

I also would like to add that the posts on these forums bashing DA2 for not being like DAO far outweigh those praising DA2. So, it only seems natural that one person or other would get sick of it and make a thread like this.

For my part, I think most of the bashing, on both sides in unwarranted. Unless a game is released with serious (and I mean super serious) flaws that make it unplayable until the first patch (as was the case for NWN2 as I recall, but I can't link to my post about that anymore), the overwhelming, vicious response by some "fans" has been excessive.

Percisely....

If DAII wasn't constantly trashed, I wouldn't even make a thread like this.

In fact, I have not seen a game trashed like this on this scale before since maybe Invisible War. Usually, if its a bad game, people just ignore it. But people trash this game like there is nothing better to do, then constantly compare it to its predecessor which has significant and major flaws as well.

[RaenImrahl]

Bio-Age wrote...

Txgoldrush 2.0 doesn't want to play anymore -- I R Sad and still bored BRO.

Then perhaps you need to take a break from these forums.  Discussion of the topic at hand, even this topic is appropriate.  Taunting other users is not.  If you think someone is somehow subverting the system, report them.  But derailing conversations will get you banned.  In other words, please grow up a little, bro.

For the rest... let's keep the topic on track.

Thank you,

RI

[RaenImrahl]

@por favor -- same as above.

[DragonRageGT]

nonononon.. Origins is a masterpiece! I alone have over 150 videos of it and some 2,000,000 viewers that think the same. Other tubers have even more videos and viewers!

DA2? I'd say it has some 10% of both videos uploaded and viewers. Not to mention much less actually gamers audience than Origins. You can't compare both. It is like comparing Brazil and USA in football.. one has 5 Fifa's World Championship, Pele, Ronaldo, Zico, Falcão, Romário, Gaúcho, Garrincha, Neymar, Ganso... the other? One heroic victory over England in 1950 and one heroic classification to the Eights of Final in 2010... only one hero, Donovan... it's cool and all but you can't really compare those two teams!

[Bio-Age]

``Alas, poor HawkeN7x! I knew him, RaenImrahl: a fellow
of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy: he hath
borne me on his back a thousand times; and now, how
abhorred in my imagination it is! my gorge rims at
it``

DA2 will forever be an inferior product to Origins.

Modifié par Bio-Age, 26 juin 2011 - 12:23 .

[VanDraegon]

HawkeN7x wrote...

i agree with the OP. his posts are fact imho. too many bash DA2

rofl, pathetic.

[jlb524]

I liked both games (DA2 more), but agree that Origins can be a bit overrated by some on these forums especially when comparing it to DA2.

[furryrage59]

The Quin'ari look better.

That's about it, everything else is a giant leap backwards (imo)

[billy the squid]

furryrage59 wrote...

The Quin'ari look better.

That's about it, everything else is a giant leap backwards (imo)

I think they're okay, I'm not crazy about the fact that they don't wear any armour when as you read the codex entries by brother genetivi in DAO it speaks of them clad in shining steel armour and more advanced that those native to Thedas. But, I think this is typical of a lot of DA2, disregard the lore and events, shoe horn in new gimicks and retcon the characters in the name of change and innovation.  

Modifié par billy the squid, 26 juin 2011 - 12:49 .

[RaenImrahl]

billy the squid wrote...

I think they're okay, I'm not crazy about the fact that they don't wear any armour when as you read the codex entries by brother genetivi in DAO it speaks of them clad in shining steel armour and more advanced that those native to Thedas.

*snip*

  

I remembered that, too.  I assumed the Q's in Kirkwall were all sailors, having been shipwrecked there, and did not represent the true soldiery of the Qun.

[lionalio87]

Man, it seems that you've made a very hot thread, OP , don't let it so overheat:)

I've just started to read your opinions. But there's something I didn't catch much. You say that DA:O has been overrated, nevertheless it seems that in the RPG genre, this should be a great piece, after all. I agree that the story of DA:O is a little rambling, but overall, it's still good. The fact that we get a lot of origins will provide differences in the main story, which can make the story interesting and rich.

For DA2, I agree that the main story is more concentrated (except Act 1, which is a little crambling), but the fact we don't get much origins can make the game not so rich like the previous one. The quality of the story is fine, in my opinion, but it has fallen a little deep in solving the crisis in the society, which can draw the game far from its category: fantasy game. DA2 has a good story but not so rich and vary.

About the companions, combat, gameplay, in my point of view, although DA2 is better that DA:O:), nevertheless there are still more things to do to improve it, after all.

DA:O maybe the first game to achieve many success because it bring the new cool wind to the community. So I don't surprise much if it is too overrated. . For DA2, Bioware have their reason when they want to make a different sequence of DA:O, they don't want the game to be duplicated, and so they create DA2 with different story, characters, gameplay, etc, and it seems that they are on the right way. They could have created better DA2, but, they have made many flaws on that game:(, so it must have reduced the value of the game too much. 

I feel very satisfied for DA:O, but also feel sorry for DA2 (I feel more sorry than dissapointing ), it could have been a better game, which deserve more acclaim than decry.

[MorrigansLove]

DA2 is pathetic when it comes to remembering lore.

[Rokky94]

I still can't figure out why there were no female dwarves in DA2.

[Melca36]

As I said before...... They are both flawed games.

But txgoldrush, Origins did win a great deal of awards. Please keep that in mind when you bash it. You are not making your point by bashing it. People will NOT take you seriously when you bash and dismiss something they love.

DA: Origins and DA:2 are both fun game and they are NOT flawless by any means.

If DA:2 had six months more of development and less filler and depth-less side quests, it probably would have end up being better than it was.

[billy the squid]

RaenImrahl wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

I think they're okay, I'm not crazy about the fact that they don't wear any armour when as you read the codex entries by brother genetivi in DAO it speaks of them clad in shining steel armour and more advanced that those native to Thedas.

*snip*

  

I remembered that, too.  I assumed the Q's in Kirkwall were all sailors, having been shipwrecked there, and did not represent the true soldiery of the Qun.

See that's part of the problem, we are forced to assume, when DA2 had the potential to greatly expand upon the Qunari, which I would have appreciated. Changes aside which will depend on one's attitude towards the game's direction and prefrence, the game felt rushed, as if the developers realised they had tried to take on too much in one go.

I would have prefered DA2 to have dealt with either the Qunari and a potential greater invasion of the Free Marches or the Mage Templar conflict, rather it tried to do both and didn't really give enough depth to them, which in turn would have given greater scope for exploration of the independent city states of the Free Marches or potentially the involvement of the Wardens. Consider the political situation of the Anderfels where the Wardens essentially govern. Whilst the rule of the Arling of Amaranthine was implied to be the first push by the First Warden at Weisshaupt to secure the order's dominance in other provinces beyond their need to combat the blight.

Again it allows for scope and greater player involevement. Limiting things to Kirkwall is not necessarily bad, but one sees very little beyond Kirkwall which is a shame really.

Modifié par billy the squid, 26 juin 2011 - 01:11 .

[DownyTif]

 Wow, I feel entertained. I won't even bother to argue with the OP, nothing makes sense in what I read. Actually, I will just post a link to a personal review I made which says it all for me. There is a huge wall between my opinion an the OP.

By the way, it contains SPOILERS.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/304/index/7233889

[FieryDove]

furryrage59 wrote...

The Quin'ari look better.

That's about it, everything else is a giant leap backwards (imo)

If they give them back the purple eyes instead of what they have now I'm good with the Quanri's new look. But alas...

[element eater]

txgoldrush wrote...
. Usually, if its a bad game, people just ignore it. But people trash this game like there is nothing better to do, then constantly compare it to its predecessor which has significant and major flaws as well.

i should start by saying I dont like da2 much. Obviosuly some people go a bit far in there hatred but the reason they do this is because they had such high hopes for a sequel to origins.  Seeing a thing u like that much get destroyed is ofcourse going to make u angry its only natural given how much they invested into the franchise. Most bad games dont come with this level of attachment or expectation and hence dont generate any real response.

I loved dao obviously it had some flaws but that doesn't mean it wasnt a great game I think one of the bigest reasons  people regard it so highly is that it was heralded as a return to the days of BG which to many was the the zenith of the bioware and even the genre. DA2 however represents pretty much the mirror opposite of this even Laidlaw pretty much said it had done a 180 in terms of style.   

Modifié par element eater, 26 juin 2011 - 01:42 .

[Romantiq]

Rokky94 wrote...

I still can't figure out why there were no female dwarves in DA2.

They are probably in future dlc. But you'll have to give them your money.
By the way. Qunari don't look better or worse. They all look the same now in DA2 but with zomg wtf horns. What an awesome effin improvement. 

Modifié par Romantiq, 26 juin 2011 - 02:09 .

[Serpieri Nei]

Romantiq wrote...

Rokky94 wrote...

I still can't figure out why there were no female dwarves in DA2.

They are probably in future dlc. But you'll have to give them your money.
By the way. Qunari don't look better or worse. They all look the same now in DA2 but with zomg wtf horns. What an awesome effin improvement. 

I have the answer to this. See Picture Below

[Uzzy]

txgoldrush wrote...

I am not sayin the lore is comaprable to the LOTR however, elements of the main plot in DAO are comparable too much so to simply ignore. You cannot deny the Ostagar was inspired and similiar (not the same, similiar) to Osgilith of ROTK.

A fanatsy story should offer something fresh and new, and outside of some of the side plots, DAO just doesn't do that while its peers like The Witcher and Mask of the Betrayer did.

Why?

Seriously, what do you have against the use of an excellent formula such as the Heroes Journey? You may not like it, but you cannot deny that Dragon Age: Origins is a very good example of it, creating a deeply involving and well written fantasy epic.

Now, if you prefer a more personal story such as that offered in Mask of the Betrayer, that's great. Mask of the Betrayer was amazing. Dragon Age II, however, was utter cack in comparison, and fails on just about every level.

[Chromie]

Uzzy wrote...

Now, if you prefer a more personal story such as that offered in Mask of the Betrayer, that's great. Mask of the Betrayer was amazing. Dragon Age II, however, was utter cack in comparison, and fails on just about every level.

Every Bioware game is bad in comparison. 

[KnightofPhoenix]

I am only going to address the story as its my main gripe with this game.

I agree that DA:O's overall story was meh. I agree it was cliche. I agree that DA2's story, in concept, is more interesting to me. Key word. Concept.

The execution however was very bad imo. No matter how interesting the concept is, if they failed at its execution, then a mediocre cliched concept with a decent execution is still going to be more decent in my eyes. I don't play a game for its concepts only, but mainly for what it offers and how it offers it. What DA2 offered and how it offered it, and its presumption at addressing complex political issues, was little short of being laughable to me. I said it once and I will say it again, probably the only way for me to enjoy the story is if I look at it as a political / social satire, with its grand symphony of incompetence, idiocy and lunacy mixed with demons, unknown artifacts and a PC that only knows how to kill. If I don't look at it this way, I'd just find it annoying and incredibly uninteresting.

Origins had its flaws. A lot of them in fact. But the fact that they did not break my enjoyment, is a testimony that I found the way it handled the story, characters (whom you'd claim are one dimensional) and lore to be interesting enough for me to turn a pseudo-blind eye. But DA2 offered none of the sort to me. So its flaws when it comes to writing become glaring. Painfully so.

DA2 had great ideas and I only wish that Bioware even tried to implement them properly (for some, even tried to implement them at all. I don't think they even did). But I didn't pay for ideas.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 26 juin 2011 - 02:55 .