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[sonoko]

Foolsfolly wrote...

I also wish we could have Carver even if Hawke is a warrior. I'd so love to have the Brothers Hawke tearing up Lowtown with their two-handed swords.

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...but he'd still whine about it.

I don't think he would whine if he had a warrior brother/sister. If Carver wasn't the only non-mage child in the family he would be an entirely different person: less whiny but perhaps less interesting.

[Icy Magebane]

Strange question for me to answer... I vastly prefer Carver's character, but I won't give up playing as a Warrior just so that he can survive. If your class doesn't matter to you, go with Carver I'd say. Bethany is fine, but a bit bland...

[Ayachi]

In my first playthrough as a Mage I was really sad for having to have Carver, because everyone said he was pretty bad. Though after some time I realized how much fun it was to have him around, the mopey little ****** broher. His character has flaws, which makes him so much more interesting. Also, you can draw parallels to your mother and Gamlen (their behaviour is so similar!) which is pretty neat.

Well, in my second walkthrough as a Warrior lil' Bro died and Bethany tagged along. Yeah, she's sweet, pretty to look at and has some funny dialogue. But I didn't feel as attached to her as to Carver, even with all his animosity towards Hawke.

[Rifneno]

I love that despite all the complaints about all the mages we get being insane, we **** about the one awesome mage being "boring" because she's not a malevolent parasite like her brother. Who, BTW, is completely one dimensional and has no more depth. He's just a giant **** because he's jealous of his far superior siblings (and I don't mean anything to do with magic). That doesn't make him any more interesting than the guy who cut you off in traffic yesterday.

[Foolsfolly]

I love that despite all the complaints about all the mages we get being insane, we **** about the one awesome mage being "boring" because she's not a malevolent parasite like her brother.

Would it have killed BioWare to make Bethany sane, rational, and interesting? Yes, she isn't an abomination or running around blowing up innocent people....but she's also not really worth discussing.

Remember that time she got along with everyone and did nothing remarkable?

[Robhuzz]

Let's see. Bethany is nice, supportive and friendly while Carver is all 'whine whine I don't want to be in my big sister's shadow' throughout most of the game. The only exception to his whining and resentment of Hawke is during the final battle. Also he seemed to try and flirt with Merrill, my LadyHawke didn't like that one bit. Carver isn't a bad character, his nearly fixed rivalry path did bother me however as it looks like Hawke can do nothing right, Carver will complain anyway. Plus, Bethany's dialogue with Isabella is priceless!

Seriously though I'd just choose the class you'd like to play most rather than decide whether you want Carver or Bethany in your party.

[syllogi]

Foolsfolly wrote...

I love that despite all the complaints about all the mages we get being insane, we **** about the one awesome mage being "boring" because she's not a malevolent parasite like her brother.

Would it have killed BioWare to make Bethany sane, rational, and interesting? Yes, she isn't an abomination or running around blowing up innocent people....but she's also not really worth discussing.

Remember that time she got along with everyone and did nothing remarkable?

Yeah, Bethany is a nice girl, and she deserved to stay at home with Leandra and be safe and happy.  I don't consider that whining, just stating a fact about a character.

Carver is not a malevolent parasite.  He's a flawed but interesting person, who redeems himself pretty well at the end if you make the least bit of effort to get to know him.  

Having Carver on your side at the end makes me cheer, because he has gone through growth and development, and his character arc has brought him closer to Hawke.  Having Bethany on Hawke's side at the end is nice, but I didn't feel special, the way I did when I won my brother's respect and trust.

[themonty72]

Bethany staying home with mother no way i was doing that.Carver is a male saw its understandable for him to stay home with mother and play man.

[Icy Magebane]

TeenZombie wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

I love that despite all the complaints about all the mages we get being insane, we **** about the one awesome mage being "boring" because she's not a malevolent parasite like her brother.

Would it have killed BioWare to make Bethany sane, rational, and interesting? Yes, she isn't an abomination or running around blowing up innocent people....but she's also not really worth discussing.

Remember that time she got along with everyone and did nothing remarkable?

Yeah, Bethany is a nice girl, and she deserved to stay at home with Leandra and be safe and happy.  I don't consider that whining, just stating a fact about a character.

Carver is not a malevolent parasite.  He's a flawed but interesting person, who redeems himself pretty well at the end if you make the least bit of effort to get to know him.  

Having Carver on your side at the end makes me cheer, because he has gone through growth and development, and his character arc has brought him closer to Hawke.  Having Bethany on Hawke's side at the end is nice, but I didn't feel special, the way I did when I won my brother's respect and trust.

That's exactly how I felt my first time through this game... it was tough to get along with Carver 90% of the time, but rewarding to come to an understanding at the end.  I have no idea why I never noticed this, as he said it the whole game, but when you're fighting side-by-side in Act 3, "That's how we did it back in Ferelden!" just sounded so sweet.:happy:

[Rifneno]

I suppose that's the difference. I don't want to earn Carver's respect. He disgusts me. I'd sooner be vying for a business partnership with Saemon Havarian.

[Fidget6]

That completely depends on your opinion and how you play the game. They both affect the story in their own little ways and in my opinion both can have an equal role emotionally. For either character though, there are several different outcomes that can happen to them depending on how you play. If you want a sibling that you have been close to for a long time and have that strong "sibling bond" from the beginning go with Bethany. If you want a sibling who has always felt was in your shadow and you have that sibling rivalry and will have to earn their loyalty, go with Carver. But as I said both are great characters that add their own parts to the story.

Modifié par Fidget6, 01 juillet 2011 - 10:12 .

[dragonflight288]

I like them both. Bethany, if you are reading between the lines, actually has a pretty vicious streak. Not spoiling, but she almost (almost) demands her/Carver's companion quest whereas Carver is being dragged into it. She also plays the apostate-in-hiding character well, trying to stay low-key which makes her seem less developed than Carver, when all she's doing is trying to lay low.

Carver has a more personal relationship with Hawke because of his perceived sibling rivalry. He antagonizes and offends on many occasions, but he always puts himself in harms way before allowing his brother/sister to be in it. Not being a mage and an inferiority complex, he feels like he has more to prove than Bethany would and is far more assertive.

[Foolsfolly]

He antagonizes and offends on many occasions, but he always puts himself in harms way before allowing his brother/sister to be in it.

There's a moment in Act 1 after Fenris's recruitment mission where Fenris says his spiel about working with another Mage. Carver is Johnny on the spot for defending Hawke. I have no doubt that Carver would have fought, and frankly lost against, Fenris right there if Fenris twitched.

For all his whining and arguments and insecurity, Carver loves Hawke. It's apparent many times throughout the only damn act that we have siblings.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Personally I like to have Bethany around, for the simple reason that one of the roles she can take in the story actually feels like it's empty otherwise.

[Elessara]

First time I played the game I was a rogue and had Bethany and I loved her.

Second time I played, I was a mage and I had Carver and I hated him ... until the end of the game. And then at the end when he came through and really showed that had grown as a person I was like dang. That was worth putting up with him the first Act of the game.

[Porenferser]

Both are not that good.
Though Carver clearly has more personality, Bethany is pretty much one-dimensional.

[Vinix Tea]

Neither of them intrigue me much, and something about both of them annoy me endlessly in one way or another; Carver having that giant stick up his rear, Bethany just being a predictable character. But if given the choice, I would always chose Carver. His character is very well thought out [IMO]. And while he may feel like a nuisance character who just complains, his relationship with Hawke is much more intense, and has a better impact. It's clear that almost no matter what, Hawke and Bethany always seem to get along fairly well with each other, but Hawke and Carver do not, and yet you still end up saving his life from Grace, and other blood mages in Act 3. That, and upon siding with the mages, he eventually helps you out in fighting Meredith, because despite whatever feelings he has toward you, you are still his family, and it is still his priority to stand by you. I wouldn't say he's necessarily a likable character, nor is he very bearable to listen to for any given amount of time, but his character just feels more emotionally connected to Hawke than Bethany [negative emotion, but emotion nonetheless.]. Both of them are still pretty one-dimensional though, IMO. Carver is always sad, and constantly complains about "living in your shadow" while he continues to do nothing about it, not even upon becoming a templar apparently. And Bethany is, as Varric nicknamed her, Ms. Sunshine. Everything is okay, and when she was taken to the circle, it was more of an "Aw man, there goes my strongest mage" moment instead of a "Don't take my VG sis away from me you jerks!" moment. Neither of them really grew on me, and I'd rather have Bethany in a party simply because she's easier to listen to, but as an actual supporting character, Carver takes the cake.

[Blessed Silence]

Prince_12 wrote...

So I recently bought DA2, and was wondering should I let Bethany or Carvr survive?

It doesn't matter if I'm a mage or a rogue, I'm more intend on choosing whom I should have as a squad member. I'm not asking who is a better squad mate, but I'm asking whom of them has a more emotional/stronger impact on the story line?

I also ask that you avoid spoilers. I know nothing of this games story, nothing what's gonna happen or why Hawke is in Kirkwall and I intend keeping it so. So if you could tell me which one you prefer most with as minor spoiler as possible, than I would be very grateful.

LOL you kinda put this in the Spoilers forum ...

But in all honesty ... meh.  Didn't use them much.  Used Carver a bit more than Bethany but overall, not much of an impact IMO.

[KotorEffect3]

Circle Bethany is a huge factor for my non-mage hawkes in determining where they stand by the time act 3 rolls around and it is time to pick between the mages and templars. I support the mages to protect her.

[magelet]

Carver is kind of an ****.
I liked Bethany a lot more. She at least was...nice.

[DRTJR]

Carver Belongs in the Wardens, Bethany belongs in the circle. I like carver more he has three dimensions.

[DPSSOC]

I dunno I think Carver would make a better Templar. His history with mages (sister, father, and perhaps Hawke) gives him a better understanding not only of what they might be going through but also what they're capable of. He'd also be better able to spot the behaviour of a hiding apostate (potentially). Admittedly this all banks on Carver having insight he doesn't actually demonstrate. We know he's grown up with mages but he doesn't seem to understand them any better than your average lay man. Still it's possible something stuck.

[DRTJR]

Carver wanted to be somthing more than his Older Mage sibling and his Twin Mage sister. the Templars while they rule over mages their not as important or as infuential as a Grey Warden. Plus Carver gets used to being a Grey Warden, He's resentfull of his choice of Joining the Templars.

[Marduksdragon]

Carver all the way, but I also prefer him and Bethany as Wardens. I like Carver's acerbic nature (for that matter, I like Uncle Gamlen).

[Ryzaki]

Carver's BACK OFF to Fenris won him a place in my heart. Bethany's...just there. Wallpaper. Not even interesting wallpaper.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 juillet 2011 - 03:23 .