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[Jugo616]

Carver. Hands down.

[themonty72]

Carver is a jerk. Bethany held my attention more. I glad I took her to deep roads so so she can become a warden instead Carver.

[Gabey5]

i prefer carver... come on now hawke is awesome in everything he does.. there is bound to be friction

[DarkAmaranth1966]

I like Carver better, he is more complex, and that "in Hawke's shadow" rivalry thing is great IMO. Bethany is too laid back, take what the world throws at her. I also use a mod that allows either to survive with any class Hawke, it is a bit screwy on dialog when you have the one that should have died, but the one on one interactions are there.

[sonoko]

Carver for me. I like his personality development. He is a very realistic and believable character, while Bethany (imo) is just a generic sweet girl.

[syllogi]

If you look at Carver's backstory, as the brother of a MageHawke, he is the only one in the family who doesn't *have* to be on the run. Leandra chose to run away with Malcolm. Malcolm chose to become an apostate. Hawke and Bethany do not want to join a Circle at the beginning of the game. Only Carver is living the life of a mage on the run from templars without being asked if it's what he wanted...since he's not a mage.

So what is he supposed to do? Carver goes to Ostagar to become a soldier, but even that doesn't work out, and he comes home to his family to help them escape the Blight. At the beginning of the game he is once again struggling with a destiny that he didn't ask for...and on top of that, he is jealous of an older sibling who is a natural leader. It's only natural that Carver will be resentful and unhappy during Act 1.

Bethany is sweet, and nice, but her motivation is that she wishes she could have been born noble. She's not really cut out for a life of adventure. Both siblings are worthy of saving, but if I had to choose between the two as live party members, I would bring Carver with me, and leave Bethany home with mother.

[Annarl]

I prefer Bethany but Carver does have some interesting moments. If you like the game I would recommend playing twice, choosing Bethany then Carver.

[ReallyRue]

I prefer Carver. Bethany's easier to get along with, and seems like a lovely woman, but she's just not very interesting/amusing. Her relationship with Hawke seems to be all lovey and sentimental, while Carver's is a mixture of teasing, tender moments, and arguments. He also has more character development through the game, I think.

[devilsgrin]

must agree with the majority of people here... Carver is a significantly better character than Bethany, and infinitely more fun to have around - whiny resentfulness included! Bethany goes out of her way to be non-confrontational. Once you get to Kirkwall, her dialogue becomes all "if only we'd been born here" or "i wish i'd gone to the circle" or "its my fault we've been on the run forever" Seriously? how can anyone like her. She's vile. For Act 1 alone, she's the weakest of ALL companion characters - even weaker than Sebastian, and he's not even a companion until Act 2.

Carver on the other hand, whilst a flawed PERSON, is a great Character. And could easily qualify as Act 1s deepest character. (Along with perhaps Anders and Varric). The sibling rivalry aspect is brilliantly delivered. Possibly the best writing in the game. His progression from whiny brat brother to more-mature grey warden (no Carver of mine is EVER joining the Templars (though i might subject him to it once, just to see)) then to strong independant man is the ONLY truly shown progression of any of the companion characters.

[Aetika]

Carver. Even though he can be nasty to Hawke, I feel him as family, whereas Bethany feels just like some hollow "I agree with you" companion(sorry). I couldn´t make myself to care about her. With Carver it´s always struggle, he can hurt Hawke a lot, but Hawke still loves him. It creates certain tragic aspect of their relationship, but it´s also much more rewarding emotionally(at least for me).

[Urazz]

I liked them both actually and wish both could've survived in Act 1.

[dgcatanisiri]

From a story perspective, Carver definitely brings more to the table. He feels trapped in Hawke's shadow, that every time that he attempts to get out of it and be his own person, events conspire to make him go running back to Hawke for help. That's what one of his possible fates is all about, and another involves him finding that place where he can grow into a more understanding.

Carver definitely receives more development than Bethany. She's sweet, but she's also more just... THERE, rather than being involved. Some have said that they get more of what it's like to be an apostate from her, but I personally don't see it. To me, as nice as she is, she really comes across as not much more than a magic staff on legs. I don't feel a lot of character development coming from her.

[Foolsfolly]

Bethany's a nice person. She doesn't argue with your choices and she gels with most companions really well.

Carver is abrasive. He doesn't get along with anyone.

Between the two I found the Hawke/Carver interactions more interesting. They were fun. I loved the aggressive choices with him. I loved the strained relationship between the two as they make their way as refugees in a strange city.

Bethany's just a nice girl and very much the only sane and all around good mage in the game. But she's not as interesting as Carver.

But Carver does complain a lot about being in your shadow. It gets annoying.

I didn't like Carver at first but there's no denying the fact that the relationship is more interesting than Bethany's.

[KotorEffect3]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Bethany's a nice person. She doesn't argue with your choices and she gels with most companions really well.

Carver is abrasive. He doesn't get along with anyone.

Between the two I found the Hawke/Carver interactions more interesting. They were fun. I loved the aggressive choices with him. I loved the strained relationship between the two as they make their way as refugees in a strange city.

Bethany's just a nice girl and very much the only sane and all around good mage in the game. But she's not as interesting as Carver.

But Carver does complain a lot about being in your shadow. It gets annoying.

I didn't like Carver at first but there's no denying the fact that the relationship is more interesting than Bethany's.

I disagree I don't think Carver is necessarily more interesting just more whiny and disagreeable.  Being an apostate mage it is obvious that Bethany is conflicted, she wants to be free but she is tired of running and she doesn't like having to put her family at risk for protecting her.  Carver is just a whiny jealous younger brother that is tired of being shown up by his older sibling. 

[Chuvvy]

Carver. He's an annoy ******, but a very well written annoying ******. Hats off to whoever wrote him.

[Rifneno]

I'll never understand why people think Carver is more interesting. He's exactly as one-dimensional as Bethany is. Just instead of being sweet and nice, he's a selfish whiny ******. Ever since someone made a mod on DANexus that lets you choose which one lives, I've never had Carver survive the prologue.

Bethany > Nothing at all > Carver.

[KotorEffect3]

Rifneno wrote...

I'll never understand why people think Carver is more interesting. He's exactly as one-dimensional as Bethany is. Just instead of being sweet and nice, he's a selfish whiny ******. Ever since someone made a mod on DANexus that lets you choose which one lives, I've never had Carver survive the prologue.

Bethany > Nothing at all > Carver.

If anything when Carver goes off to join the Templars I want to hit him with a fireball, way to betray your own family Carver.

[TEWR]

They're both interesting in their own ways. While I hate how Carver just has to find fault with everyone and everything and be a selfish, abrasive, and bratty ******; he finds purpose in the Wardens. Something he's longed for his whole life.


Bethany is also one of the few sane mages we meet, Merrill, Olivia (in the brief time we knew her) and Emile (despite being an idiot, he is sane) being the others because plot stupidity took precedence over actual story. Anyway, she's sweet, kind, gets along great with everyone. If I send her to the Circle, she feels comfortable living with her own people and guiding them as they become mages. She's happy there, despite it being the worst place for her because of sadistic bastards like Kerras and Alrik.


Thankfully I can roleplay my Hawke to kill Alrik not because of what he's going to do to Ella (though that certainly played a part) but because Alrik was watching Bethany. So I roleplay him as taking care of her as well as respecting her wishes.


I can't comment on Warden Bethany in terms of personality as I haven't gone that route for a long time. I haven't played DA2 for a while now, but I think Warden Bethany is better for her in a way, just as Circle Bethany is too. They both have their merits to Bethany.


Templar Carver can go f*** a cactus or have it f*** him. Either one is good. He just does that out of spite so he can be a colossal ****** to both Hawke (because now he has authority over Hawke) and to other mages.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 30 juin 2011 - 01:09 .

[KotorEffect3]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...


I can't comment on Warden Bethany in terms of personality as I haven't gone that route for a long time. I haven't played DA2 for a while now, but I think Warden Bethany is better for her in a way, just as Circle Bethany is too. They both have their merits to Bethany.


 

Warden Bethany resents Hawke because of the life their little Deep Roads excursion condemned her to so while Hawke is living the good life in Hightown she is forever tainted, has to fight darkspawn, and she is doomed to die young.  By the end of the act 3 she does come back to aide Hawke for the final battle and she forgives him realizing that he saved her life by bringing her to the wardens and comes to terms with being a Warden but in my opinion the circle is the better option for Bethany as she does love mentoring the apprentices and she is relatively safe.  I wouldn't say any of the fates for Bethany are great ones but she is happiest with the circle fate.

[TEWR]

KotorEffect3 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...


I can't comment on Warden Bethany in terms of personality as I haven't gone that route for a long time. I haven't played DA2 for a while now, but I think Warden Bethany is better for her in a way, just as Circle Bethany is too. They both have their merits to Bethany.


 

Warden Bethany resents Hawke because of the life their little Deep Roads excursion condemned her to so while Hawke is living the good life in Hightown she is forever tainted, has to fight darkspawn, and she is doomed to die young.  By the end of the act 3 she does come back to aide Hawke for the final battle and she forgives him realizing that he saved her life by bringing her to the wardens and comes to terms with being a Warden but in my opinion the circle is the better option for Bethany as she does love mentoring the apprentices and she is relatively safe.  I wouldn't say any of the fates for Bethany are great ones but she is happiest with the circle fate.

Ah yes, now I remember Warden Bethany. Thank you for that.

[Foolsfolly]

I disagree I don't think Carver is necessarily more interesting just more whiny and disagreeable. Being an apostate mage it is obvious that Bethany is conflicted, she wants to be free but she is tired of running and she doesn't like having to put her family at risk for protecting her. Carver is just a whiny jealous younger brother that is tired of being shown up by his older sibling.

The arguments make me more interesting than Bethany. Bethany has nothing bad to say about anything or anyone. Carver and Hawke actually butt heads but still care for each other. That's a more interesting relationship (although Bethany's far more likable).

There's also the fact that the two siblings can come to blows at the end. You can reject Carver from joining you and then have a really well written and emotional conversation right before it comes to blows.

And you get one nice jab in there about "isn't this what you always wanted?" Or something similar. It's well done.

Carver's more interesting and Bethany's far more likable. Both are barely in the game and given the smallest of depth or character development.

[Foolsfolly]

I also wish we could have Carver even if Hawke is a warrior. I'd so love to have the Brothers Hawke tearing up Lowtown with their two-handed swords.

...

...but he'd still whine about it.

[Teddie Sage]

*sneaks in*

Did you know that when you combine both Bethany and Carver's names, you'll find the word Chantry in it?

*leaves before he gets spanked*