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Hmm, strong plot for Origins. Debatable. I still can't get over how the miltary saviour of Ferelden abandons the field, knowing full well this would allow the Darkspawn to gain the upper hand and wipe out a large section of the forces required to deal with it. And decimate some of his beloved country in the process. Given the great strategist he is supposed to be his actions certainly were dramatic but not exactly smart. Or believable.
Well, perhaps someone can point me to a real life historical battle where a general has abandoned an army to the oncoming advance of an invading force and what that means strategically. Because of a personal grudge.
Military strategist. The game shows clearly that as a political one, Loghain is quite bad.
I found Loghain to be quite poorly written, unlike some other prominent major Bioware antagonists like Saren, Sun Li, Malak, or Irenicus.
You found Loghain poorly written but Meredith a deep interesting personality? Well Loghain was introduced at the very beginning of DAO. You see his betrayal of Cailan, you get discussion between him and Anora. You see how Loghain struggles to believe that there is a real blight. All the intrigues that he starts, poisons the Arl, allows slave hunters to deport elves as slaves. How he defamed the wardens, spreading lies about who betrayed Cailan.
I dont like Loghain, but he was certainly not poor written. And thats not subjective.
Yep, and if you talk to Anora and Arl Eamon they both give you an insight, all be it brief into Loghain's character and the possible driving force behind his actions. Personally I really liked Loghain as the main antagonist, rather than being a moustache twirling villain who is simply evil there is actual reasoning, however warped, behind many actions.
The sacrifice at Ostagar appears more the desperate act of a man who sees the potential return of the Orlesians, through the marriage of Cailan and the Empress of Orlais once the marriage to his daughter Anora is dissolved. It was the best opportunity to remove Calin, considering Loghain didn't belive that the Darkspawn were an actual threat, a raid rather than a blight the sarcifice of the wardens and some men to remove a weak king was worth it.
In addition Arl Eamon's discussion with Calin about putting Anora aside, the Return to Ostagar letters between Celine and Calin, Loghain himself comments on it if one takes him along. Thus his war to evict the Orlesians from Ferelden would have come to naught had the marriage taken place making Ferelden a de facto province of Orlais.
Whilst the conflict between Calin and Logahin at Ostagar is already evident when one speaks to a soldier and Loghain's comments about the orlesian's coming to help
"How fortunate Maric did not live to see his son hand Ferelden over to those who had enslaved us for a century"
Loghain really paints the picture of a good man blinded by old grudges, willing to carry out some rather unsavory acts to protect Ferelden, but failing to see the true threat of the blight.
Meredith, there is very little character detail whatsoever and the lirium idol is a cheap gimick to turn her into a villain, she's bad, because she's mad. to do justice to such antagonists they need character exposition. Thus one's opinion changes over the game, as more is revealed, culminating in decisions like the Landsmeet, were Loghain had reasons to do what he did. Finally you are given an option and Alistair gives a glimpse of the fact he is almost as idealistic as Calin in his refusal to allow Lohgain to live, made me question his fitness to be king.
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