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[demonic_cookie]

Ah, the religion. How fun. Maybe Ashley is a quaker, though. Recently had a quaker minister come to my city on a religious journey, she handed out brochures about accepting people of all orientations. Helped our Orthodox LGBT group a lot too, coached them how to respond to fundamentalists.

Let's face it, if the game contains s/s relationships that can't be written off as "oh she's an alien", 'the conservative element' will not be appeased by anything, Ashley or no Ashley. So let's just hope they simply do it right and people will deal. I for one think the controversy will be good for the sales.

[shepskisaac]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Alright. You want Kaidan? You got him (from me, at least). I'd (DEFINITELY) rather not, but I think we can allow ONE old character for s/s romance, and since he's the most popular, wouldn't that be the best choice?

But no one else, alright?

Sarcasm aside, it wouldn't be a bad 'compromise' that old characters, which would've been available as s/s LIs in ME1/ME2 if it wasn't for time constraints, should be the ones to be made available in ME3. That means Kaidan & Ashley and Jack & Thane (if these 2 are even squadmates in ME3 of course). Since bisexuality was compatible with their characters back then during ME1 & ME2 developement (but cut due to time constraints), it means it's compatible with their characters now as well.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 29 juin 2011 - 09:10 .

[shepskisaac]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...
Since they are romances, I think we'll be seeing  Jack and Thane as squadmates in ME3. But they were compatible with being bi in ME2's development?

My point is that they will have continued romance, but I doubt there'll be even time to start a new romance with them. Casey's already said not all LIs will be perma squaddies. Since we know Ash/Kaidan, Tali, Garrus & Liara are confirmed as either perma or major squaddies, that leaves Jack, Thane, Miranda and Jacob as likely to get limited to the NPC/temp-squaddie roles. In such scenario there's no really time to start a romance from scratch. Many people predict for example it will be possible to start a new (straight) romance with Ash/Kaidan, Liara, Tali & Garrus if we didn't do that in the previous games and considering these characters will be either perma or major squaddies, there would definitely be enough time/dialogues with the characters to pull it off. But if old LIs like Jack ,Thane, Miranda & Jacob are not in the squad, or only for a very short period of time, then rather obviously there won't be enough time to make 'romances from scratch' available for them, no matter straight or bi romances. Plus I cannot imagine BW having time to write separate "romance from scratch" AND a continued romance stories for every single old LI, there's just too many of them.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 29 juin 2011 - 09:57 .

[Estelindis]

If Kaidan is a possible LI for ManShep in ME3, I only hope that it will not be possible for new ME3 FemSheps to romance him (excluding those who use the ME2 or ME3 comic to make him their ME1 choice). Either your FemShep chose him in ME1 and has waited for him through the long stretch of ME2 loneliness, or your ManShep burned a hidden candle for years and can now share the light of it in ME3. I don't want to see characters who already had a chance to romance him and rejected it having second thoughts and starting anew in ME3.

Both FemShep and ManShep can agree that Kaidan is worth the wait. I don't think any character who disagrees deserves him, frankly. :-)

[wheelyjon]

Estelindis wrote...



Both FemShep and ManShep can agree that Kaidan is worth the wait. I don't think any character who disagrees deserves him, frankly. :-)

 HEAR HEAR

[Rinji the Bearded]

Estelindis wrote...

If Kaidan is a possible LI for ManShep in ME3, I only hope that it will not be possible for new ME3 FemSheps to romance him (excluding those who use the ME2 or ME3 comic to make him their ME1 choice). Either your FemShep chose him in ME1 and has waited for him through the long stretch of ME2 loneliness, or your ManShep burned a hidden candle for years and can now share the light of it in ME3. I don't want to see characters who already had a chance to romance him and rejected it having second thoughts and starting anew in ME3.

Both FemShep and ManShep can agree that Kaidan is worth the wait. I don't think any character who disagrees deserves him, frankly. :-)

See, I have no idea how that is gonna work.   Former romances are going to be continued of course, but does this mean that only the new LIs will be available to initiate romance in ME3, or is there just merely a sense of completion if one was to carry a romance across all three (or just two) games?  It would kinda suck for people just starting out in ME3 (or...for people who were not physically able to romance anyone from ME1 and 2 without mod shenanigans) were not able to take advantage of the great romances already available.  It's not as if a non-import ME3 Shepard is showing up to this conflict all of a sudden.  I'm guessing they'll have some kind of "canon" for non-import Shepards if they don't release something like the comic for ME1 or what have you.

So many unanswered questions!

[ElitePinecone]

RinjiRenee wrote...
 I'm guessing they'll have some kind of "canon" for non-import Shepards if they don't release something like the comic for ME1 or what have you.

So many unanswered questions!

Casey Hudson suggested that there woud be some sort of comic similar to Genesis, but they haven't decided on specifics.

It's bizarre, players who didn't play ME/ME2 and who select a romance via the comic (assuming romance is a choice in there) are going to be thrown into a fully-fledged trilogy-spanning relationship without actually having experienced any of it. 

I don't think, though, that the dialogue for an imported femShep and a hypothetical maleShep for, say, Kaidan would be the same, if he were available for S/S in ME3. The way writers have talked about continuity and actually having to write a fair bit of romance dialogue suggests it'll be approached differently, if it is indeed confirmed.

Also, assuming there are new characters (and some of them are available for romances, of whatever type), how are Bioware going to approach them? Can imported players ignore both their ME and ME2 romaces and go for a new squadmate? Rekindle with an ME squaddie if they chose Liara or no one in ME? 

It's all very confusing, complicated and probably contested. I certainly don't envy Bioware's writing team in having to plan out, write and code all of the possible scenarios (although, secretly, I do envy them )

[Rinji the Bearded]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Casey Hudson suggested that there woud be some sort of comic similar to Genesis, but they haven't decided on specifics.

It's bizarre, players who didn't play ME/ME2 and who select a romance via the comic (assuming romance is a choice in there) are going to be thrown into a fully-fledged trilogy-spanning relationship without actually having experienced any of it. 

I don't think, though, that the dialogue for an imported femShep and a hypothetical maleShep for, say, Kaidan would be the same, if he were available for S/S in ME3. The way writers have talked about continuity and actually having to write a fair bit of romance dialogue suggests it'll be approached differently, if it is indeed confirmed.

Also, assuming there are new characters (and some of them are available for romances, of whatever type), how are Bioware going to approach them? Can imported players ignore both their ME and ME2 romaces and go for a new squadmate? Rekindle with an ME squaddie if they chose Liara or no one in ME? 

It's all very confusing, complicated and probably contested. I certainly don't envy Bioware's writing team in having to plan out, write and code all of the possible scenarios (although, secretly, I do envy them )

If I had to approach a male s/s romance for Kaidan, I'd keep the f/m romance just the way as intended, but then would have him open for m/m.  There would be dialogue specific for f/m and m/m because of this, and I'm sure there would be complaints, but technically you could keep the WOO-HOO scene relatively the same.  But does this mean that one should be able to open him up for a NEW f/m relationship as well?  I almost think the "Genesis" comic for ME3 would HAVE to have something like a romance toggle, as odd as that would be...

*holds head* I have no idea!

[Estelindis]

RinjiRenee wrote...

It would kinda suck for people just starting out in ME3 (or...for people who were not physically able to romance anyone from ME1 and 2 without mod shenanigans) were not able to take advantage of the great romances already available.  It's not as if a non-import ME3 Shepard is showing up to this conflict all of a sudden.

Of course a non-import ME3 Shep has covered all the plot-crucial points, but that doesn't mean he or she is in a romance.  Not everyone likes romances and Bioware certainly isn't going to force them on new players.  But, as I said, assuming we get some kind of abilty to set past decisions similar to the Genesis comic, which would allow new ME3 players to set one of the ME1 or ME2 characters as their romance (or even one of each, for insta-cheating), those Shepards should be able to "continue" the romance.  After all, people often play through the first games and then lose savegames for whatever reason.  They've waited patiently too, and shouldn't be excluded.

Mind you, I'm not sure I see the value of inserting totally new players into these intricate relationship and histories without much context.  Bioware seems to have taken entirely the opposite approach when it comes to the default Shep for ME2: pretty much everyone who could have been killed off was killed off.  I'm not entirely sure why they'd change their approach now.

RinjiRenee wrote...

If I had to approach a male s/s romance for Kaidan, I'd keep the f/m romance just the way as intended, but then would have him open for m/m.  There would be dialogue specific for f/m and m/m because of this, and I'm sure there would be complaints, but technically you could keep the WOO-HOO scene relatively the same.

One could, but one should not - very much not, in the strongest possible terms.  There should be a difference between a first consummation and the reunion of past lovers, and not just in dialogue.

I hope you understand that my vehemence comes from having to wait years for a resumption of this relationship, being disappointed in ME2, and then having to wait years again.  FemShep players whose characters romanced Kaidan don't just want things to go back to the square one of their first night together - and, while I can't speak for ManShep players interested in the romance, I don't see why they should have to miss out on the tenderness of the romance's beginning.  There needs to be an entirely different progression for both contingents.

Does that mean I think Bioware will rise to the challenge?  I hope so, but I don't know.  All I know is that this is a challenge they set themselves, not one we've set up for them; Bioware decided to create a trilogy with a romantic consummation at the end of the first chapter.  If they don't meet that challenge, they'll have let themselves down before they let down any of us.

Modifié par Estelindis, 30 juin 2011 - 02:25 .

[PMC65]

Estelindis wrote...

*snip*

Does that mean I think Bioware will rise to the challenge?  I hope so, but I don't know.  All I know is that this is a challenge they set themselves, not one we've set up for them; Bioware decided to create a trilogy with a romantic consummation at the end of the first chapter.  If they don't meet that challenge, they'll have let themselves down before they let down any of us.

100% agree there ... The ME team knew the challenge that they were undertaking. They put all the possibilities into the game and said "player .... here are your options. Challenge us!" To then get to the final game and say "Well, because we gave you all these options ... you couldn't expect us to really be able to keep up?"

I can only imagine the board with the option tree  ...

BW 1: "OK, if gamer romanced Ash but then moved on to Jack ..."
BW 2: "And Jack survives the SM ...."
BW 1: "No, we are looking at if she died, how that would impact-"
BW 3: "Are we working on the rachni queen?"
BW 1 & 2 : "Not yet!"

Ali Hillis (Liara) said in an interview something along the lines that they receive stacks of dialogue because of all the choices. I can only imagine what the VA's to Shepard receive. 

I am hoping that both Ash & Kaidan are romanceable to both genders and that the "confessions" of attraction by Shepard are well-writtten and emotional. My femshep # 2 has been in love with Ash for years now and I stopped playing her in ME2 because she just seems so sad. Now that there is "potential" for a romance, I'm glad that I didn't delete her ... yes, I know you can cheat to romance her, but I don't like tweaking games. The purist in me, I guess.  

[Rinji the Bearded]

Estelindis wrote...

Of course a non-import ME3 Shep has covered all the plot-crucial points, but that doesn't mean he or she is in a romance.  Not everyone likes romances and Bioware certainly isn't going to force them on new players.  But, as I said, assuming we get some kind of abilty to set past decisions similar to the Genesis comic, which would allow new ME3 players to set one of the ME1 or ME2 characters as their romance (or even one of each, for insta-cheating), those Shepards should be able to "continue" the romance.  After all, people often play through the first games and then lose savegames for whatever reason.  They've waited patiently too, and shouldn't be excluded.

Mind you, I'm not sure I see the value of inserting totally new players into these intricate relationship and histories without much context.  Bioware seems to have taken entirely the opposite approach when it comes to the default Shep for ME2: pretty much everyone who could have been killed off was killed off.  I'm not entirely sure why they'd change their approach now.

They've definitely got their work cut out for them, that's for sure.  I don't envy them at all.

Estelindis wrote...
One could, but one should not - very much not, in the strongest possible terms.  There should be a difference between a first consummation and the reunion of past lovers, and not just in dialogue.

I hope you understand that my vehemence comes from having to wait years for a resumption of this relationship, being disappointed in ME2, and then having to wait years again.  FemShep players whose characters romanced Kaidan don't just want things to go back to the square one of their first night together.  There needs to be an entirely different progression for them compared to those just starting the romance.

Does that mean I think Bioware will rise to the challenge?  I hope so, but I don't know.  All I know is that this is a challenge they set themselves, not one we've set up for them; Bioware decided to create a trilogy with a romantic consummation at the end of the first chapter.  If they don't meet that challenge, they'll have let themselves down before they let down any of us.

I understand where you're coming from.  I bet a lot of Kaidanmancers were a bit pissed with the Horizon confrontation and the simple portrait scene.  I understand that the e-mail he sends is supposed to fill in a bit of a gap but yeah, total blueballsing, lol.  

I saw the Ash/Kaidan romances a little differently since I didn't romance them, I suppose.  Shepard dies, and at that moment, the relationship is considered over by Kaidan and Ash (obviously).  They "move on" so to speak, though we see their heartbreak all over again when they are encountered on Horizon. They pretty much end the relationship once again, and neither of their e-mails seem to say that they intend on continuing the relationship.  There's a HINT that they might consider it, especially given the vague line at the end of Kaidan's e-mail, but for all intents and purposes, they say "We're not the same people that we were two years ago, and I'm not so sure about 'us' anymore."  This was supposed to allow the player to perhaps not feel so awful when they ran to the arms of another. 

On that note, I really hate how people call it "cheating" when Kaidan/Ash both give Shepard the impression that it's pretty much finito between them. It's not cheating when the first relationship has already been cut off by one of the parties.  I will be PISSED if Kaidan or Ash get angry at Shepard for running to the arms of another.  I'm sure they will acknowledge the night on Ilos in ME3, and give those people who have carried the romance across three games some kind of special treatment, but I really don't think this will come in the form of some extra WOOHOO or cutscene.  It will likely be extra dialogue and animation, or at least that what makes sense to me.

However, you can't rule out that they kind of want to throw the s/s people a bone after being pretty much ignored for two games, either.   I'm hoping there's some kind of excellent reward waiting for them as well.  If they make Kaidan or Ash s/s, the dialogue would have to be mostly different of course, but in a way, they were kinda "loyal" to them all this time.  Sorta.    Just without the pre-Ilos coitus.

( I hope you read the joke in that, it wasn't all too serious. )

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 30 juin 2011 - 03:15 .

[PMC65]

RinjiRenee wrote...

*snip*
On that note, I really hate how people call it "cheating" when Kaidan/Ash both give Shepard the impression that it's pretty much finito between them. It's not cheating when the first relationship has already been cut off by one of the parties.  I will be PISSED if Kaidan or Ash get angry at Shepard for running to the arms of another.  I'm sure they will acknowledge the night on Ilos in ME3, and give those people who have carried the romance across three games some kind of special treatment, but I really don't think this will come in the form of some extra WOOHOO or cutscene.  It will likely be extra dialogue and animation, or at least that what makes sense to me.
*snip*

I guess that would depend on your Shepard and how you see that relationship. My Shepard that romanced Ash was clearly "unfaithful" when he strayed. Ash is really hurt on Horizon and I can't blame her. Where the frack has Shepard been for 2 years? We (the player) know but not the VS and to be honest if someone said "I've been dead for 2 years ...." 

Per CHud, if you cheated on your ME1 romance it will come back on you at one of the worst possible times. Not sure what he means, but ....... at least the m/m & f/f relationships will not have that to worry about. Score one for the rainbow team! Unless your f/f relationship is Liara and then you are screwed anyway ... "Why is my bank account empty?Shadow broker?"

[shepskisaac]

Estelindis wrote...
I hope you understand that my vehemence comes from having to wait years for a resumption of this relationship, being disappointed in ME2, and then having to wait years again.  FemShep players whose characters romanced Kaidan don't just want things to go back to the square one of their first night together - and, while I can't speak for ManShep players interested in the romance, I don't see why they should have to miss out on the tenderness of the romance's beginning.  There needs to be an entirely different progression for both contingents.

Agree. Continued FemShep romance with Kaidan can't be the same as the new ManShep romance with Kaidan. These 2 relationships are different, started differently, progressed differently. Even if there always was an unspoken attraction between ManShep and Kaidan, it wasn't consumed yet and they weren't 'officially' together like FemShep and Kaidan were.

[Volus Warlord]

So they are making everyone bisexual. Good to know.

Modifié par Volus Warlord, 30 juin 2011 - 03:28 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Volus Warlord wrote...

So they are making everyone bisexual. Good to know.

If the VS count as everyone then yes, you are correct.

[shepskisaac]

Volus Warlord wrote...

So they are making everyone bisexual. Good to know.

Yes, of course. Kaidan = everyone. No doubt. Not to mention Casey's alreadu confirmed not all old character will be available as s/s option, only some (if not just one):
twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/70154686367404032

Some game sites saying "previously straight chars now available for both
m&f chars" not necessarily true. Will have some new LI's in #ME3

Modifié par IsaacShep, 30 juin 2011 - 04:17 .

[Estelindis]

RinjiRenee wrote...

They've definitely got their work cut out for them, that's for sure.  I don't envy them at all.

No joke.  They may have set themselves up for all this work, but that doesn't mean I envy them at all. No, I wouldn't give my right arm to be part of Bioware, no, not me...  :innocent:  I mean, what good would I do them without my arm...?  Ahem.  Do I protest too much?

I saw the Ash/Kaidan romances a little differently since I didn't romance them, I suppose.  Shepard dies, and at that moment, the relationship is considered over by Kaidan and Ash (obviously). 

Well, yes - death does have a certain finality to it.  There'd be something wrong with them if they tried to continue a relationship with a dead person, right?

They "move on" so to speak, though we see their heartbreak all over again when they are encountered on Horizon. They pretty much end the relationship once again, and neither of their e-mails seem to say that they intend on continuing the relationship.  There's a HINT that they might consider it, especially given the vague line at the end of Kaidan's e-mail, but for all intents and purposes, they say "We're not the same people that we were two years ago, and I'm not so sure about 'us' anymore."  This was supposed to allow the player to perhaps not feel so awful when they ran to the arms of another. 

Though I don't disagree totally with every point, I can't say I agree either.  To my mind, the encounter on Horizon doesn't end anything - it's just a massive overload of strong emotions.  It's not Ash or Kai saying that they don't want to be with Shepard, but a rebellion on the part of their minds when they try to square the Shepard they knew and loved with a Shepard standing in front of them who seems to be working with Cerberus.  For the last two years, Shepard has been alive to varying degrees in their minds, as a memory and a loss they've been trying to deal with.  Their feelings with regard to Shepard have surely undergone a lot of change, finally settling on resolution as Ashley and Kaidan let themselves move on...  Then there's the massive shock that says Shepard is alive and s/he doesn't even seem to be the person they thought.  The encounter on Horizon lasts mere moments and simply expresses some extremely conflicted feelings, along with the one thing they could never feel conflict about: they won't betray the Alliance and work for Cerberus.  The email afterwards expresses doubt and uncertainty (maybe there's more to it than Shepard clearly being in the wrong; maybe Shep had no choice but to work with Cerberus, even though Cerberus can't be trusted) and shows that they've had time for reflection since then.  I think that neither Ashley or Kaidan makes a claim upon Shepard with the email (there's certainly no "don't sleep around, you're mine!"), and I think *Bioware* intended the Horizon+email sequence to encourage people to try other LIs...  But for anyone whose Shepard was properly committed to Ash or Kai, I think there's no material that can be really taken as a break-up.  It's more a total absence of anything, whether a commitment to continue or one to end things.  The relationship is basically in limbo until they can meet face to face again and decide things one way or the other.

On that note, I really hate how people call it "cheating" when Kaidan/Ash both give Shepard the impression that it's pretty much finito between them. It's not cheating when the first relationship has already been cut off by one of the parties. 

"Cheating" is just shorthand on my part - and, I realise, not the most useful of descriptions in terms of anything but brevity.  It is a phrase Bioware have used.  For my part, I think it applies in come cases, but not all.  Clearly, neither Kaidan or Ashley could be accused of cheating if they started a relationship with someone else.  They thought Shepard was dead.  Case closed.  Whether Shepard cheated or not really depends on how he or she saw the relationship in the first place and whether or not s/he thought it would be kinder to assume things were over due to the two year gap.  I think most of us would admit, though, that it would be cheating if we tried to keep both ME1 and ME2 romances going, or if we just used the ME2 romance as a stopgap until the ME1 LI came back.  That would be pretty cold.

I will be PISSED if Kaidan or Ash get angry at Shepard for running to the arms of another. 

I don't think they'd get angry.  I think they might be sad or regretful, through maybe putting a brave face on it and wishing Shepard happiness with the new person.  I only think they'd get angry if Shepard tried to resume a relationship in spite of romancing a character from ME2 - and then, frankly, I think Shep would deserve the anger.

However, you can't rule out that they kind of want to throw the s/s people a bone after being pretty much ignored for two games, either.   I'm hoping there's some kind of excellent reward waiting for them as well.  If they make Kaidan or Ash s/s, the dialogue would have to be mostly different of course, but in a way, they were kinda "loyal" to them all this time.  Sorta.    Just without the pre-Ilos coitus.

No no, I totally get that, though I admit it's taken me a little while to come around to the idea (with the help some of great debate with IsaacShep and AngelicMachinery).  I'm sure you can understand if those of us who already romanced Kaidan are a bit possessive about it, given that we've defended his character for years and had to put up for with so many people making fun of him, boasting that they killed him on Virmire or dumped him for a new LI in ME2, etc.  We just sat tight and stayed faithful.  So, even if it feels to me like lots are jumping on the bandwagon now, I have to take a step back and admit that s/s campaigners aren't doing so - many s/s fans wanted Kaidan from the start, just as we did.  And, if I'm going to be totally honest, fans of Kaidan should really welcome even those who, unlike long-term s/s fans, are actually jumping on the bandwagon (because, ooh, look at Kaidan's cool new armour, or whatever).  The more the merrier, right?  It just feels a bit odd initially.  ;-)

IsaacShep wrote...

Estelindis wrote...
There needs to be an entirely different progression for both contingents.

Agree.  Continued FemShep romance with Kaidan can't be the same as the new ManShep romance with Kaidan. These 2 relationships are different, started differently, progressed differently. Even if there always was an unspoken attraction between ManShep and Kaidan, it wasn't consumed yet and they weren't 'officially' together like FemShep and Kaidan were.

I'm glad you see where I'm coming from.  Actually, it can be a massive plus.  Just like the romances with Garrus and Tali had a different buildup because of the way they were friends with Shep in ME1, any s/s romance with a character from ME1 can turn the previous games' interaction into very poignant material: the idea that Shep and Kaidan (or whoever) missed out on so much due to hesitation, and seemed to have been parted forever (with Shepard's death) without having shared how they felt, could end up being the most touching romance development for many players.  :-)

Modifié par Estelindis, 30 juin 2011 - 04:25 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Estelindis wrote...

No no, I totally get that, though I admit it's taken me a little while to come around to the idea (with the help some of great debate with IsaacShep and AngelicMachinery).  I'm sure you can understand if those of us who already romanced Kaidan are a bit possessive about it, given that we've defended his character for years and had to put up for with so many people making fun of him, boasting that they killed him on Virmire or dumped him for a new LI in ME2, etc.  We just sat tight and stayed faithful.  So, even if it feels to me like lots are jumping on the bandwagon now, I have to take a step back and admit that s/s campaigners aren't doing so - many s/s fans wanted Kaidan from the start, just as we did.  And, if I'm going to be totally honest, fans of Kaidan should really welcome even those who, unlike long-term s/s fans, are actually jumping on the bandwagon (because, ooh, look at Kaidan's cool new armour, or whatever).  The more the merrier, right?  It just feels a bit odd initially.  ;-)

Agreed, all fans of Kaidan should band together, whether they play femshep or manshep.  I'll be pretty bummed if he turns out not to be s/s, but... y'know, what can one do.  I'm not gonna begrudge femshep players for getting a piece of 'dat Kaidan.

[Estelindis]

RinjiRenee wrote...
Agreed, all fans of Kaidan should band together, whether they play femshep or manshep.  I'll be pretty bummed if he turns out not to be s/s, but... y'know, what can one do.  I'm not gonna begrudge femshep players for getting a piece of 'dat Kaidan.

That is exceedingly open-hearted of you.  Actually, every s/s fan I've discussed this topic with has been so wonderful that even though I was initially opposed to it (for purely selfish reasons, frankly), I would now be disappointed on your behalf if you didn't get what you want.  Fans of Kaidan should indeed unite.  Hugs for all! 
<3

Modifié par Estelindis, 30 juin 2011 - 04:34 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

Estelindis wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...
Agreed, all fans of Kaidan should band together, whether they play femshep or manshep.  I'll be pretty bummed if he turns out not to be s/s, but... y'know, what can one do.  I'm not gonna begrudge femshep players for getting a piece of 'dat Kaidan.

That is exceedingly open-hearted of you.  Actually, every s/s fan I've discussed this topic with has been so wonderful that even though I was initially opposed to it (for purely selfish reasons, frankly), I would now be disappointed on your behalf if you didn't get what you want.  Fans of Kaidan should indeed unite.  Hugs for all! 
<3

<3 It's been an uphill battle, promised s/s has given us some hope.  But at this point, beggars can't be choosers.

So when we hear news about Mr. Sbarge talking about s/s, we get our hopes up...!

[Estelindis]

Let's hope any such recorded lines will be used, then, and Mr. Sbarge's optimism holds through. You definitely have my support!

[shepskisaac]

Estelindis wrote...
I'm glad you see where I'm coming from.  Actually, it can be a massive plus.  Just like the romances with Garrus and Tali had a different buildup because of the way they were friends with Shep in ME1, any s/s romance with a character from ME1 can turn the previous games' interaction into very poignant material: the idea that Shep and Kaidan (or whoever) missed out on so much due to hesitation, and seemed to have been parted forever (with Shepard's death) without having shared how they felt, could end up being the most touching romance development for many players.  :-)

Which is precisely one of the reasons why I'm hoping for Kaidan s/s romance so much. At this point, with ME1 & ME2 already out and lacking gay romance, gay players will never have a chance to experience a true trilogy-spanning romance like straight and lesbian gamers can. But having Kaidan as the s/s option in ME3 would at least make it feel like it's a trilogy-spanning relationship story in some way. Not only he's an amazing character, but he's with us since the beginning and just as you said, his interaction with ManShep in ME1 & ME2 could be part of the romance material in the context of the actual romance in ME3. Hope so much it will happen  It would've happened in ME1 already if it wasn't for the time constraints

Modifié par IsaacShep, 30 juin 2011 - 05:28 .

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For some reason, I disapprove of this retconning. Why wasn't he gay in the first game, then? Yes, characters can come out of the closet and change in ways that we can scarcely imagine, but it better be well written if such a romance were to believable. Shepard needs to ask Kaidan/Ashley why they weren't willing in the first game, and there better be a good reply.

However, as a Talimancer, I daresay I probably won't be pursuing a relationship with either Kaidan nor Ashley anyways.