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[Abispa]

@ InviolateNK -- I think it's entirely appropriate for those who don't like characters "reconned" to complain about a new BI option in these forums. They're fans of the ME series and spend their money on the franchise. I would NEVER say critics should shut up.

I think that those who support s/s options should be able to challenge them, but do so by explaining WHY they think the critics are wrong and not just accuse someone of homophobia.

[mya11]

I am agree and ok for more relation ship for new romance bi or gay but I don't want
romance for character mass effect 1 and 2 are alle bi <_<

[Ianamus]

jwalker wrote...

Ugh... It's almost amusing how this "i'm open to new characters for s/s" is repeatedly thrown around here. I don't know if it's supposed to be some sort of "prove" that they're not ... err.... (can't say it, dammit) or if it's supposed to be some grand gesture of generosity, throwing some scraps...
I think it's garbage either way. People don't want to romance new unknown characters. People want to romance their prefered characters from both games.

We only knew Ashley, Kaidan and Liara for one game, were these romances shallow?
We only knew Alistair, Morrigan, Leliana and Zevran for one game, did these lack depth and emotional attatchment?
Thane, Jack and Miranda were added in ME2, were these "scraps" for people who hadn't played ME1?

No, they were very popular an in-depth romances. Just because they're new dosen't mean that new charcters couldn't end up being the most emotionally engaging and enjoyable romances of the games so far.

Modifié par EJ107, 25 juin 2011 - 08:18 .

[Abispa]

Some romances take YEARS to develop IRL, so having a s/s relationship in ME3 with previous squad members may actually have the unintended consequence of making them the most believable in the series.

I am not saying EVERYONE should be bisexual (though I won't complain if they are), but the only characters I personally would take issue with are the (albeit small) handful of characters who have stated they aren't interested in sex with Shepard.

[Eromenos]

LeVaughnX wrote...

I've seen quite a few threads/topics full of people basically begging, crying, whining, and bothering everyone and everything just to be able to have a sexual relationship with the same sex in Mass Effect 3. Now in Dragon Age 2 this didn't work very well; as I played my Straight Male apparently all of the in-game Male Squadies thought I was gay just because I tried to be "friendly" with everyone. So I already didn't like the idea though I do believe in equality.

Now another problem I saw is that Bioware may be "changing" some of the original characters from Straight to Gay or Bisexual - which makes very little sense for some players. Its unlikely that the programmers are smart enough to design "personality" based on "gameplay choices" - so its a pretty big likely hood that EVERYONE regardless of your previous playthroughs will have many of the returning characters become Bisexual just for the many new trend followers who've been harrasing people for it all along.

Usually I'd be fine with this kind of thing though; I'm not against same sex relationships but I'm against ****ing with the lore for a series of games. I recently heard that Kaidan may become bisexual all of a sudden; and that just doesn't make sense. It's like if Jack randomly became bisexual yet shes claimed shes not. Sure you can argue that ""they never stated their sexuality"" but you figure they would have made some form of sign or acted strangely orrrr generally "sounded" bisexual. Most of them have not - which is why I "FULLY ACCEPT NEW CHARACTERS TO BE BISEUXAL" but I "FULLY REJECT RE-OCCURING CHARACTERS BECOMING BISEXUAL".

If Bioware made a few new characters who are bisexual thats fine, but if they change the original characters (Garrus/Wrex/Tali/Ashley/Kaidan/Zaeed etc) and turn some bisexual I'll probably not buy Mass Effect 3 for the soul fact that they can't just stick with the lore and they are trying to please some of the more upset people playing the games.

I understand I'm going to get tons of hate and people will go ""LUL UR A FLAEMR"" or ""HUMOFUBE"" and what not, but its not the case. I'm simply baffled as to why Bioware is "selling out" to the gamers who just seem to be more and more picky about things. I was fine with ME1, and fine with ME2 - they don't need to keep changing ****!!!! Leave it alone! If the picky gamers don't like not being a Male Shepard and not having the option to screw Thane in the ass or something who cares! Hes straight! Get over it!

Pity that. Pity that. Why do you feel maintaining biphobia is some mandatory cause in your life?

The, ah, part where you complain about our mutual old friends in ME1 "turning bi" makes little sense to me. They already were. Try as I might, I just cannot recall them making any noise about shunning S/S at all, much less as loudly as you do.

Do tell, at what point did they issue these "one-way only" disclaimers?

[VirtualStranger]

InviolateNK wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

InviolateNK wrote...

How lovely, they just need to start a thread like this once in a while to say how they don't support s/s, m/m, retcons etc. Homophobia just can't stay in the closet where it belongs, can it?

And you just can't ignore a thread you don't like or agree with, can you? But you just HAVE to post anyway, right.

Grow up. Not everyone who disagrees is homophobic. Stop using that as a counter argument.

Since it's there, I sure will say something, why not.  Threads like this express worries about what won't be in your playthroughs unless you do want it and trigger it thru dialogue choices. However, such threads keep appearing and the reason is nothing less than homophobia.


This seriously needs to be locked.

It should have been locked the moment it was created. It's a redundant thread. Everything here could have been posted in the main s/s thread instead.

[jlb524]

mrsph wrote...

real edit: Calling everyone that disagrees with you a homophobe is also pretty lame, since while some people that don't want S/S content in the game are homophobes afraid of the gay ruining their games, there are some people with legitimate concerns that Bioware is going to take the cheap way out and just switch out some pronouns and call it a day.

I don't think people are being called the dreaded 'h' word simply for not wanting gay romances done in a specific way.  I think that was directed at those stereotyping LGBT people.

Also, I think the issue is more than just "not wanting pronouns switched out"...most here against this don't want past characters 'retconned' period, regardles if it's done well.  People who want that aren't necessarily homophobic, but their arguments against it don't have much of a basis.

[DoNotIngest]

I read two pages into this, and between OP's obnoxious anti-gayness & character hate, and many obnoxious pro-gay supporters, I'm fairly disturbed...


People trying to get in the same sex's pants in the past two games have been denied... Hell, make half of ME3's squad new recruits that are bi/whatever, just please no retcon gay-ifying (Note; Liara & Samara can be considered "bi" (not the right term, not important), but other than that, the only real possibility to me (and many others) was Kaidan, so if you could get really close and drop some flirty comments with him, I don't think anyone would be upset if he turned out to swing both ways).


Now, for a few obnoxious pro-gay supporters to call me a homophobe, and some anti-gay supporters to call me a fruitcake...

Modifié par DoNotIngest, 25 juin 2011 - 08:29 .

[VirtualStranger]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

InviolateNK wrote...

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

InviolateNK wrote...

How lovely, they just need to start a thread like this once in a while to say how they don't support s/s, m/m, retcons etc. Homophobia just can't stay in the closet where it belongs, can it?

And you just can't ignore a thread you don't like or agree with, can you? But you just HAVE to post anyway, right.

Grow up. Not everyone who disagrees is homophobic. Stop using that as a counter argument.

Since it's there, I sure will say something, why not.  Threads like this express worries about what won't be in your playthroughs unless you do want it and trigger it thru dialogue choices. However, such threads keep appearing and the reason is nothing less than homophobia.


This seriously needs to be locked.

If you want the thread to be locked, why post in it, or look at it for that matter? Because you can? You are just to repress other people's opinion because it's not your own.

Once again, not everyone who disagrees is homophobic.

That's like saying Google is homophobic because they don't have a gay pride doodle.

It's more like if Google refused to return the results of searches that have any reference to homosexuality.

[DialupToaster]

VirtualStranger wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

Uhh didn't Jack participate in a 3 way relationship with a man and a woman... isn't that like the worse character to use as an example for retcon... o.O

I believe Jack did state that she didn't like the whole "girl girl" thing.

Also - to the people who try to justify this whole "s/s" thing by saying ""WELLLLLLL MY SHEPARD NEVER HAD A ROMANCEEE...ANNND MAYBE THEY ARE INTERESTEDDD...MAAAYBE NOT......"" just stop making the faces, stop trying to be cute, stop trying to break the lore that has been established.

Garrus isn't gay.

Thane isn't gay (he has a friggen kid even).

Grunt will not pork a male Shep.

Anderson isn't going to bend you over.

Kaidan shouldn't be gay but lord knows that he acted a little prissy during the Horizon thing in ME2 (then again Ashley acted super butt hurt too).

Tali isn't going to surf the river in the canyon (so to speak).

Liara isn't technically bi-sexual since they aren't male or female so to speak. They can mate/bond with anything, even a jellyfish I'm sure.

Wrex will never - ever - ever be gay.

Jack - possible but doubtful because she doesn't like the girl girl thing as I said.

Miri - who cares about the Cerberus bimbo (no offense I never liked her; she didn't seem like she gave a crap about anything but Cerberus).

I chose the light mechs over Jacob so whatever with that.

Zaeed / Kasumi aren't gay clearly - Zaeed is a mechomaniac or whatever as he probably makes out with Jessie.

Samara = same as Liara except probably a better lover.

Point is; the characters have already been established, they have a backstory, they have lore to them, they should never change for the people saying ""OHHH MY FEM SHEP WANTS MIRI IN MY PANTSL ULULUU"" no...Just no...Leave it alone... Bring in like three new characters or something, but don't screw with the original ones.

Wow... Is it "Tired old stereotype day" already? This is why you are a homophobe.

How about we all stop mashing the homophobe button before the thread is locked?
Or better yet lock the thread so people can stop crying about it.

[Wittand25]

a.) There is already a 100 page long thread dedicated to s/s romances. Why does everyone who does not agree with it feel the urge to start a new one instead of using the existing one ?

b.) I really would love to know why everybody is so concerned that everybody will be bi. That was not even the case in DA2 and won´t likely happen in ME2.

c.) A former LI being now available for a Shepard of the same sex would not be worse than the romances with Tali and Garrus in ME2.

[King Zeel]

Wittand25 wrote...

a.) There is already a 100 page long thread dedicated to s/s romances. Why does everyone who does not agree with it feel the urge to start a new one instead of using the existing one ?

b.) I really would love to know why everybody is so concerned that everybody will be bi. That was not even the case in DA2 and won´t likely happen in ME2.

c.) A former LI being now available for a Shepard of the same sex would not be worse than the romances with Tali and Garrus in ME2.

you guys are just not getting it.

No matter how we explain it we get the same trite response "why do you care, it wont affect you"


That's because it affects OUR canon as well. DUH. the same logic can be used to why do you want your char bisexual it doesn't "affect" you.

I'm honestly getting fed up with this topic but it only comes up so much times because you guys refuse to understand.

[DialupToaster]

jlb524 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...
Anders was optional in DAII but the only way to let him know you werent interested was to be rude. I dont want to be rude to scare off the homosexuals.

Is it okay to be rude to scare off 'the heterosexuals'?

Randomly calling people homophobes is just that.

[Ryzaki]

I guess I should complain about Tali being made an LI then. Since it did affect my game in horrible ways. As did Jack and Miranda (with her touching of my Shepard while he grinned like a moron). Ugh.

[VirtualStranger]

randomchasegurney wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...
Anders was optional in DAII but the only way to let him know you werent interested was to be rude. I dont want to be rude to scare off the homosexuals.

Is it okay to be rude to scare off 'the heterosexuals'?

Randomly calling people homophobes is just that.

Most of the use of the word "homophobe" in this thread so far has been anything but random. It it perfectly acceptable to call someone that when that's exactly what they are.

Modifié par VirtualStranger, 25 juin 2011 - 08:37 .

[jlb524]

randomchasegurney wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...
Anders was optional in DAII but the only way to let him know you werent interested was to be rude. I dont want to be rude to scare off the homosexuals.

Is it okay to be rude to scare off 'the heterosexuals'?

Randomly calling people homophobes is just that.

Ah....what?

[KawaiiKatie]

The Big Bad Wolf wrote...

Not everyone who disagrees is homophobic. Stop using that as a counter argument.

When Isabela was redesigned for Dragon Age 2, a great many people complained about the "retcon" and how, well, unclothed she had become, and David Gaider actually came out to defend her, saying:

David Gaider wrote...

Oh no! A character in a tunic dress! Someone inform the Puritan Police!

The fans quickly backlashed with "Thinking that her outfit is silly =/= Puritan," to which David Gaider responded that every comment he saw regarding Isabela's outfit had some level of a puritanical streak. He said:

David Gaider wrote...

I said that [Puritanism] seems to be the basis for every comment I've seen. You can get yourself up in a huff if it suits you -- I suppose if someone wants to take a "well I just don't like it!" stance without any other basis, they're certainly free to.

I feel that the same theory applies to those who do not want Ash or Kaidan to return as bisexual. I have no seen a single argument against Kaidan/Ash bisexuality that did not have roots in homophobia. If it would make you uncomfortable to have your old companions return and reveal an apparent "change" in sexuality, I suggest that you think very hard about why it makes you uncomfortable.

Of course, if you just want to throw up your hands and claim, "Well, I just don't like it!" then I offer you David Gaider's applause:

David Gaider wrote...

Congratulations on having an opinion?

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 25 juin 2011 - 08:39 .

[Ryzaki]

...I don't think disliking Isabela's outfit because I got unwanted panty shots made me a puritan anymore than not wanting to see the crack of Oghren's ass would. >_< 

"Oh noes I don't want to see someone's ass! I'm a purtian!!!" 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 25 juin 2011 - 08:40 .