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[Rovay]

leggywillow wrote...

I tell you, I tried my hardest to tell her that she was ruining her own continuity and that she was an obvious example of poor writing.  She went and retconned her entire high school experience.  Such a shame.

Pure win.

[Errol Dnamyx]

I like how you all replied as if LeYawnx wasn't just a retard.

[King Zeel]

How did I miss this topic? Agree wholeheartedly.


fangirls = cancer of any good game.

[Eternal Dust]

This topic makes me want to

[mellifera]

King Zeel wrote...

How did I miss this topic? Agree wholeheartedly.


fangirls = cancer of any good game.

How fascinating. Tell me more.

[Raiil]

Don't mind Zeel. He gets cranky if someone forgets to put him down for a nap.

[Lord Zeuss]

I've heard no one who uses the argument that no one has been "established" to be heterosexual
offer an example of what they would consider sufficient establishment. Until I hear one, the "gay until proven straight" argument allows for no one to be heterosexual, not even someone who lives their entire life having never had sex with a person of the same gender, because they must have simply repressed a bisexuality that is evident by the fact that it was never refuted, which cannot be done.

I hold nothing against people who want same-sex relationships and even romances. I don't share their viewpoint, but they have every right to hold it just I have every right to hold mine. What I do take exception to is when this understandable desire becomes a rallying call to seize upon characters and have them redefined to suit whims. I wouldn't call for Liara to suddenly become a male-Shepard-only romance, because she has been clearly set as a character that marks no distinction between Shepard's gender.

I am not talking about "player choice" or "content". If Liara were to become male-Shepard-only, it would clash with her pre-defined character, regardless of the player-choice and content aspects of it. And yes, this goes both ways. Making a non-bisexual character suddenly bi is a redefinition of that character which does not fit with the prior precedent.

If Garrus were gay, he wouldn't have been a female-Shepard-only romance. That he doesn't ever explicitly in no uncertain terms spell out "I Do Not Want To Have Sex With A Male Shepard" is irrelevant, and even that would probably not be enough "establishment" of his sexuality for people anyway. Either the fact that non-bisexual characters were not bisexual is establishment enough of their sexualities, or nothing in this world can possibly be.

Introduce new love interests for same-sex romance.

Modifié par Lord Zeuss, 25 juin 2011 - 07:15 .

[VegasVance]

This topic wants me to....
Point out everybody is equal and that Bioware will disregard logic, plot, and canon of characters as it damn well pleases.

G'night folks
/thread.

[hoorayforicecream]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

I've heard no one who uses the argument that no one has been "established" to be heterosexual
offer an example of what they would consider sufficient establishment. Until I hear one, the "gay until proven straight" argument allows for no one to be heterosexual, not even someone who lives their entire life having never had sex with a person of the same gender, because they must have simply repressed a bisexuality that is evident by the fact that it was never refuted, which cannot be done.

I hold nothing against people who want same-sex relationships and even romances. I don't share their viewpoint, but they have every right to hold it just I have every right to hold mine. What I do take exception to is when this understandable desire becomes a rallying call to seize upon characters and have them redefined to suit whims. I wouldn't call for Liara to suddenly become a male-Shepard-only romance, because she has been clearly set as a character that marks no distinction between Shepard's gender.

I am not talking about "player choice" or "content". If Liara were to become male-Shepard-only, it would clash with her pre-defined character, regardless if the player-choice and content aspects of it. And yes, this goes both ways. Making a non-bisexual character suddenly bi is a redefinition of that character which does not fit with the prior precedent.

If Garrus were gay, he wouldn't be a female-Shepard-only romance. That he doesn't ever explicitly in no uncertain terms spell out "I Do Not Want To Have Sex With A Male Shepard" is irrelevant, and even that would probably not be enough "establishment" of his sexuality for people anyway. Either the fact that non-bisexual characters were not bisexual is establishment enough of their sexualities, or nothing in this world can possibly be.

Introduce new love interests for same-sex romance.

Were you also against the Garrus and Tali romance in ME2?

[AngelicMachinery]

LeVaughnX wrote...

VirtualStranger wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

And to the few calling me homophobic, my best friend for probably three years had been gay. My gaydar went off often but we were good friends up until he started being a douche to everyone just to get his way hah.

As I've said though; I'm all for new characters --- NEW CHARACTERS --- being introduced for the gay/bi people, thats PERFECTLY FINE! I think thats AWESOME - EQUALITY - AWESOME!!

But for the returning characters to BECOME GAY suddenly is ****ing stupid.


--- Some of you flamers need to learn to read instead of hearing that little voice in your head that says ""OMG HOMOPHOBNEBEEEE"".

No, you are a homophobe because you just went on a page-long tirade on how the characters couldn't be gay because of your ignorant stereotypical assumptions of what a gay person acts like.

No, I'm actually not homophobic; because I don't think you should be afraid of anyone or anything unless you don't understand what you are afraid of. I don't fear gay people; and I don't mind them. Andddd being around a few gay people in my life I know the tells.

Also - don't tell me I'm making assumptions when thats all you're doing buck-o =D!

I wish I knew the tells...  alas my "Gaydar" is broken.  

[King Zeel]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

I've heard no one who uses the argument that no one has been "established" to be heterosexual
offer an example of what they would consider sufficient establishment. Until I hear one, the "gay until proven straight" argument allows for no one to be heterosexual, not even someone who lives their entire life having never had sex with a person of the same gender, because they must have simply repressed a bisexuality that is evident by the fact that it was never refuted, which cannot be done.

I hold nothing against people who want same-sex relationships and even romances. I don't share their viewpoint, but they have every right to hold it just I have every right to hold mine. What I do take exception to is when this understandable desire becomes a rallying call to seize upon characters and have them redefined to suit whims. I wouldn't call for Liara to suddenly become a male-Shepard-only romance, because she has been clearly set as a character that marks no distinction between Shepard's gender.

I am not talking about "player choice" or "content". If Liara were to become male-Shepard-only, it would clash with her pre-defined character, regardless if the player-choice and content aspects of it. And yes, this goes both ways. Making a non-bisexual character suddenly bi is a redefinition of that character which does not fit with the prior precedent.

If Garrus were gay, he wouldn't be a female-Shepard-only romance. That he doesn't ever explicitly in no uncertain terms spell out "I Do Not Want To Have Sex With A Male Shepard" is irrelevant, and even that would probably not be enough "establishment" of his sexuality for people anyway. Either the fact that non-bisexual characters were not bisexual is establishment enough of their sexualities, or nothing in this world can possibly be.

Introduce new love interests for same-sex romance.

Were you also against the Garrus and Tali romance in ME2?

I was. Makes no sense.

[Errol Dnamyx]

King Zeel wrote...

bad poasters = cancer of any good forum.

Fixed your poast, dudebra.

Also, I don't see the problem with ******/bi/whatever romances. I never had problems rejecting advances of characters, who my Shepshep wasn't interested in. Saying "No" to Tali or Jack is no different than saying "No" to Kaidan/Jacob/XXX, in my opinion.

Modifié par Errol Dnamyx, 25 juin 2011 - 07:19 .

[VegasVance]

King Zeel wrote...

I was. Makes no sense.

Bioware's thought process on that decision 
Money>logic. 

Sense doesn't need to be made when there is money to be!

Modifié par VegasVance, 25 juin 2011 - 07:20 .

[Lord Zeuss]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Lord Zeuss wrote...

I've heard no one who uses the argument that no one has been "established" to be heterosexual
offer an example of what they would consider sufficient establishment. Until I hear one, the "gay until proven straight" argument allows for no one to be heterosexual, not even someone who lives their entire life having never had sex with a person of the same gender, because they must have simply repressed a bisexuality that is evident by the fact that it was never refuted, which cannot be done.

I hold nothing against people who want same-sex relationships and even romances. I don't share their viewpoint, but they have every right to hold it just I have every right to hold mine. What I do take exception to is when this understandable desire becomes a rallying call to seize upon characters and have them redefined to suit whims. I wouldn't call for Liara to suddenly become a male-Shepard-only romance, because she has been clearly set as a character that marks no distinction between Shepard's gender.

I am not talking about "player choice" or "content". If Liara were to become male-Shepard-only, it would clash with her pre-defined character, regardless if the player-choice and content aspects of it. And yes, this goes both ways. Making a non-bisexual character suddenly bi is a redefinition of that character which does not fit with the prior precedent.

If Garrus were gay, he wouldn't have been a female-Shepard-only romance. That he doesn't ever explicitly in no uncertain terms spell out "I Do Not Want To Have Sex With A Male Shepard" is irrelevant, and even that would probably not be enough "establishment" of his sexuality for people anyway. Either the fact that non-bisexual characters were not bisexual is establishment enough of their sexualities, or nothing in this world can possibly be.

Introduce new love interests for same-sex romance.

Were you also against the Garrus and Tali romance in ME2?

Yes.

[The dead fish]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

I love when people complain about a thread they don't even have to look at or post in.

We know who these people are and that their view is biased.

Their complaints have no legitimacy, especially when in their side, they multiply their own topics for advertising their desires. s/s romance

I think it would be more interesting for everyone here to focus on arguments rather than troll.

[hoorayforicecream]

Lord Zeuss wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Were you also against the Garrus and Tali romance in ME2?

Yes.

Good to know you're consistent. I hope you don't feel too badly if you're disappointed, but you should be used to it by now.

[leggywillow]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

I tell you, I tried my hardest to tell her that she was ruining her own continuity and that she was an obvious example of poor writing.  She went and retconned her entire high school experience.  Such a shame.

Yeah, I'm just going to quote everything you say ever because your quotes are beautiful.

Yaaaay!  THIS REQUIRES CELEBRATION!  Bring out the geese!

[King Zeel]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

King Zeel wrote...

bad poasters = cancer of any good forum.

Fixed your poast, dudebra.

Also, I don't see the problem with ******/bi/whatever romances. I never had problems rejecting advances of characters, who my Shepshep wasn't interested in. Saying "No" to Tali or Jack is no different than saying "No" to Kaidan/Jacob/XXX, in my opinion.

Ugh. don't you have an anime convention to be attending or something. I'm sure there are many silly little trinkets to waste your money on.

I have a problem with ******/bi/whatever relationships when they ruin the continuinty. I don't understand these girls, there are several games out there that you can yaoi the hell' up.

[mya11]

If kaidan is bi, I hope for my women shepard, his personality don't change !

I don't want a Anders dragon age 2 is

It's more realistic create a new character gay f/m and bi f/m

Modifié par mya11, 25 juin 2011 - 07:29 .

[VegasVance]

mya11 wrote...

If kaidan is bi, I hope for my women shepard, his personality don't change !

I'm sorry Comander FemShep.  I knew the risks....but the prizzze...I just couldn't resist another good solider who occasionally speaks out, but still follows orders down to the T.